So Russian forces have taken Slavynsk and Doneskt... anyone who said not past Crimea?

[zanejohnson]

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[zanejohnson]

the question now is, Russian Forces stop.. or they dont.

if they dont, it moves to the baltic states, and from there, to nato territory...

 

[Jhhnn]

the question now is, Russian Forces stop.. or they dont.

if they dont, it moves to the baltic states, and from there, to nato territory...

Fearmonger often?

 

[MongGrel]

Is this a real surprise ?

 

[JEDIYoda]

So Russian forces have taken Slavynsk and Doneskt... anyone who said not past Crimea?
-- link please or are you just fearmongering???

 

[zanejohnson]

So Russian forces have taken Slavynsk and Doneskt... anyone who said not past Crimea?
-- link please or are you just fearmongering???

jesus twitter #slavaynsk...... it's updating 30-40 posts at a time, every second, of pictues and vids.

 

[Jaskalas]

So Russian forces have taken Slavynsk and Doneskt...

Proof, link? I'm assuming you mean the Ukrainians who are loyal Russians. That or Russian speical forces who pretend to be Ukrainians. Unless they're walking around as an official military unit, it's difficult to say Russian forces have taken anything.

Looks like a new twist to modern warfare. Start an uprising, pretend to be locals, and then help the locals as things escalate.

 

[zanejohnson]

what's really scary, is based on peoples views, FROM UKRAINE... it's taking a serious anti-west turn

 

[Anarchist420]

it could very well be lies from the u.s.g. mr. johnson. but even if it is not, it is none of the u.s.g.'s business.

 

[zanejohnson]

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/24jlt0/many_dead_in_ukraine_offensive_rebels_killed/

 

[Jhhnn]

Looks like a new twist to modern warfare. Start an uprising, pretend to be locals, and then help the locals as things escalate.

Much the same could be said for Western meddling that set off the original uprising in Kiev.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Much the same could be said for Western meddling that set off the original uprising in Kiev.

So, there were Western troops disguised as Ukrainian protestors seizing buildings and territory? Interesting.

 

[Jaskalas]

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/24jlt0/many_dead_in_ukraine_offensive_rebels_killed/

Where does that claim Russian military?

 

[Jhhnn]

So, there were Western troops disguised as Ukrainian protestors seizing buildings and territory? Interesting.

There is no proof that they are Russian troops. We saw the same accusations wrt Crimea, and it turned out to be pro-Russian militias.

It was ultra-nationalist western Ukrainian militias that toppled the regime in Kiev, of course.

How fucked up is your country in the first place if you have all these armed militias, anyway?

Yeh, sure, it's a gun totin' revolutionary authoritarian followin' dream, but, uhh, really? How did it come to this? Does the West bear no responsibility for its role?

We've played Ukrainians as pawns in the Great Game, just as we did the Georgians before them. When we lose, it's just pawns, anyway, right?

 

[MongGrel]

There is no proof that they are Russian troops. We saw the same accusations wrt Crimea, and it turned out to be pro-Russian militias.

It was ultra-nationalist western Ukrainian militias that toppled the regime in Kiev, of course.

How fucked up is your country in the first place if you have all these armed militias, anyway?

Yeh, sure, it's a gun totin' revolutionary authoritarian followin' dream, but, uhh, really? How did it come to this? Does the West bear no responsibility for its role?

We've played Ukrainians as pawns in the Great Game, just as we did the Georgians before them. When we lose, it's just pawns, anyway, right?

No proof they are Russian troops too damned funny.

You been living under a rock for months ????



You actually still think the ones in Crimea weren't Russian?

OMFG

 

[fskimospy]

There is no proof that they are Russian troops. We saw the same accusations wrt Crimea, and it turned out to be pro-Russian militias.

It was ultra-nationalist western Ukrainian militias that toppled the regime in Kiev, of course.

How fucked up is your country in the first place if you have all these armed militias, anyway?

Yeh, sure, it's a gun totin' revolutionary authoritarian followin' dream, but, uhh, really? How did it come to this? Does the West bear no responsibility for its role?

We've played Ukrainians as pawns in the Great Game, just as we did the Georgians before them. When we lose, it's just pawns, anyway, right?

Did you somehow miss putin's admission that he was lying all along? How naive do you have to be to buy the same lie twice?

 

[zanejohnson]

Did you somehow miss putin's admission that he was lying all along? How naive do you have to be to buy the same lie twice?

no kidding, you can see exactly where the propoganda is working...

we've already established it was russian special forces in Crimea, Putin's admitted it, the so called "pro russian" troops are seen after Crimea invasion on one of the Vice dispatchs taking new orders from a Russian special ops commander, who later shows his passport and identification proving he is in fact, a russian soldier...

it's pretty obvious at this point Putin destabilized Crimea.. by sending special ops troops in to form a rag tag "pro russian force" now Putin will use these "troops" to do the dirty work in Donetsk, Slavaynsk, now Odessa, and.........welp, check it out guys, looks like we have neo-nazi uprising starting in sweden now as well...http://www.thelocal.se/20140502/swedish-church-rings-bell-to-warn-of-neo-nazis

yep it's spreading like a wildfire.


if you can't connect the dots at this point...

WHERE THE FU^% IS ISRAEL!!! that's what this is about!!!

 

[zanejohnson]

twitter is heavily censored now...

 

[Agent11]

I would imagine if they are in fact rebels that they are receiving quite a lot of military assistance. Otherwise it would be improbable for rebels to be leading the goddamn Ukrainian military in KDR, and shooting down helicopters like ducks.

 

[zanejohnson]

and remember..........THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE IMF STATEMENT YESTERDAY......basically the pro russian ukranians are fighting to keep there....IMF aid..which the IMF said they would take away if they lost donetsk and the other Eastern cities..

so basically we have the IMF pushing the conflict (surprise surprise)

we have a bunch of normal everyday folk living in the city,

we have a "pro russian force" occupying the city.....with instruction from the Kremlin, and weoponry as well (cant shoot a chopper down with an AK) they are also calling themselves nazi's btw...

then we have the kremlin (who likely orchestrated it all) now calling an emergency UN meeting........

they're gonna gather international support to move this "anti terrorist" campaign along, to save ethnic russians.........and they will streamroll the entire east..

i just hope we're not dumb enough to retalliate.

 

[Victorian Gray]

There is no proof that they are Russian troops. We saw the same accusations wrt Crimea, and it turned out to be pro-Russian militias.

It was ultra-nationalist western Ukrainian militias that toppled the regime in Kiev, of course.

How fucked up is your country in the first place if you have all these armed militias, anyway?

Yeh, sure, it's a gun totin' revolutionary authoritarian followin' dream, but, uhh, really? How did it come to this? Does the West bear no responsibility for its role?

We've played Ukrainians as pawns in the Great Game, just as we did the Georgians before them. When we lose, it's just pawns, anyway, right?

Apparently you missed the news a couple of weeks ago where Putin admitted to Russian troops being in the Crimea well before the, so-called, referendum.

"At the same time, he recognized for the first time that soldiers in unmarked uniforms – dubbed “little green men” – who swept Ukraine’s Black Sea region of Crimea laying the ground for its annexation by Moscow last month were Russian troops.

Putin, who previously said the troops were part of local self-defence forces, said the Russian soldiers’ presence was necessary to protect the local population from armed radicals and to ensure the holding of a referendum, in which an overwhelming majority of its residents voted for seceding from Ukraine and joining Russia."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-refuses-to-rule-out-intervention-in-donetsk/

also

"Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday rejected claims that Russian special forces are fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine, but recognized for the first time that the troops in unmarked uniforms who had overtaken Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula before its annexation by Moscow were Russian soldiers."

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2023393433_apxrussiaputin.html

And if you think that it's different in the eastern Ukraine perhaps I can interest you in the purchase of a bridge in New York City. I have a couple that I can let go at a really good price.

 

[theeedude]

You have to be precise when you say "Russian Forces" because there are different "Russian" forces in play with varying degrees of opposition, ambivalence, support of regimes in Kiev or Moscow:
-Russian speakers from Ukraine
-Ethnic Russians from Ukraine
-Pro-Russian separatists from Eastern Ukraine, volunteers from Crimea, disgruntled special forces from Kiev.
-Irregular volunteers/Cossacks/mercenaries from Russia in Ukraine
-Russian intelligence/special forces
-Regular Russian military forces (full scale invasion, which is not happening yet as far as I am aware)

 

[cubby1223]

It's a shitty situation all around, and the only way it can stop is if Russia stops pumping the airwaves with their propaganda angering people with lies.

And what's Russia's incentive to stop their propaganda? Obama & Kerry waiving their fingers sternly at Putin? Russia wants this violence, they want the chaos.

 

[Sulaco]

There is no proof that they are Russian troops. We saw the same accusations wrt Crimea, and it turned out to be pro-Russian militias.

Great job broadcasting your ignorance and naïveté.

If you are truly clueless about something, best to keep your mouth shut, before looking an even bigger fool.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/17/russia-putin-crimea-idUKL6N0N921H20140417

President Vladimir Putin said Russian forces had been active in Crimea in order to support local defence forces, the first time he has admitted deployment of Russian troops on the Black Sea peninsula.

"We had to take unavoidable steps so that events did not develop as they are currently developing in southeast Ukraine," Putin said in a televised call-in with the nation. "Of course our troops stood behind Crimea's self-defence forces."

 

[theeedude]

It's a shitty situation all around, and the only way it can stop is if Russia stops pumping the airwaves with their propaganda angering people with lies.

And what's Russia's incentive to stop their propaganda? Obama & Kerry waiving their fingers sternly at Putin? Russia wants this violence, they want the chaos.

Why would Russia stop the propaganda, the violence, and the chaos? To make it easier for NATO to bring Ukraine in as a member? That's not how the world works. The only way it will stop is if there is a deal between Russia and NATO for it to stop.