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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Sukhoi
A lot of city dwellers need to understand there is a big difference between farmers and redneck white trash.

Yes, farmer = someone who gets up at 5AM every morning and works 14-hour days doing all manner of physical labor on their farm.

Redneck white trash = farmer's drunken cousin who moved to the nearest small town and hasn't done a day of farm work in his life.
 

jkersenbr

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I'm a farmer and find the typical stereotype that many urban dwellers have of us to be amusingly ignorant.

By adhering to such a stereotype, one displays the same ignorace, apathy, and narrow-mindedness he supposedly detests.
 

jkersenbr

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: mobobuff
A combine costs more than my house. I wonder how long a farm takes to pay one off.

Cereal grain farmers (wheat, barley, etc) really don't make an awful lot of money. Economically it doesn't make an awful lot of sense. They have $2-3million of land, $800-$900,000 sunk into equipment, $250,000 in buildings & grain storage, etc. All this and they maybe make $100,000/year off of it. Seems kind of silly actually.


Accipiter22,

When the plains were settled back a hundered years ago they surveyed it out into one mile by one mile pieces which are called sections. One section is 640 acres. Each section is split into 4 quarters (160 acres each). a quarter is the smallest piece of land that used to be available (though now of course things have been subdivided beyond that in some areas).

Not sure how things are in the US but here in Canada the heirarchy of land classification is oulined here: Text



QF(A Rare Glimpse of)Truth
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

You make fun of janitors.. yet without them, the vast majority of you would be living in slum.

I don't make fun of janitors... but honestly, I'd rather be dirty than starve to death.

Point is that even the lowliest of the jobs benefit our society. We need them to do our dirtywork. It doesn't make them respectable because of it.

And yet farming isn't a lowly job. It requires not only hard labor, but an education and signifigant knowledge.

And most of you seem to have never met a farmer, and have them confused with white trash trailer park residents... which they are far from.

I've met a farm owner online from playing total annihilation about 8 years ago. I keep in touch every now and then.
I agree that it isn't lowly for many(farm managers, biotech farms).. but it is for most(labor workers).

A field hand is not a farmer. One is a land and business owner, the other is a simple laborer.

I live in central IL. Anything outside of towns here are farms. Every farmer I know makes better than 150 grand a year, is very hard working, yet very clean and educated. They have large farm houses that are either classic and remodeled, or newer homes. They drive nicer cars and trucks than most people and are a major contributor to local economies.

Most of the farms around here are family run and employ few, if any laborers. Corn, wheat and soybeans are not labor intensive like fruits and vegetables.

You live in CA where most of the farming is labor intensive and relies heavily on migrant labor. Yet the farmers themselves are very well off and still work very hard.

And, yet again, if it wasn't for farmers you'd starve to death.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

They might, but I don't. I love farmers. If they didn't grow the food I eat...where would I get it from?

Exactly. God bless them.
 

RelaxTheMind

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I was under the impression that worldwide we extract 60% more fuels/food/trees (disposable resources) than we actually need. Thats not including people who recycle building material and food byproducts. I personally have a garden that provides me with all veggies/fruits I need with little effort. slaughtering, gutting, and chopping up a cow I do tend to leave to other people.
 

thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

farmers are the beneficiaries of what is likely the largest welfare system in the world. who is keeping who from starving?

i don't make fun of the work of farming. i make fun of their constantly-terrified middle american values. i make fun of their mind-blowing pollution to our air and water system and their subsequent finger-pointing and scapegoating for it. i make fun of an industry filled with people who want to stop the illegal immigration that keeps them profitable and that literally and figuratively puts food on their own tables. i make fun of people who receive massive government handouts, are exempt from many of the laws that the rest of us are forced to live by, and who will fight tooth and nail to keep single mothers from getting welfare so they can go to school. sorry, but if the farming industry wasn't filled with people who are so funny, i couldn't make fun of it.
 

DrPizza

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Actually, it depends on what the farmers are growing as to how labor intensive their jobs are... Seriously, think about it for a minute - in this case, growing wheat, they drove quarter million dollar combines. Ever seen the inside of one of those things? Air conditioned, CD, stereo... incredibly comfortable. Essentially, for some types of farming, a significant chunk of the "labor" is driving back and forth. I agree that farmers are hard working - but they're smart. They don't work hard when there's a machine that'll do the job simply. I usually help out a couple of farmers in the area during the summer with haying. Last year, I carried a few hundred bales of hay up into the loft of a barn. The farmer looked at me when I was done and said, "you're nuts to work that hard. I'd have just covered the wagons and waited til tomorrow when the (elevator? whatever they're called) is fixed."
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

farmers are the beneficiaries of what is likely the largest welfare system in the world. who is keeping who from starving?

i don't make fun of the work of farming. i make fun of their constantly-terrified middle american values. i make fun of their mind-blowing pollution to our air and water system and their subsequent finger-pointing and scapegoating for it. i make fun of an industry filled with people who want to stop the illegal immigration that keeps them profitable and that literally and figuratively puts food on their own tables. i make fun of people who receive massive government handouts, are exempt from many of the laws that the rest of us are forced to live by, and who will fight tooth and nail to keep single mothers from getting welfare so they can go to school. sorry, but if the farming industry wasn't filled with people who are so funny, i couldn't make fun of it.

I'm willing to bet you've never met a farmer. You've just heard a crap load of propaganda and parrot it mindlessly.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

farmers are the beneficiaries of what is likely the largest welfare system in the world. who is keeping who from starving?

i don't make fun of the work of farming. i make fun of their constantly-terrified middle american values. i make fun of their mind-blowing pollution to our air and water system and their subsequent finger-pointing and scapegoating for it. i make fun of an industry filled with people who want to stop the illegal immigration that keeps them profitable and that literally and figuratively puts food on their own tables. i make fun of people who receive massive government handouts, are exempt from many of the laws that the rest of us are forced to live by, and who will fight tooth and nail to keep single mothers from getting welfare so they can go to school. sorry, but if the farming industry wasn't filled with people who are so funny, i couldn't make fun of it.

I'm willing to bet you've never met a farmer. You've just heard a crap load of propaganda and parrot it mindlessly.

yeah, farmwork isn't exactly cheap. as previous people said.. combines are 250k+. and land, well, you need LOTS of it. land isn't cheap. then you need seed, water, etc. farming, i suspect, is incredibly expensive, and for smaller farms, offers very little monetary reward, if i'm not mistaken.
 

wfbberzerker

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Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

seriously

i make fun of my government, yet without one, my life would be a lot worse than it is now.

lighten up.
 

Eos

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Okay. Those are ENORMOUS combines. They are so big, the tractor trailer doing the delivery has extentions for the trailer to make it wider. And it is still hanging over the edge.
 

yowolabi

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I don't think farmers are lowly in any way, but please cut out the "without farmers you'd starve to death" nonsense.

In an end of the world scenario, i'm more than capable of planting and harvesting enough crops to feed just myself. Running a huge farm might be beyond me, but i'm pretty sure i wouldn't just stare at a patch of concrete until I died wondering why the corn hadn't sprung up yet.
 

sygyzy

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

Did you know that many farmers are subsized by the government? That they are told/forced to farm even when there isd absolutely no need for their crop? That huge silos hold their grains with months or years of excess? And no, this is not "in case of an emergency." Farmers obviously are extremely valuable and provide us food but farming isn't what it used to be and being a farmer now is not the same as it was 50-100 years ago.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Amused
I find it uniquely funny how people make fun of the very hand that feeds them.

You all make fun of farmers, yet without them the vast majority of you would starve to death.

Did you know that many farmers are subsized by the government? That they are told/forced to farm even when there isd absolutely no need for their crop? That huge silos hold their grains with months or years of excess? And no, this is not "in case of an emergency." Farmers obviously are extremely valuable and provide us food but farming isn't what it used to be and being a farmer now is not the same as it was 50-100 years ago.

Irrelevant. Farmers are not the white trash trailer park welfare slobs people on these forums make them out to be.

Funny how liberals demand government action when family farms start to fade away and throw "Farm Aid" concerts, then bitch and moan about farm subsidies. WTF?
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: yowolabi
I don't think farmers are lowly in any way, but please cut out the "without farmers you'd starve to death" nonsense.

In an end of the world scenario, i'm more than capable of planting and harvesting enough crops to feed just myself. Running a huge farm might be beyond me, but i'm pretty sure i wouldn't just stare at a patch of concrete until I died wondering why the corn hadn't sprung up yet.

Really? How many crops have you grown? Do you really think it's as easy as putting seeds in the ground and watching them grow?
 

yowolabi

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: yowolabi
I don't think farmers are lowly in any way, but please cut out the "without farmers you'd starve to death" nonsense.

In an end of the world scenario, i'm more than capable of planting and harvesting enough crops to feed just myself. Running a huge farm might be beyond me, but i'm pretty sure i wouldn't just stare at a patch of concrete until I died wondering why the corn hadn't sprung up yet.

Really? How many crops have you grown? Do you really think it's as easy as putting seeds in the ground and watching them grow?

Let me counter with another question. Are you of the opinion that food didnt grow until human beings came along and put up farms?
 

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Lifer
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Man Amused, you took a couple of innocent comments and turned this into a debate thread. Lighten up. :thumbsdown:
 

Pikachu

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You can't be serious! It will take you months to get anything at all out of the ground. That is if you have enough ground to make a difference anyway. To feed one family daily for any length of time would require serious acreage. In an emergency situation, you would be fighting off bands of looters on top of everything else. This only applies if you live in an area that doesn't have winter, and urbanized. I really think this issue is best left at the status quo.