So What Happens *If* Obama Wasn't Born In The United States?

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Lifer
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Nothing would happen, because the American People don't want Republicans replacing him.
 

Moonbeam

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Nobody knows where they were actually born. If there's an article in a paper that says you were born in Hawaii and the government of Hawaii says you were born there you were born there for all legal purposes. Obama lived with his mother all his young life and with his grandparents most of it, and they were American citizens. He's an American in being and values. That's good enough for me that I don't give a shit if he was born someplace in an airplane over the pacific or flown to Hawaii from Kenya by his mother to get his citizenship. The only people who would care are assholes.
 

sandorski

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Biden? lol, too late for that. Buy yourself a Prayer Mat, locate the direction of Mecca, and when not Praying, whip out the Little Red Book for Civic guidance.
 

blackangst1

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Obama could still be considered a natural born citizen because his mother was American. McCain was born in Panama.
Obama's mom is an American :sneaky:

Yes, but his father was a UK citizen. Prior to (I believe 1983) anyone born of at least one UK parent was automatically given dual citizenship, no matter where they were born. thus, Obama would have dual citizenship, thus not eligible for presidency.
 

Newbian

Lifer
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About the same thing that happened when it was discovered that Bush didn't win the first time, absolutely nothing.
 

fskimospy

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Yes, but his father was a UK citizen. Prior to (I believe 1983) anyone born of at least one UK parent was automatically given dual citizenship, no matter where they were born. thus, Obama would have dual citizenship, thus not eligible for presidency.

Incorrect.

Being able to claim dual citizenship is not a disqualifier for the presidency.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, but his father was a UK citizen. Prior to (I believe 1983) anyone born of at least one UK parent was automatically given dual citizenship, no matter where they were born. thus, Obama would have dual citizenship, thus not eligible for presidency.

Anything to maintain denial, apparently, which is the essence of Birtherism.

Righties need something to cling to when there's a Democrat in the Whitehouse, particularly when that's a black, sekrit muslim, fascist, commie, sharia lover who hates the baby jesus and wasn't born here, anyway.

Birthers give Lame-O conspiracy theorists a bad name.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Incorrect.

Being able to claim dual citizenship is not a disqualifier for the presidency.

OK then I guess I misunderstood in that it wasnt given, but rather had to be claimed. I'll read some more :)

to Jhhhhhhn: Shut the fuck up man. you have no idea where I stand on this issue.
 

fskimospy

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OK then I guess I misunderstood in that it wasnt given, but rather had to be claimed. I'll read some more :)

to Jhhhhhhn: Shut the fuck up man. you have no idea where I stand on this issue.

Yeah, the only requirement is that you were born in the US, the citizenship of your parents is actually irrelevant.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Jhhnn

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to Jhhhhhhn: Shut the fuck up man. you have no idea where I stand on this issue.

I understand that you grant credibility to Birther bullshit. It's all been asked and answered, about a million times, but it'll never be good enough for people who refuse to face the reality of a black democrat with a funny name being the Prez.

Get over it. The fact that he's bent over backward and betrayed his base on occasion to satisfy the ideological whims of Righties should make it a little easier to swallow.
 

Doppel

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Geeze. I wish The US would just annex Kenya, declare it a state, then change the laws so that anywhere that is a state ever grants full citizenship to all people even if they were born there before it was a state. Then at least this can be put to rest.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I understand that you grant credibility to Birther bullshit. It's all been asked and answered, about a million times, but it'll never be good enough for people who refuse to face the reality of a black democrat with a funny name being the Prez.

Get over it. The fact that he's bent over backward and betrayed his base on occasion to satisfy the ideological whims of Righties should make it a little easier to swallow.

I do? Thats news to me. Asking questions != grant credibility. Frankly, Ive always thought the main points of the birther movement have been bullshit. Find me one thread where Ive given the movement "credibility" and have denied facts and I got a $1000 paypal with your name on it.

By the way have you stopped raping your neighbor?
 
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blackangst1

Lifer
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Geeze. I wish The US would just annex Kenya, declare it a state, then change the laws so that anywhere that is a state ever grants full citizenship to all people even if they were born there before it was a state. Then at least this can be put to rest.

It pretty much is put to rest for those that look.
 

Jhhnn

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I do? Thats news to me. Asking questions != grant credibility. Frankly, Ive always thought the main points of the birther movement have been bullshit. Find me one thread where Ive given the movement "credibility" and have denied facts and I got a $1000 paypal with your name on it.

By the way have you stopped raping your neighbor?

Heh. Why that's all Patranus was doing when he trolled the forum with this thread- just asking an innocent little question, right? And your question was just more of the same, I'm sure.

It pretty much is put to rest for those that look.

Pretty much? Kinda like an atomic bomb "pretty much" wiped out Hiroshima? Like it's "pretty much" a sure thing that the sun will come up in the morning?

Hell, you just granted Birthers more credibility than they deserve, affirming the notion that they "might" be right.

Where's my $1000?
 

OutHouse

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"The former unincorporated territory of the Panama Canal Zone and its related military facilities were not regarded as United States territory at the time -Wikipedia "

"Section 201(g) NA and section 301(g) INA (8 U.S.C. 1401(g)) (formerly
section 301(a)(7) INA) both specify that naturalization is "the conferring of
nationality of a state upon a person after birth." Clearly, then, Americans
who acquired their citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens are not
considered naturalized citizens under either act."

This whole thing is ridiculous. If you're born to an American parent abroad you are American by birth. Think of it this way, would it really be fair to say that some kid born on a foreign military base to Americans shouldn't be allowed to become president? Of course not.

try reading the law on this instead of snipped wiki blogs.
 

werepossum

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Heh. Why that's all Patranus was doing when he trolled the forum with this thread- just asking an innocent little question, right? And your question was just more of the same, I'm sure.



Pretty much? Kinda like an atomic bomb "pretty much" wiped out Hiroshima? Like it's "pretty much" a sure thing that the sun will come up in the morning?

Hell, you just granted Birthers more credibility than they deserve, affirming the notion that they "might" be right.

Where's my $1000?
Dude, if you can't accept anything less than 100% party line compliance then you'll find the world a pretty harsh place. "It pretty much is put to rest for those who look" clearly means the issue is settled already, nothing else required. I won't ask you to not be a partisan hack, but at least don't be a total dick* about it.

*We will also accept total idiot.
 

zsdersw

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It will be like trying to divide by zero on the giant calculator that is America.
 

Axon

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You truly believe Congress does not inspect this before approval of a President? If there was legitimate evidence against Haiwaii's statement confirming his birth there, Obama's political opponents would have already moved.

Anyway, I realize the sobering reality of that is way less fun then speculating on the clusterf**k that would ensue, so, carry on. :)
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Heh. Why that's all Patranus was doing when he trolled the forum with this thread- just asking an innocent little question, right? And your question was just more of the same, I'm sure.



Pretty much? Kinda like an atomic bomb "pretty much" wiped out Hiroshima? Like it's "pretty much" a sure thing that the sun will come up in the morning?

Hell, you just granted Birthers more credibility than they deserve, affirming the notion that they "might" be right.

Where's my $1000?

Again, I ask, is asking a question = giving creditibility? Or would it be better to just blindly accept those that say it is so (like you appear to do)? Fuck man in this same thread I asked and answered my own question, and didnt beat around the bush in doing so. I am more than willing to admit when I may be wrong, and have done so. Clearly most people, to those who have at least average comprehension, understand this.

If you dont have the intelligence to understand my "pretty much" comment, you really are nothing but a stupid, ignorant, partisan hack who clearly dismisses anything the opposing side might have to say. Youre no better than a redneck in that regard. And no better than some birthers.

Touche ya partisan fuck. 404 credibility not found.
 

RedChief

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Incorrect.

Being able to claim dual citizenship is not a disqualifier for the presidency.

True.

But there are still two questions about Obama's duel citizenship. When he was a child, he went to a state run school in Indonesia. Those schools are for Indonesian citizens only and Indonesia didn't recognize dual citizenship. What was his citizenship at this time? Additionally, he traveled to Pakistan back in the early '80s yet passport records for this are being kept from public view. Did he travel on a American passport or a foreign passport?
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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True.

But there are still two questions about Obama's duel citizenship. When he was a child, he went to a state run school in Indonesia. Those schools are for Indonesian citizens only and Indonesia didn't recognize dual citizenship. What was his citizenship at this time? Additionally, he traveled to Pakistan back in the early '80s yet passport records for this are being kept from public view. Did he travel on a American passport or a foreign passport?

Not really. First, assuming Obama's step father DID adopt him in order to attend Indo school (theres no evidence one way or another), it's irrelevant to his US citizenship. True, Indo does not recognize dual citizenship, but the US does. So even if Indo recognized him as soley an Indo citizen, he could have still had dual citizenship under US law, which is all that matters. Second, Indo law also has a requirement for citizens living out of country for more than 5 years that they declare their intentions or lose their citizenship. Obama and/or his parents never declared him after his mother took him out of the country, so whatever citizenship he MAY have had was forfeited. Its a similar situation as his UK dual citizenship at birth. In the end, because he was always a US citizen despite his apparent double/dual citizenship, that in and of itself doesnt disqualify him from presidency.
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
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Mr Obama's mother was a citizen of the US which makes him an US citizen no matter where he was born. Funny how this question was not brought about Mr McCain who was not born in the US.