Guess that's true, if you don't count the presidential elections of 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988.Originally posted by: piasabird
I should probably state for the record that the State of Illinois has voted Democratic in every presidential election since I can remember. It is a Pro-Democrat state from one end to the other. There may have been a Republican Governor, but that was probably in response to the corruption in Chicago from the Dailey Clan. I wonder where they get the Republicans from. In my voting Precinct a lot of elected officials run unapposed because a lot of the time no Republican will even bother running for office.
If I was prone to imagination I'd believe as both you and her.Originally posted by: Corbett
Must...Hold...Back.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course you do, birds of a feather you know.Originally posted by: Corbett
I agree with Rep Davis on everything but the bolded part in the last paragraph.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Rep. Davis: I don?t know what you have against God, but some of us don?t have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings. And it?s really a tragedy -- it?s tragic -- when a person who is engaged in anything related to God, they want to fight. They want to fight prayer in school.
I don?t see you (Sherman) fighting guns in school. You know?
I?m trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in the state of Illinois. This is the Land of Lincoln. This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God, where people believe in protecting their children.? What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous, it?s dangerous--
Sherman: What?s dangerous, ma?am?
Rep. Davis: It?s dangerous to the progression of this state. And it?s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists! Now you will go to court to fight kids to have the opportunity to be quiet for a minute. But damn if you?ll go to [court] to fight for them to keep guns out of their hands. I am fed up! Get out of that seat!
Sherman: Thank you for sharing your perspective with me, and I?m sure that if this matter does go to court---
Rep. Davis: You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon.
I'd make a comment about the same thing pertaining to you, but out of fear of being banned for even bringing it up, I'll just suggest you use your imagination.
If I was prone to imagination I'd believe as both you and her.Originally posted by: Corbett
Must...Hold...Back.
I'd make a comment about the same thing pertaining to you, but out of fear of being banned for even bringing it up, I'll just suggest you use your imagination.
And you totally missed my point.Originally posted by: ericlp
Don't blame me, I voted for an atheist....Originally posted by: Farang
Don't blame me, I voted for Bugs Bunny.Originally posted by: bamacre
Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul.
If only your imagination was as big as your post count.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If I was prone to imagination I'd believe as both you and her.Originally posted by: Corbett
Must...Hold...Back.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course you do, birds of a feather you know.Originally posted by: Corbett
I agree with Rep Davis on everything but the bolded part in the last paragraph.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Rep. Davis: I don?t know what you have against God, but some of us don?t have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings. And it?s really a tragedy -- it?s tragic -- when a person who is engaged in anything related to God, they want to fight. They want to fight prayer in school.
I don?t see you (Sherman) fighting guns in school. You know?
I?m trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in the state of Illinois. This is the Land of Lincoln. This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God, where people believe in protecting their children.? What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous, it?s dangerous--
Sherman: What?s dangerous, ma?am?
Rep. Davis: It?s dangerous to the progression of this state. And it?s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists! Now you will go to court to fight kids to have the opportunity to be quiet for a minute. But damn if you?ll go to [court] to fight for them to keep guns out of their hands. I am fed up! Get out of that seat!
Sherman: Thank you for sharing your perspective with me, and I?m sure that if this matter does go to court---
Rep. Davis: You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon.
I'd make a comment about the same thing pertaining to you, but out of fear of being banned for even bringing it up, I'll just suggest you use your imagination.
I've been banned for less. No thanks.Originally posted by: ericlp
Your not going to get banned here... I'd like to hear what you have positive to say about this.... If anything we can just laugh at you....
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Corbett, pretty much everything she said is a lie.![]()
If you, or anyone else, can express your viewpoint without resorting to nasty personal attacks or massive derailments of the thread, feel free to speak your mind. Nobody is going to ban you for saying what you think, as long as you don't violate any rules when you do it.Originally posted by: Corbett
I've been banned for less. No thanks.Originally posted by: ericlp
Your not going to get banned here... I'd like to hear what you have positive to say about this.... If anything we can just laugh at you....
Sounds like the burder of proof is on you for that one.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Corbett, pretty much everything she said is a lie.![]()
since you are apparently confused, what she said does not have a basis in either fact or law.
you and her are the ones making the claim.Originally posted by: Corbett
Sounds like the burder of proof is on you for that one.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Corbett, pretty much everything she said is a lie.![]()
since you are apparently confused, what she said does not have a basis in either fact or law.
Its a belief. We already know my posting evidence to support it wont change your position whatsoever.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
you and her are the ones making the claim.
You are confused again. He isn't asking you (or the Rep.) to prove the existence of God. He is asking you to prove that the claims made by her that you were so quick to agree with and claim to be truth actually are.Originally posted by: Corbett
Its a belief. We already know my posting evidence to support it wont change your position whatsoever.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
you and her are the ones making the claim.
Stupid people vote for stupid politicians - or more likely, smart politicians who are good at manipulating stupid people.Originally posted by: palehorse74
the scary short answer: actual voters.Originally posted by: Throckmorton
How did someone like that become a state representative?
That works both ways and the atheist wasn't the one acting in an ignorant and unprofessional manner while abusing their position of power.Originally posted by: Corbett
Its a belief. We already know my posting evidence to support it wont change your position whatsoever.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
you and her are the ones making the claim.
It used to be the case that the pro-religion crowd had school days begin with the teacher leading the classroom in a prayer to God and Jesus. The "Anti-religious" crowd sued over that, and the Supreme Court in 1962 mysteriously agreed that prayer under such circumstances constituted state establishment of religion. Which just goes to show you that the Founding Fathers were anti-religious, communist atheists.Originally posted by: piasabird
The problem is that when the Athiest campaigns or protests, is that often it is a campaign against religion? If you bring up religion, with an Anti-Religious-Rant, then you open the door for it to be discussed. It is only fair that all parties be represented for the discussion. In a court this would be considered poison fruit because the Athiest probably brings up the subject. So the subject must be discussed. If you are voted in by a predominently religous constituency, should you not be representing that constituency? People should not be afraid to discuss their religion. Christians have freedom of speech also. I dont want to force religion on anyone. I would not support forced muslim religious training any more than forced Christian religious training. Being a Mormon I have neutral point of view on this, because in the past many Christians persecuted Mormons.
We really need a discussion of Freedom of Speech. It is suppose to protect people's right to practice their relion and express their beliefs or lack thereof. If the Athiest has a right to freedom of speech, so does the Christian and any other religion. Open discussion should be permitted. How can you discuss Social Studies or History without discussing how religion has had an effect on history or culture? Religion is often used as an excuse to persecute other groups. However, religion can also be the source of compassion and giving to feed the poor and protect the fatherless. In the end it is men that do Evil or Good, not religion or phylosophy. Liberals can do just as much evil as the Zealots of Faith.