So this guy pissed me off tonight

[CanOWorms]

Do pizza delivery drivers earn minimum wage or under minimum wage like waiters?

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Playmaker
A tip is a gratuity, hence its discretionary nature. This country is way too hung up on making tips obligatory

Completely agree. We have this dicussion way too often here on Anandtech.
If you wanna do it, do it.
If you dont, dont.
But it seems that arguing with people about it does not help. This is one of those issues that people feel strongly about and never change their opinion.

I dont believe in tipping but it seems I never get my pizza unless I do. And I have to be very generous too. Otherwise my next order will take an extra 45 minutes.

I reccomend a carryout. That way, the driver can be delivering a pizza to somebody else who does tip and you can get your pizza faster.

And herein lay the problem with America.

People get hired to do a job and dont want to do it unless theres even more money.
If you didnt like the base salary you should not have worked there. And relying on tips to make money is NOT smart.
The above is a case in point, you dont know how kuch you will make each night if any. Its not a smart investment of your time.

I pay the service charge for delivery. If its not enough the business needs to charge more. This is supposed to be the standard in every business.
You want more money? You charge more or cut corners.
Cutting corners leads to overall decreased product quality and customer satisfaction. Not recommended if you rely on repeat business.

If they need financial specialist to help them manage the company I can recommend some people.

There are plenty of folks in the world who make ****** money and dont have the luxury of begging for tips. America is one of the few places left that does this at all.

And I wont take your advice to deprive a driver of the tips I HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVING HIM. Did you not actually read my post?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Do pizza delivery drivers earn minimum wage or under minimum wage like waiters?

At the 3 places I've delivered for, we were at minimum wage or slightly above.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Playmaker
A tip is a gratuity, hence its discretionary nature. This country is way too hung up on making tips obligatory

Completely agree. We have this dicussion way too often here on Anandtech.
If you wanna do it, do it.
If you dont, dont.
But it seems that arguing with people about it does not help. This is one of those issues that people feel strongly about and never change their opinion.

I dont believe in tipping but it seems I never get my pizza unless I do. And I have to be very generous too. Otherwise my next order will take an extra 45 minutes.

I reccomend a carryout. That way, the driver can be delivering a pizza to somebody else who does tip and you can get your pizza faster.

Perhaps your employer is unique, but in my area the price is higher for a delivered pizza than a carry-out pizza. And I'm supposed to tip in addition to this?

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Baked
Pee on his door.

:thumbsup:

Damn rude people :\

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Playmaker
A tip is a gratuity, hence its discretionary nature. This country is way too hung up on making tips obligatory

Completely agree. We have this dicussion way too often here on Anandtech.
If you wanna do it, do it.
If you dont, dont.
But it seems that arguing with people about it does not help. This is one of those issues that people feel strongly about and never change their opinion.

I dont believe in tipping but it seems I never get my pizza unless I do. And I have to be very generous too. Otherwise my next order will take an extra 45 minutes.

I reccomend a carryout. That way, the driver can be delivering a pizza to somebody else who does tip and you can get your pizza faster.

And herein lay the problem with America.

People get hired to do a job and dont want to do it unless theres even more money.
If you didnt like the base salary you should not have worked there. And relying on tips to make money is NOT smart.
The above is a case in point, you dont know how kuch you will make each night if any. Its not a smart investment of your time.

I pay the service charge for delivery. If its not enough the business needs to charge more. This is supposed to be the standard in every business.
You want more money? You charge more or cut corners.
Cutting corners leads to overall decreased product quality and customer satisfaction. Not recommended if you rely on repeat business.

If they need financial specialist to help them manage the company I can recommend some people.

There are plenty of folks in the world who make ****** money and dont have the luxury of begging for tips. America is one of the few places left that does this at all.

And I wont take your advice to deprive a driver of the tips I HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVING HIM. Did you not actually read my post?

People take delivery/waitering positions with the knowledge that they are going to get more money than their base salary. If they knew they were only going to get their base salary and no tips, they wouldn't take the jobs at all.

As far as not being smart, risk = reward. They take the risk of possibly not making a lot on some nights for the reward of making much more than normal on other nights.

Your tipping helps supplement the salaries of the drivers so that the businesses do not have to deal with the extra cost of paying them more. If the company pays their employees more, that also results in higher payroll costs AND more money in taxes that the company has to pay. So that $5-$6 more/hour they'd have to pay delivery drivers would cost them a lot more money.

Fact is, you're going to have a lot of people bitching and moaning for a long time if you started jacking up the prices of every menu item by a $1-$3 just so you can pay your delivery drivers more.

 

[Balt]

Putting mileage on your car + paying gas I honestly don't see how anyone comes out ahead in a job like that. :/

 

[Sqube]

Why do I feel like I'm in the extreme minority for thinking that this guy shouldn't have taken it out on you?

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Playmaker
A tip is a gratuity, hence its discretionary nature. This country is way too hung up on making tips obligatory

Completely agree. We have this dicussion way too often here on Anandtech.
If you wanna do it, do it.
If you dont, dont.
But it seems that arguing with people about it does not help. This is one of those issues that people feel strongly about and never change their opinion.

I dont believe in tipping but it seems I never get my pizza unless I do. And I have to be very generous too. Otherwise my next order will take an extra 45 minutes.

I reccomend a carryout. That way, the driver can be delivering a pizza to somebody else who does tip and you can get your pizza faster.

And herein lay the problem with America.

People get hired to do a job and dont want to do it unless theres even more money.
If you didnt like the base salary you should not have worked there. And relying on tips to make money is NOT smart.
The above is a case in point, you dont know how kuch you will make each night if any. Its not a smart investment of your time.

I pay the service charge for delivery. If its not enough the business needs to charge more. This is supposed to be the standard in every business.
You want more money? You charge more or cut corners.
Cutting corners leads to overall decreased product quality and customer satisfaction. Not recommended if you rely on repeat business.

If they need financial specialist to help them manage the company I can recommend some people.

There are plenty of folks in the world who make ****** money and dont have the luxury of begging for tips. America is one of the few places left that does this at all.

And I wont take your advice to deprive a driver of the tips I HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVING HIM. Did you not actually read my post?

People take delivery/waitering positions with the knowledge that they are going to get more money than their base salary. If they knew they were only going to get their base salary and no tips, they wouldn't take the jobs at all.

As far as not being smart, risk = reward. They take the risk of possibly not making a lot on some nights for the reward of making much more than normal on other nights.

Your tipping helps supplement the salaries of the drivers so that the businesses do not have to deal with the extra cost of paying them more. If the company pays their employees more, that also results in higher payroll costs AND more money in taxes that the company has to pay. So that $5-$6 more/hour they'd have to pay delivery drivers would cost them a lot more money.

Fact is, you're going to have a lot of people bitching and moaning for a long time if you started jacking up the prices of every menu item by a $1-$3 just so you can pay your delivery drivers more.

Fact is, most pizza places do just that to the price of a pizza when it is delivered.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Fact is, most pizza places do just that to the price of a pizza when it is delivered.

In my area, none of over 30 restaurants do anything of the sort. There's a $1 delivery charge, and that's it.

It's a far cry from most pizza places, and in fact I'd say it's very rare for places to do this.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Fact is, most pizza places do just that to the price of a pizza when it is delivered.

In my area, none of over 30 restaurants do anything of the sort. There's a $1 delivery charge, and that's it.

It's a far cry from most pizza places, and in fact I'd say it's very rare for places to do this.

I'm confused, the delivery charge is what I'm talking about, and you say they don't do it in your area, but then you say there is a $1 delivery charge???

Check closer and I'd bet that you'd find that most either add the charge, or simply charge more for a delivery pizza than they would for dine-in or carry-out.

 

[jpeyton]

At what point before delivering the second pizza did you take the ham and rub it on your bare crotch?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Fact is, most pizza places do just that to the price of a pizza when it is delivered.

In my area, none of over 30 restaurants do anything of the sort. There's a $1 delivery charge, and that's it.

It's a far cry from most pizza places, and in fact I'd say it's very rare for places to do this.

I'm confused, the delivery charge is what I'm talking about, and you say they don't do it in your area, but then you say there is a $1 delivery charge???

Check closer and I'd bet that you'd find that most either add the charge, or simply charge more for a delivery pizza than they would for dine-in or carry-out.

A delivery charge is MUCH MUCH different than increasing the price of every menu item, which is what I originally said.

Fact is, you're going to have a lot of people bitching and moaning for a long time if you started jacking up the prices of every menu item by a $1-$3 just so you can pay your delivery drivers more.

Fact is, the delivery driver sees very little of the delivery charge. At most, they'll get half of it, anywhere from $0.25-$0.50 is the norm. That doesn't even cover the cost of gas for that delivery.

To completely do away with tips, you'd have to increase the price of every single item for deliveries by $1-$3. Most delivery drivers get paid anywhere from minimum wage - $8/hour. After tips, it's not uncommon to make $15/hour. So to get rid of tips, you're looking at raising the prices so that every delivery driver gets an extra $7-$10/hour. On top of that, you'd also need to raise prices so that you'll be able to compensate for the extra taxes you now have to pay for their salaries.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Fact is, most pizza places do just that to the price of a pizza when it is delivered.

In my area, none of over 30 restaurants do anything of the sort. There's a $1 delivery charge, and that's it.

It's a far cry from most pizza places, and in fact I'd say it's very rare for places to do this.

I'm confused, the delivery charge is what I'm talking about, and you say they don't do it in your area, but then you say there is a $1 delivery charge???

Check closer and I'd bet that you'd find that most either add the charge, or simply charge more for a delivery pizza than they would for dine-in or carry-out.

A delivery charge is MUCH MUCH different than increasing the price of every menu item, which is what I originally said.

Fact is, you're going to have a lot of people bitching and moaning for a long time if you started jacking up the prices of every menu item by a $1-$3 just so you can pay your delivery drivers more.

Fact is, the delivery driver sees very little of the delivery charge. At most, they'll get half of it, anywhere from $0.25-$0.50 is the norm. That doesn't even cover the cost of gas for that delivery.

To completely do away with tips, you'd have to increase the price of every single item for deliveries by $1-$3. Most delivery drivers get paid anywhere from minimum wage - $8/hour. After tips, it's not uncommon to make $15/hour. So to get rid of tips, you're looking at raising the prices so that every delivery driver gets an extra $7-$10/hour. On top of that, you'd also need to raise prices so that you'll be able to compensate for the extra taxes you now have to pay for their salaries.

Well, when I pay a deliver charge for a pizza I don't give the driver an additional delivery charge just because he calls it a tip. On the same token, when I'm at any restaurant in Europe or at a decent restaurant in the US with a service charge included on all bills, I don't add an additional tip.

For me to give a tip/gratuity to the help, said individual better go above and beyond to earn it.

 

[Kyanzes]

I had the exact same experience the OP had only from customer perspective a lot of times. When such thing happens I either don't take the pizza from the delivery guy or I don't give tip at all. The delivery guy is a representative of the pizza company he's working for. I don't care who pays for his trip, only one thing matters which is that I got griefed. I order two pizzas, then they, for some reason, send only one. I order a Light Coke (think it's called Diet Coke in the US) and they bring the classic one. And what should I do with it? Pour it all over myself? Some way you have to "punish" the delivery company. It's unfortunate that the subject of my "retaliation" is the delivery guy who happens to be the last link in the cain between me and the company he delivers for but I have to protect my interests somehow. I usually go to a different pizza company after a more serious incident, I obviously don't want anyone spitting on my pizza. Hehe, once a delivery guy ran away from me, jumped in his car and rocketed from the house, barely escaping me. He got lucky because I was already behind a closed gate when the bastard told me that I should not order from them if I don't like the service I get. That wasn't really the problem, but his arrogant attitude. I would not have hurt him obviously, but he thought that I would. Maybe because I dropped the pizza before I started to unlock the gate.

 

[Fingolfin269]

You should take your anger out on the person taking the orders.

 

[tyler811]

Here in where I live, they charge $3.19 or delivery so I stopped tipping.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Sorry dude, you're in the wrong here. A delivery driver is a representative of the company. Even if it's not your fault, you don't deserve a tip in this case.

It was poor service. Not by you, but again, you're seen as part of the pizza company...and, since the easiest thing to do is to not tip a person...it's gonna happen.

If you don't like it, get another job...the beauty of the good ol' USA!

 

[waggy]

yeap the costumer was not happy with the service (wich includes how his pizza is made). the tip depends on how well service was. service sucked so no tip for you.

while it sucks it is also part of the job

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Sorry dude, you're in the wrong here. A delivery driver is a representative of the company. Even if it's not your fault, you don't deserve a tip in this case.

It was poor service. Not by you, but again, you're seen as part of the pizza company...and, since the easiest thing to do is to not tip a person...it's gonna happen.

If you don't like it, get another job...the beauty of the good ol' USA!

I'd agree with you if the person didn't get the other pizza for free. So for a couple more minutes of waiting, he saved probably $15. The company went above and beyond what it had to do, and he still screwed the delivery guy.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Fact is, most pizza places do just that to the price of a pizza when it is delivered.

In my area, none of over 30 restaurants do anything of the sort. There's a $1 delivery charge, and that's it.

It's a far cry from most pizza places, and in fact I'd say it's very rare for places to do this.

I'm confused, the delivery charge is what I'm talking about, and you say they don't do it in your area, but then you say there is a $1 delivery charge???

Check closer and I'd bet that you'd find that most either add the charge, or simply charge more for a delivery pizza than they would for dine-in or carry-out.

A delivery charge is MUCH MUCH different than increasing the price of every menu item, which is what I originally said.

Fact is, you're going to have a lot of people bitching and moaning for a long time if you started jacking up the prices of every menu item by a $1-$3 just so you can pay your delivery drivers more.

Fact is, the delivery driver sees very little of the delivery charge. At most, they'll get half of it, anywhere from $0.25-$0.50 is the norm. That doesn't even cover the cost of gas for that delivery.

To completely do away with tips, you'd have to increase the price of every single item for deliveries by $1-$3. Most delivery drivers get paid anywhere from minimum wage - $8/hour. After tips, it's not uncommon to make $15/hour. So to get rid of tips, you're looking at raising the prices so that every delivery driver gets an extra $7-$10/hour. On top of that, you'd also need to raise prices so that you'll be able to compensate for the extra taxes you now have to pay for their salaries.

Well, when I pay a deliver charge for a pizza I don't give the driver an additional delivery charge just because he calls it a tip. On the same token, when I'm at any restaurant in Europe or at a decent restaurant in the US with a service charge included on all bills, I don't add an additional tip.

For me to give a tip/gratuity to the help, said individual better go above and beyond to earn it.

And that's why people like you get their pizza at the end of the spectrum (an hour), and people that tip get their pizza within 25 minutes.

 

[Number1]

Don't worry about it. Next time, just spit or snort in his pizza on the way there. At least you?ll get a little satisfaction out of it.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Sorry dude, you're in the wrong here. A delivery driver is a representative of the company. Even if it's not your fault, you don't deserve a tip in this case.

It was poor service. Not by you, but again, you're seen as part of the pizza company...and, since the easiest thing to do is to not tip a person...it's gonna happen.

If you don't like it, get another job...the beauty of the good ol' USA!

I'd agree with you if the person didn't get the other pizza for free. So for a couple more minutes of waiting, he saved probably $15. The company went above and beyond what it had to do, and he still screwed the delivery guy.

At that point they are just trying to keep his business. The service has already been so fvcked that he's obviously not going to tip, but the company would like to keep him as a customer so they provide the free pizza hoping for more orders in the future.

 

[EngenZerO]

next time make sure you spit on his pizza,

 

[dsfunk]

stop bitching and get a new ****** job

I tip, and tip well