So, this ricer comes up next to me, revin..............

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: TonyG

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
:beer:
Some of those guys really make me wonder. Either they just have no concept of what a true V8-powered sports car can do, or their levels of self-delusion are unsurpassed.

Bah.. Vee8 schmee8.

When I get my Z, I plan on eating ricers for lunch all day long.. and maybe some good ole Detroit potmetal, too. At least after I can sink some money into things that matter.

Only if you put a V8 in it.

Bah!

I'd rather have a balanced, blueprinted, bored and stroked L28 with some nice internals and an 8,000RPM redline than a V8. I like engineering and finesse over brute force displacement.

Although, I suppose you could make a V8 rev to 8,000RPM if you really wanted to... $$$$$$$..

As for making a V8 rev to 8,000rpm, it can be done for somewhere around $3500 with a 351W in a Ford Bronco. My cousin has the bronco and built the engine for $3500 which included parts and labor, which he did much of the work on himself. We don't really know how fast it will spin up to, really need a better tach, but it hits the 6,000 rpm line like nothing and the engine just keeps spinning up, and does this rather quickly too. It also eats Ford 9inch rear ends, I think he is on his 4th right now, one brand new one and several used ones, the one he has right now is basically a locker.
Yes, it will eat ricers, nothing like the look on a guys face after he gets beat by an early 80's bronco.

Hmm... If you're going to go through the (significant) trouble of balancing, blueprinting (I doubt a lot of people really know what that even means), boring, and stroking a motor, it won't make much difference in labor costs whether you start with some import 6cyl or a small block chevy. A destroked 400ci SBC can easily be made to do some pretty insane things.

The L28 is a funny thing. Its a great engine. Even without the cost of balancing (machining to equalize bob weights and counterweghting the crankshaft to reduce harmonic losses and friction) and Blueprinting (making sure the engine parts are within spec) the cost of the head (P90) work to make it a performance engine usually exceeds $2000 and you haven't even bored it out and put high grade pistons and rings in among a bunch of other things. After you complete all that you have an engine on par with an LT1 with a couple bolt ons. The L28 simply hits a wall and to get more power you have to go to a different engine not to mention when you get into the L28 having that much power it is hardly streetable.

Blueprinting is not only that, but also taking extreme care with the assembly process to ensure that the tolerances of the complete rotating assembly are themselves within spec. This can go out even if each individual part is "within spec". This is a very labor-intensive process if it's done right. I'm sure the L28 is a fine engine; I can't say because I don't have any experience with it. I also agree that it's very likely to have significant limitations.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: TonyG

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
:beer:
Some of those guys really make me wonder. Either they just have no concept of what a true V8-powered sports car can do, or their levels of self-delusion are unsurpassed.

Bah.. Vee8 schmee8.

When I get my Z, I plan on eating ricers for lunch all day long.. and maybe some good ole Detroit potmetal, too. At least after I can sink some money into things that matter.

Only if you put a V8 in it.

Bah!

I'd rather have a balanced, blueprinted, bored and stroked L28 with some nice internals and an 8,000RPM redline than a V8. I like engineering and finesse over brute force displacement.

Although, I suppose you could make a V8 rev to 8,000RPM if you really wanted to... $$$$$$$..

As for making a V8 rev to 8,000rpm, it can be done for somewhere around $3500 with a 351W in a Ford Bronco. My cousin has the bronco and built the engine for $3500 which included parts and labor, which he did much of the work on himself. We don't really know how fast it will spin up to, really need a better tach, but it hits the 6,000 rpm line like nothing and the engine just keeps spinning up, and does this rather quickly too. It also eats Ford 9inch rear ends, I think he is on his 4th right now, one brand new one and several used ones, the one he has right now is basically a locker.
Yes, it will eat ricers, nothing like the look on a guys face after he gets beat by an early 80's bronco.

Hmm... If you're going to go through the (significant) trouble of balancing, blueprinting (I doubt a lot of people really know what that even means), boring, and stroking a motor, it won't make much difference in labor costs whether you start with some import 6cyl or a small block chevy. A destroked 400ci SBC can easily be made to do some pretty insane things.

The L28 is a funny thing. Its a great engine. Even without the cost of balancing (machining to equalize bob weights and counterweghting the crankshaft to reduce harmonic losses and friction) and Blueprinting (making sure the engine parts are within spec) the cost of the head (P90) work to make it a performance engine usually exceeds $2000 and you haven't even bored it out and put high grade pistons and rings in among a bunch of other things. After you complete all that you have an engine on par with an LT1 with a couple bolt ons. The L28 simply hits a wall and to get more power you have to go to a different engine not to mention when you get into the L28 having that much power it is hardly streetable.

Blueprinting is not only that, but also taking extreme care with the assembly process to ensure that the tolerances of the complete rotating assembly are themselves within spec. This can go out even if each individual part is "within spec". This is a very labor-intensive process if it's done right. I'm sure the L28 is a fine engine; I can't say because I don't have any experience with it. I also agree that it's very likely to have significant limitations.

I just didn't want to write a novelette on balancing and blueprinting. You should be able to conclude that I know what it is from the info I posted. The money spent on doing it for most applications is not worth the gain unless you just want to be able to say you have a balanced and blueprinted engine. The money could be far better spent. You could drop one of these in for what you would spend on balancing, blueprinting and modding an L28.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
:beer:
Some of those guys really make me wonder. Either they just have no concept of what a true V8-powered sports car can do, or their levels of self-delusion are unsurpassed.

V8 alone doesn't really mean anything, those early 4.6 GTs and 305 fbodies were some slow ass "muscle" cars.

At anyrate, if this thread had been about a turbo civic beating a crappy engined pony car, the first guy would been flamed to death here. "You're an asshole for streetracing, you could have killed someone, your car is crap. . ."

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: OS
V8 alone doesn't really mean anything, those early 4.6 GTs and 305 fbodies were some slow ass "muscle" cars.

Yes, the 4.6 really needs the 32 valve heads and it becomes a whole different engine.

ZV

 

[compuwiz1]

Yes, mega rpms are possible with a SBC V-8...just look back at the original Z-28 camaro with the 302 in it. That was a revin mofo.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: OS
V8 alone doesn't really mean anything, those early 4.6 GTs and 305 fbodies were some slow ass "muscle" cars.

Yes, the 4.6 really needs the 32 valve heads and it becomes a whole different engine.

ZV

Yep. Engines are essentially just air pumps. Increase the capacity to move more air, and you have the ability to make much more horsepower.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: OS
V8 alone doesn't really mean anything, those early 4.6 GTs and 305 fbodies were some slow ass "muscle" cars.

Yes, the 4.6 really needs the 32 valve heads and it becomes a whole different engine.

ZV

Yep. Engines are essentially just air pumps. Increase the capacity to move more air, and you have the ability to make much more horsepower.

Excuses.

The next time I see a slow civic joke on this forum, you guys better be around saying "it'd be a totally different car with VTEC"

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: OS
V8 alone doesn't really mean anything, those early 4.6 GTs and 305 fbodies were some slow ass "muscle" cars.

Yes, the 4.6 really needs the 32 valve heads and it becomes a whole different engine.

ZV

Yep. Engines are essentially just air pumps. Increase the capacity to move more air, and you have the ability to make much more horsepower.

Excuses.

The next time I see a slow civic joke on this forum, you guys better be around saying "it'd be a totally different car with VTEC"

It would be a different car with twice the valve area. VTEC does not provide that, all it does is allow optimal use of what valve area the car has. That comes nowhere near the advantage gained by doubling the valve area.

ZV

 

[stev0]

Originally posted by: Slacker
I would like to speak directly to the hijackers, what are your demands and how can we get our thread back safely?

:beer:

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
It would be a different car with twice the valve area. VTEC does not provide that, all it does is allow optimal use of what valve area the car has. That comes nowhere near the advantage gained by doubling the valve area.

ZV

ugh, it's roughly the same idea, you're optimizing the airflow with a better head design, just different approach.