So, suppose that a nuke is used against a US city and Mecca is leveled.

ahurtt

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It is just too mind boggling to try and imagine. . .we'll just have to wait and see. Suffice it to say, a lot of people will find out if they were right or wrong about their religious convictions.
 

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I think that the backlash (mass mentality) would override common sense, and Muslims of the world would be hunted and treated as criminals. Many countries need little provocation these days to start a witch-hunt. Some countries would arrest them all, some would discriminate, most would remove all benefits to their religion such as tax-free status. The religion, and the countries in which it is most prevalent would suffer horribly.

At this time and place, for a Muslim country to support any violence against the West is sheer suicide. They cannot hope for more than a rapid execution of their country's invasion/demise. They way to get through the bad current publicity is through LEGAL and intelligent planning for their future, not with fists and attacks...
 

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I doubt WWIII would ensue. Unless Kim Jong (mentally) Il decided to start lobbing some nukes toward Japan and the US west coast.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I bet a cival war in the United States.

Na, no support for it. We'd give the govt. every authority over us. Many here would be supporting it, much like they support this administration in eliminating the rights of those accused of being "enemy combatants". We are no less fearful than eany other people. There is no American Superiority Gene. Besides, the govt is too powerful. We would make out no better than the Chinese students. Every weapon that can be used on enemy soldiers can be used on Americans. It would simply be and end to the democratic experiment.
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Genx87
I bet a cival war in the United States.

Na, no support for it. We'd give the govt. every authority over us. Many here would be supporting it, much like they support this administration in eliminating the rights of those accused of being "enemy combatants". We are no less fearful than eany other people. There is no American Superiority Gene. Besides, the govt is too powerful. We would make out no better than the Chinese students. Every weapon that can be used on enemy soldiers can be used on Americans. It would simply be and end to the democratic experiment.


Maybe but 200 million gun owners > 1 million army.
 

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
why would Mecca be leveled?

In retaliation to a a Muslim attack against the US.

Mecca is to Muslims what Washington DC is to the President.

 

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I would pretty much agree that Mecca would be leveld if a radical Islamic group nukes a United States City. The United States would likely tell the locals to move out, then level Mecca. There isn't a damn thing that anyone could do to stop it. It could very well be the end of Muslims as we see them today. Their holy places burned to the ground and their believers hunted world-wide.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Genx87
I bet a cival war in the United States.

Na, no support for it. We'd give the govt. every authority over us. Many here would be supporting it, much like they support this administration in eliminating the rights of those accused of being "enemy combatants". We are no less fearful than eany other people. There is no American Superiority Gene. Besides, the govt is too powerful. We would make out no better than the Chinese students. Every weapon that can be used on enemy soldiers can be used on Americans. It would simply be and end to the democratic experiment.


Maybe but 200 million gun owners > 1 million army.


Many believe that the US military could defeat China, a far bigger place than here.

Don't get me wrong. I would rather fight and die, but I know that when I fight, I will die. Better to die on my feet than live on my knees.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Genx87
I bet a cival war in the United States.

Na, no support for it. We'd give the govt. every authority over us. Many here would be supporting it, much like they support this administration in eliminating the rights of those accused of being "enemy combatants". We are no less fearful than eany other people. There is no American Superiority Gene. Besides, the govt is too powerful. We would make out no better than the Chinese students. Every weapon that can be used on enemy soldiers can be used on Americans. It would simply be and end to the democratic experiment.


Maybe but 200 million gun owners > 1 million army.

I don't think there would be a civil war at all. Why would we fight ourselves. We always rally around our country in times of crisis, a civil war would contrary to what this country stands for. We'd want to go kill as many Muslims as possible, not kill ourselves. There is NO way 200 million people would take up arms against the govt. This is the United States, not Columbia or something.
 

Tom

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We wouldn't attack Mecca.

We might form an alliance with India and rearrange Pakistan and Iran though.
 

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Muslims would be in trouble.

Every major military nation in the world is dealing with Muslim extremeists to some certain degree. Some of them are no doubtedly tired of it. Countries like China could possibly use it to their advantage in a resource grab sparking basically WWIII under the same premise as WWII Japan. Russia would definitely step up its fighting and the West would most likely reduce most of the Middle East to dust and confine most Muslims of the world.

There is only so much people can take. Sorry. but the predicted silence from the Muslim leadership would sign their doom.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Genx87
I bet a cival war in the United States.

Na, no support for it. We'd give the govt. every authority over us. Many here would be supporting it, much like they support this administration in eliminating the rights of those accused of being "enemy combatants". We are no less fearful than eany other people. There is no American Superiority Gene. Besides, the govt is too powerful. We would make out no better than the Chinese students. Every weapon that can be used on enemy soldiers can be used on Americans. It would simply be and end to the democratic experiment.


Maybe but 200 million gun owners > 1 million army.

not if the 200 million gun owners rally to the governemnt.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: maluckey
I would pretty much agree that Mecca would be leveld if a radical Islamic group nukes a United States City. The United States would likely tell the locals to move out, then level Mecca. There isn't a damn thing that anyone could do to stop it. It could very well be the end of Muslims as we see them today. Their holy places burned to the ground and their believers hunted world-wide.

so genocide then at the hands of americans?
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: maluckey
I would pretty much agree that Mecca would be leveld if a radical Islamic group nukes a United States City. The United States would likely tell the locals to move out, then level Mecca. There isn't a damn thing that anyone could do to stop it. It could very well be the end of Muslims as we see them today. Their holy places burned to the ground and their believers hunted world-wide.

You mean like the Republic hunted down the Jedi? LOL :)
 

maluckey

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miketheidiot,

Perhaps your reading comprehension suffers from too much AT P & N. I never said that the U.S. would commit atrocities. I even mentioned that the United States would issue warnings to avoid casualties.
 

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Originally posted by: maluckey
miketheidiot,

Perhaps your reading comprehension suffers from too much AT P & N. I never said that the U.S. would commit atrocities. I even mentioned that the United States would issue warnings to avoid casualties.

Leveling a holy place for billions of people simply because the people who nuke the US are Muslim is certainly not high on my list of moral values.
 

maluckey

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Perhaps, but neither is nuking a city of non-combatants. On the big scale, which one is more atrocious? Murder of tens of thousands, or defacing a religion and destroying a religious site? I doubt most would opt for the latter being more atrocious.
 

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No way in hell we "nuke" Mecca.
Saudi Arabia is way to important to us, without their oil our economy would be devastated.

Iran and Syria would probably be invaded, but by conventional forces. For all the talk they do, we could destroy their militaries very quickly, but occupation of these countries would be a waste of time and money.


The biggest threat would come from the White House when Bush declares a state of emergency and assumes absolute power over the country for an undisclosed period of time (this thread has lasted way to long without flames :)
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Perhaps, but neither is nuking a city of non-combatants. On the big scale, which one is more atrocious? Murder of tens of thousands, or defacing a religion and destroying a religious site? I doubt most would opt for the latter being more atrocious.

I wasn't comparing those directly, but retaliating against innocents who have the misfortune of sharing a religion with terrorists doesn't seem like an American thing to do, even if what the terrorists did was worse.