So we have gotten rid of Saddam. Was what you got worth it?

[Hayabusa Rider]

Saddam is gone. No one really misses him. Cruel to his people, no doubt, and deserved a bullet.

So let's see.

The Iraqis, got rid of him which the majority probably wanted. They now have bombings and freedom fighters/terrorists, call them what you will. That they didn't ask for. They got killed by us too. I don't think many stood willing at the front of the line when those tickets were handed out.

You in America got rid of an irritant. No tangible threat to anyone here. But he was cocky.

You get an one or more Islamic states, and terrorist activity where there was none, or if you want to quibble extremely little. We have alienated our former allies, we are increasingly isolated. That may or not matter. We get a constant supply of body bags. That too may or may not matter.



So was it worth it?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Saddam is gone. No one really misses him. Cruel to his people, no doubt, and deserved a bullet.

So let's see.

The Iraqis, got rid of him which the majority probably wanted. They now have bombings and freedom fighters/terrorists, call them what you will. That they didn't ask for. They got killed by us too. I don't think many stood willing at the front of the line when those tickets were handed out.

You in America got rid of an irritant. No tangible threat to anyone here. But he was cocky.

You get an one or more Islamic states, and terrorist activity where there was none, or if you want to quibble extremely little. We have alienated our former allies, we are increasingly isolated. That may or not matter. We get a constant supply of body bags. That too may or may not matter.



So was it worth it?

LOL, even Pat Robertson doesn't think it was worth it.

 

[K1052]

This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

 

[Train]

It will be years, if not decades, before the full outcome of this war can be analyzed.

Don't try to rewrite history in your favor before it happens

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

Looking back at our history with wars it wasn't the first and won't be the last (heck this isn't even a major one in that regard).

However, that does not mean that something beneficial can't be attained from it. Packing up and going home at this point would be the wost thing we could do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Train
It will be years, if not decades, before the full outcome of this war can be analyzed.

Don't try to rewrite history in your favor before it happens

I can't say you won't win the lottery either. This isn't a crap shoot. Maybe the Islamicists will get your "religion" but that isn't likely is it? Unless something of the sort happens, you are going to get just what I said. Personally I think when Iraq fragments, it will become more stable, but stable internally does not mean more friendly. When that happens, people there will remember. What matters most is how THEY see what they gained outweighs what they lost. In any case, an Islamic region is more likely to turn a blind eye on terrorists than a strongly secular and totalitarian govt.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

Looking back at our history with wars it wasn't the first and won't be the last (heck this isn't even a major one in that regard).

However, that does not mean that something beneficial can't be attained from it. Packing up and going home at this point would be the wost thing we could do.

Leaving opens up a can of worms. Staying gives us a diffrent can of worms. Either makes a nasty stew.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

BINGO!!!

QFT!!!

:beer:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

Looking back at our history with wars it wasn't the first and won't be the last (heck this isn't even a major one in that regard).

However, that does not mean that something beneficial can't be attained from it. Packing up and going home at this point would be the wost thing we could do.

That will make all the unnecessary dead feel much better. Just another f@ck up in a long line of f@ck ups. What can you say. We got all these guns......gotta use um for something.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

Looking back at our history with wars it wasn't the first and won't be the last (heck this isn't even a major one in that regard).

However, that does not mean that something beneficial can't be attained from it. Packing up and going home at this point would be the wost thing we could do.

Well if you were to read any of my posts regarding this war you'd see that I never endorsed packing up and leaving even though I am highly critical of the Dub and his handlers for getting us into this mess.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

Looking back at our history with wars it wasn't the first and won't be the last (heck this isn't even a major one in that regard).

However, that does not mean that something beneficial can't be attained from it. Packing up and going home at this point would be the wost thing we could do.

That will make all the unnecessary dead feel much better. Just another f@ck up in a long line of f@ck ups. What can you say. We got all these guns......gotta use um for something.

When you come up with a way to effectively change human nature (of everyone) to one that always avoids conflict as a viable path to problem resolution give me a ring, I will be all ears.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: K1052
This is certainly going to go down as the most controversial war in since Vietnam, though the outcome is still unclear.

I'd say it is too early to judge one way or the other yet.

What it is is a war that didn't need to be waged.

Looking back at our history with wars it wasn't the first and won't be the last (heck this isn't even a major one in that regard).

However, that does not mean that something beneficial can't be attained from it. Packing up and going home at this point would be the wost thing we could do.

Well if you were to read any of my posts regarding this war you'd see that I never endorsed packing up and leaving even though I am highly critical of the Dub and his handlers for getting us into this mess.

That certainly seems to place you in the minority of posters here that oppose the war.

I never was a big fan of this idea or Bush himself for that matter.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well if you were to read any of my posts regarding this war you'd see that I never endorsed packing up and leaving even though I am highly critical of the Dub and his handlers for getting us into this mess.

That certainly seems to place you in the minority of posters here that oppose the war.

I never was a big fan of this idea or Bush himself for that matter.

I understand that we've created an atmoshpere in Iraq now that would be perfect for terrorist cells like Al Qaeda if we just left just like what happened in Afghanistan when the old Soviet Union left that country.

 

[CaptnKirk]

This was not a 'War With Iraq' . . .

It is a 'War Agaist Iraq' . . .

A 'War With' implies that there was in fact an enemy agressor intent on moving onto your country and enforcing it's control and authority on that country.
It also implies that that country stood and fought to resist that invasion.

It only rises to that level if the US assumes the role of Invading Agressor, as Russia did with their Solviet Bloc Satrllite countries,
like they did with Afghanistan.

The 'War Agaist' is what is left when it is exposed for the falsely contrived Political grab it was.
We had pounded this place down for over 12 years, and we knew it, the world knew it but the Snake Oil Salemen scared the Rubes.
We tried to kill a toothless dog, but we have ignited a long festering nationalism among historical enemies, and don't know what to do.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Train
It will be years, if not decades, before the full outcome of this war can be analyzed.

Don't try to rewrite history in your favor before it happens

I can't say you won't win the lottery either. This isn't a crap shoot. Maybe the Islamicists will get your "religion" but that isn't likely is it? Unless something of the sort happens, you are going to get just what I said. Personally I think when Iraq fragments, it will become more stable, but stable internally does not mean more friendly. When that happens, people there will remember. What matters most is how THEY see what they gained outweighs what they lost. In any case, an Islamic region is more likely to turn a blind eye on terrorists than a strongly secular and totalitarian govt.

again, your acting like you already know whats going to happen years from now.

 

[CaptnKirk]

again, your acting like you already know whats going to happen years from now.

History repeats itself. Pay attention and learn something, or ignore it and be damned.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
again, your acting like you already know whats going to happen years from now.

History repeats itself. Pay attention and learn something, or ignore it and be damned.

Cogent advice.

The only question is - Which history and who should be learning something or ignore it and be damned?

 

[imported_tss4]

Kind of a wasted thread here. I can sum up the answer easily.

Liberal-no
Conservative-yes

time will tell as to who is right.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
again, your acting like you already know whats going to happen years from now.

History repeats itself. Pay attention and learn something, or ignore it and be damned.

Which history? People have drawn parallels to various outcomes. Usually what they choose to draw an analogy too already fits thier agenda, so again, useless. Try again.

 

[ahurtt]

Without Saddam - Suni, Shiite, Kurds tribal warfare, terrorizing one another.
With Saddam - He was a butcher and a tyrant but he kept that mess in check.

So now that he is gone Iraq is just right back to how it used to be without him. With the addition of the foreign insurgents intent on blowing up the American G.I.

 

[Rainsford]

At the risk of agreeing with Train P), it's too soon to tell. The correct question has been identified, it's all about the tradeoff. But we don't really know what we've got yet, so it's hard to tell what the tradeoff is.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
At the risk of agreeing with Train P), it's too soon to tell. The correct question has been identified, it's all about the tradeoff. But we don't really know what we've got yet, so it's hard to tell what the tradeoff is.

We know what we've got. We've got a moron who started an illegal war and should pay the price for his arrogant screw-up. We've got a nation full of suckered people trained in denial who haven't the courage to see they are accomplices to murder.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Topic Title: So we have gotten rid of Saddam. Was what you got worth it?

So was it worth it?

Our Oil Barons have secured the Iraq Oil, of course it was worth it.

 

[Vic]

Ask the Saudis.