So Stupid: Texas Woman Busted for Fv**erware Party

[BDawg]

She'll probably get the death penalty.

DALLAS, Texas (Reuters) -- Joanne Webb is a mother of three, a Baptist, a booster of the town of Burleson, Texas, and a former schoolteacher. She also faces trial for being a smut merchant.

Webb, 43, was arrested in November by two undercover police officers for selling sexual toys and charged with violating Texas obscenity laws. She could face up to a year in jail and a fine of $4,000 if convicted.

 

[BDawg]

Gloria Gillaspie, a pastor at Lighthouse Church in Burleson, said she has met and counseled some women who had talked to Webb about the products she sold.

"It was causing problems with their marriages," she said.

Gillaspie said Webb and her family were asked to leave two churches in town. She did not name the churches.

"They didn't want to comply with what was really Christian conduct and that is why they were asked to leave those churches," Gillaspie said.

Yeah, that's the right attitude for a Christian to take...

 

[Nitemare]

Good thing she wasn't in Georgia. I think they are illegal in some parts. I remember hearing where you could even turn them in...sort of like the guns for cash that goes on occasionally now.

At work now so definitely not going to search for it.

 

[burnedout]

We discussed this particular incident about two months ago.

Before blowing a gasket and denouncing Texas as either fundie radicals or developing commies, please see the thread. There are "toy" stores all over Texas. However, in order to sell these "toys", the owners/managers/operators must post a sign stating "for novelty use only". This is the law. Yes, it is silly. Ms. Webb did not post a sign.

As I mention in the earlier thread, Ms. Webb probably stepped on a few toes in her town. From reading the CNN report, it sounds as if a few old hags have it out for her. The whole thing sounds like a community wives club conspiracy and, in my opinion, the trial is a waste of taxpayer time and money.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Gloria Gillaspie, a pastor at Lighthouse Church in Burleson, said she has met and counseled some women who had talked to Webb about the products she sold.

"It was causing problems with their marriages," she said.

Gillaspie said Webb and her family were asked to leave two churches in town. She did not name the churches.

"They didn't want to comply with what was really Christian conduct and that is why they were asked to leave those churches," Gillaspie said.

Yeah, that's the right attitude for a Christian to take...

Asking her to leave the church is backed up in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: burnedout
We discussed this particular incident about two months ago.

Before blowing a gasket and denouncing Texas as either fundie radicals or developing commies, please see the thread. There are "toy" stores all over Texas. However, in order to sell these "toys", the owners/managers/operators must post a sign stating "for novelty use only". This is the law. Yes, it is silly. Ms. Webb did not post a sign.

As I mention in the earlier thread, Ms. Webb probably stepped on a few toes in her town. From reading the CNN report, it sounds as if a few old hags have it out for her. The whole thing sounds like a community wives club conspiracy and, in my opinion, the trial is a waste of taxpayer time and money.

Here they are:

"A few prominent citizens with strong Christian beliefs were angered by Webb and her activities and asked police to investigate, local media reported. "

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: BDawg

Gloria Gillaspie, a pastor at Lighthouse Church in Burleson, said she has met and counseled some women who had talked to Webb about the products she sold.

"It was causing problems with their marriages," she said.

Gillaspie said Webb and her family were asked to leave two churches in town. She did not name the churches.

"They didn't want to comply with what was really Christian conduct and that is why they were asked to leave those churches," Gillaspie said.

Yeah, that's the right attitude for a Christian to take...

What do you know about it? Christians generally don't let the heretics tell them what is the right attitude for a Christian to take. Asking her to leave the church is backed up in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

To label her a heretic because she uses sex toys is wacky.

I know I'm a Christian, so I'm pretty sure what I consider the right attitude which should be taken.

These people are living in a glass house and throwing stones from the inside.

 

[LunarRay]

A law that requires a rather provocative sign..
Novelty to me means:
The quality of being novel; somethin new or different and I suppose unique fits as well.
Something unusual; an innovation of some sort.
A mass produced thing, like a toy or something depicting something real but entertaining.

One would think the 'toys' being sold need not require a sign to indicate they meet the above criteria. Axiomatic come to mind. But, to deal with the law one must comply with the law or show the law violates some other superior right of the individual over the society that enacted it. I wonder which rights they may be????

 

[BugsBunny1078]

sorry. better to leave the church dynamics off the boards.

 

[Nitemare]

Guess they should rename Dallas Fort Worth to Soddom and Gomorah

 

[LunarRay]

OK Bugs! I'll edit my response

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: burnedout
We discussed this particular incident about two months ago.

Before blowing a gasket and denouncing Texas as either fundie radicals or developing commies, please see the thread. There are "toy" stores all over Texas. However, in order to sell these "toys", the owners/managers/operators must post a sign stating "for novelty use only". This is the law. Yes, it is silly. Ms. Webb did not post a sign.

As I mention in the earlier thread, Ms. Webb probably stepped on a few toes in her town. From reading the CNN report, it sounds as if a few old hags have it out for her. The whole thing sounds like a community wives club conspiracy and, in my opinion, the trial is a waste of taxpayer time and money.

Texas, eh?

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Texas, eh?

Touche'

 

[Witling]

First, I loved the quote "They didn't want to comply with what was really Christian conduct. . ." Thank heavens they've got somebody in this Texas town who knows what was really Christian conduct. Many people have doubts or reservations.

Second, Whoa, Bugs. Let's skip a discussion of St. Paul and his misanthropic ideas, but here's your quote,

". . . be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolator,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner."

Which category did the woman selling the sex toys fall into?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Witling
First, I loved the quote "They didn't want to comply with what was really Christian conduct. . ." Thank heavens they've got somebody in this Texas town who knows what was really Christian conduct. Many people have doubts or reservations.

Second, Whoa, Bugs. Let's skip a discussion of St. Paul and his misanthropic ideas, but here's your quote,

". . . be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolator,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner."

Which category did the woman selling the sex toys fall into?

and how many others going to that church are NEVER any of the above?

What does the Bible say about hypocrites again? How about judging others?

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Witling
First, I loved the quote "They didn't want to comply with what was really Christian conduct. . ." Thank heavens they've got somebody in this Texas town who knows what was really Christian conduct. Many people have doubts or reservations.

Second, Whoa, Bugs. Let's skip a discussion of St. Paul and his misanthropic ideas, but here's your quote,

". . . be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolator,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner."

Which category did the woman selling the sex toys fall into?

and how many others going to that church are NEVER any of the above?

What does the Bible say about hypocrites again? How about judging others?

Don't know what you're talking about there. How about giving us the passage and quote?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Witling
First, I loved the quote "They didn't want to comply with what was really Christian conduct. . ." Thank heavens they've got somebody in this Texas town who knows what was really Christian conduct. Many people have doubts or reservations.

Second, Whoa, Bugs. Let's skip a discussion of St. Paul and his misanthropic ideas, but here's your quote,

". . . be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolator,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner."

Which category did the woman selling the sex toys fall into?

and how many others going to that church are NEVER any of the above?

What does the Bible say about hypocrites again? How about judging others?

Don't know what you're talking about there. How about giving us the passage and quote?

Sorry, Bugs. I'm not the one trying to justify persecution by quoting scripture. Besides, I think you know full well what I'm talking about and are trying to dodge un-Christian behavior. If you don't have a concordance to look up "hypocrite" and "judge", let me give you a hint. Search for "Woe to the hypocrites ..." and "Judge not, lest you be judged."

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
A law that requires a rather provocative sign..
Novelty to me means:
The quality of being novel; somethin new or different and I suppose unique fits as well.
Something unusual; an innovation of some sort.
A mass produced thing, like a toy or something depicting something real but entertaining.

One would think the 'toys' being sold need not require a sign to indicate they meet the above criteria. Axiomatic come to mind. But, to deal with the law one must comply with the law or show the law violates some other superior right of the individual over the society that enacted it. I wonder which rights they may be????

Ray, I know. Many of us here in TX also scratch our heads over various 1890s-era laws still in effect.

As H.L. Menken once said: "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

 

[LunarRay]

bournedout,

Ray, I know. Many of us here in TX also scratch our heads over various 1890s-era laws still in effect.

As H.L. Menken once said: "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

Hehehe, I forgot about that. It's sorta like the folks who go about saying anything not Church (or other place of worship) must be of the devil. That may be true but, who am I to tell folks not similarly stead as me to cease enjoyment and comply with my system of belief. Sounds so unAmerican to me. Do the folks in that Congregation not accept the power of prayer? Is that not the 'Christian' means of 'casting out the demons'?
With Lawrence v Texas in the books it seems not too far a reach to invoke that 'equal' phrase here notwithstanding States rights. The reason I'd wonder is because if the Seller was a Sex therapist would a sign be necessary? Loose argument, I agree.. but, at the moment the best that comes to mind..

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

and how many others going to that church are NEVER any of the above?

who knows? but someone who willingly commits sins but goes to a protestant church can hardly be called Christian. I dont care if they want to label themselves as Christian, but all the true Christians know it isnt so.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
and how many others going to that church are NEVER any of the above?

who knows? but someone who willingly commits sins but goes to a protestant church can hardly be called Christian. I dont care if they want to label themselves as Christian, but all the true Christians know it isnt so.

First, that's nonsense. I was into the whole fundamentalist thing once many years ago. I saw a whole bunch of extremely devout and extremely pious hypocrites. Under your most hardcore Christian sects, everyone sins constantly and does so knowingly, including the members of the two congregations I frequented. By your definition above, none of them were Christians either, even though most of them would be considered "true Christians" by almost any measure. The whole point of the New Testament is supposed to be acknowledging that simple truth and offering forgiveness for our ubiquitous human foibles.

Be that as it may, please go back to Witling's question. Which of those sins was this woman committing? Where does the New Testament declare sex toys to be sinful?

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
and how many others going to that church are NEVER any of the above?

who knows? but someone who willingly commits sins but goes to a protestant church can hardly be called Christian. I dont care if they want to label themselves as Christian, but all the true Christians know it isnt so.

First, that's nonsense. I was into the whole fundamentalist thing once many years ago. I saw a whole bunch of extremely devout and extremely pious hypocrites. Under your most hardcore Christian sects, everyone sins constantly and does so knowingly, including the members of the two congregations I frequented. By your definition above, none of them were Christians either, even though most of them would be considered "true Christians" by almost any measure. The whole point of the New Testament is supposed to be acknowledging that simple truth and offering forgiveness for our ubiquitous human foibles.

Be that as it may, please go back to Witling's question. Which of those sins was this woman committing? Where does the New Testament declare sex toys to be sinful?

No, you're horribly mistaken [no matter how deep into the 'fundamentalist' thing you were] True Christians try their hardes to emulate Christ [thus the title Christian] I know plenty of these types of people [I live in the Bible Belt, so they run a plenty here] and it's ver easy to tell them apart from those pious hypocrites you mentioned. True Christians are humble, devout, and not at all hypocritical. They preach their beliefs [but not in the typical Bible Beater fashion] and live by them steadfastly.

So, it seems as though you were foold by the typical sinner in sheeps clothing. Rather easily I might add.

And doesn't the Bible say something about sexual purity? If so, thats where the Bible declares sex toys sinful. Purity of body, purity of soul.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
and how many others going to that church are NEVER any of the above?

who knows? but someone who willingly commits sins but goes to a protestant church can hardly be called Christian. I dont care if they want to label themselves as Christian, but all the true Christians know it isnt so.

First, that's nonsense. I was into the whole fundamentalist thing once many years ago. I saw a whole bunch of extremely devout and extremely pious hypocrites. Under your most hardcore Christian sects, everyone sins constantly and does so knowingly, including the members of the two congregations I frequented. By your definition above, none of them were Christians either, even though most of them would be considered "true Christians" by almost any measure. The whole point of the New Testament is supposed to be acknowledging that simple truth and offering forgiveness for our ubiquitous human foibles.

Be that as it may, please go back to Witling's question. Which of those sins was this woman committing? Where does the New Testament declare sex toys to be sinful?

No, you're horribly mistaken [no matter how deep into the 'fundamentalist' thing you were] True Christians try their hardes to emulate Christ [thus the title Christian] I know plenty of these types of people [I live in the Bible Belt, so they run a plenty here] and it's ver easy to tell them apart from those pious hypocrites you mentioned. True Christians are humble, devout, and not at all hypocritical. They preach their beliefs [but not in the typical Bible Beater fashion] and live by them steadfastly.

So, it seems as though you were foold by the typical sinner in sheeps clothing. Rather easily I might add.

And doesn't the Bible say something about sexual purity? If so, thats where the Bible declares sex toys sinful. Purity of body, purity of soul.

Sex is not a sinful act; from my readings of the Bible it was and always has been meant to be enjoyed fully by married couples. If I recall correctly sexual purity usually enters into play when interacting with non-spouses, so "keep your thoughts clean when talking with your 25 year old female secretary", not "sex is bad and you and your wife should only have sex for procreation", and occasionally with severe sexual deviancy within a marriage (e.g. wife swapping).