So odds of govt shutdown, Part II?

[JEDI]

Jan deadline is almost here.
House repubs are leaving for xmas break in a week (12/13).

house repubs wants to reduce the sequester part II (~$100B) which kicks in Jan 2014. It would cut military spending.
some Senate repubs DONT want to reduce the Sequester part II because it will increase the federal deficit.

House Dems (pelosi) wants ANOTHER extension of the Federal unemployment benefits even tho unemployment has dropped to the lowest (7%) during Obama's reign.

Dems don't seem too opposed to reducing the Sequestor part II.
but repubs are opposed to extending the handouts.

also, farm bill (handouts the repubs favor) and food stamps (repubs dont like) expire too.


I don't think the GOP is stupid enuf to do another govt shutdown, but I also don't think theres going to be a deal in a week.

I sense continuing resolution.

 

[Jhhnn]

Repubs prioritize handouts to military contractors for the unnecessary above handouts to the unfortunate to feed their kids.

Because Terrarists! Welfare Queens! The evil Obama! & Freedumb!

It's all coming into focus.

 

[compuwiz1]

Dems will probably shut down the government again. Harry Reid and his will not negotiate squad will do it again. In the end all the Repubs wanted was a delay in the ACA individual mandate, which has been proven is not ready for the market yet. If these ass clowns would actually pass a budget, instead of these CRs, we wouldn't have to keep going through this bullshit. Sigh......that's what happens when you have an old ass leader and a senate controlled by the democrats.

 

[Lash444]

Dems will probably shut down the government again. Harry Reid and his will not negotiate squad will do it again. In the end all the Repubs wanted was a delay in the ACA individual mandate, which has been proven is not ready for the market yet. If these ass clowns would actually pass a budget, instead of these CRs, we wouldn't have to keep going through this bullshit. Sigh......that's what happens when you have an old ass leader and a senate controlled by the democrats.

Do the other republicans on this board believe this is the real story? I'm curious.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dems will probably shut down the government again. Harry Reid and his will not negotiate squad will do it again. In the end all the Repubs wanted was a delay in the ACA individual mandate, which has been proven is not ready for the market yet. If these ass clowns would actually pass a budget, instead of these CRs, we wouldn't have to keep going through this bullshit. Sigh......that's what happens when you have an old ass leader and a senate controlled by the democrats.

So this is just another right wing troll, correct?

I addressed the substance of your post, perhaps you'd care to address the substance of mine rather than just duh-verting into the usual tangential talking points of misplaced blame.

Repubs' grandstanding & posturing over the debt limit is just an attempt to welch on deals they've already made when they helped pass various tax & spending measures. It's dishonest pandering to their base of fools & ravers. If that's you, then own up to it.

 

[compuwiz1]

So this is just another right wing troll, correct?

I addressed the substance of your post, perhaps you'd care to address the substance of mine rather than just duh-verting into the usual tangential talking points of misplaced blame.

Repubs' grandstanding & posturing over the debt limit is just an attempt to welch on deals they've already made when they helped pass various tax & spending measures. It's dishonest pandering to their base of fools & ravers. If that's you, then own up to it.

Troll not found. Fact. We've been through this same discussion before. Same shit, part II coming up.

Who really shut down the government?

http://townhall.com/columnists/thom...o-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/full

 

[ivwshane]

Do the other republicans on this board believe this is the real story? I'm curious.

He's not a republican, he's a righty. Yes there is a difference. Republicans aren't afraid to compromise and support conservative ideas no matter who comes up with them. Righties live in their own alternate reality and put party first before their country, they are also immune to facts that go against their gut feelings or contradict their beliefs.

In summary; righties are retarded and republicans are a dying breed and you won't find too many of them in the public any more,

 

[thraashman]

Troll not found. Fact. We've been through this same discussion before. Same shit, part II coming up.

Who really shut down the government?

http://townhall.com/columnists/thom...o-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/full

townhall.com lol. I love how full of shit that article is, but considering what site it's on and who posted it, not surprising at all.

 

[Slew Foot]

Stock market hit a new high since the last time they shut it down. I say shut it down every couple months.

 

[Zaap]

Stock market hit a new high since the last time they shut it down. I say shut it down every couple months.

They are shut down. It's the weekend.

I know, I know- you meant the political theatre variety of shutdown.

Yeah, they should do that more often too.

 

[Jhhnn]

Troll not found. Fact. We've been through this same discussion before. Same shit, part II coming up.

Who really shut down the government?

http://townhall.com/columnists/thom...o-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/full

So, uhh, you're derailing your own thread to argue about the ACA & who shut down the govt the last time?

You never mentioned it in the OP, but now you seem to want to run for the cover of obfuscation. First you say that Repubs aren't stupid enough to go for another shutdown, and now you say it wasn't them, but rather Dems who did it, anyway.

Can't have it both ways, other than in the faith based delusion of the right wing.

 

[michal1980]

0.0000000000000000001

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So, uhh, you're derailing your own thread to argue about the ACA & who shut down the govt the last time?

You never mentioned it in the OP, but now you seem to want to run for the cover of obfuscation. First you say that Repubs aren't stupid enough to go for another shutdown, and now you say it wasn't them, but rather Dems who did it, anyway.

Can't have it both ways, other than in the faith based delusion of the right wing.

No to say he isn't delusional, but he isn't the OP.

 

[rudeguy]

Stock market hit a new high since the last time they shut it down. I say shut it down every couple months.

shut that thing down for good!

We don't need them. This was proved last time when they actually had to spend money to make citizens feel like they need the government.


Fire all these assholes.

 

[Jhhnn]

No to say he isn't delusional, but he isn't the OP.

Thank You. My mistake.

 

[unokitty]

From the Washington Post:

Real effort had to be taken and precise instruction had to be given to round up barricades and have them installed in a clumsy, visible way that would block pedestrians from entering the memorial. It was an effort to supply a pathetic visual that would highlight the sad dysfunction of the government in Washington, and obviously blame Republicans. It will be worth knowing – and I hope Congress pursues it – the precise steps that had to be taken through the government’s organization chart to deploy resources to place barricades that would trap American veterans in a photo-op intended to serve the president’s political interest.

When the Obama administration sent armed guards to block the normally unstaffed public plaza that holds the WW II Memorial, they demonstrated their desperation to make the so called 'shutdown' relevant to the average American.

What Obama demonstrated is that his loyalty is not to America or Americans that in fact his loyalty is to government workers and the ruling politicians. And if you aren't one of them, his administration will do their best to disrupt your life.

By demonstrating their loyalty to the Obama Administration rather than the American people, the 'government employees' showed a great disdain for the US tax payers that fund their position.

What the shutdown demonstrated to me is that the 'nonessential' government employees that didn't work during the shut down don't impact my life at all. Perhaps we should consider whether of not 'nonessential' employees shouldn't be permanently laid off.

It also demonstrated that even during a shut down, the Obama Administration could find estra money to send extra workers and armed guards to shut down public places like the WW II memorial.

Government for the people and by the people?

More like government for the government workers and the ruling political class and screw the people.

So if you aren't a government employee, what part of just shut up and pay your taxes don't you understand?

Uno

 

[cubby1223]

Odds of a gov't shutdown?

Equal to the odds Democratic pollsters believe Republicans are going to be blamed by the public for the shutdown.

 

[cubby1223]

So this is just another right wing troll, correct?

Do you even know what the word "troll" means? Here's a clue:

Because Terrarists! Welfare Queens! The evil Obama! & Freedumb!

 

[fskimospy]

It is interesting to watch conservatives attempt to rewrite history so recently after it happened. Republicans caused the previous government shutdown. This is simply a fact. They will not shut down the government again so soon because it worked out badly for them last time. It is seriously amazing that you guys have found a way to absolve the hostage taker of fault and instead blame the people who said they wouldn't negotiate with hostage takers.

Basic logic says that if the democrats caused the shutdown and got a big bump in the polls for it that they would shut down the government at every opportunity. They don't do that.

 

[cubby1223]

It is interesting to watch conservatives attempt to rewrite history so recently after it happened. Republicans caused the previous government shutdown. This is simply a fact. They will not shut down the government again so soon because it worked out badly for them last time. It is seriously amazing that you guys have found a way to absolve the hostage taker of fault and instead blame the people who said they wouldn't negotiate with hostage takers.

Basic logic says that if the democrats caused the shutdown and got a big bump in the polls for it that they would shut down the government at every opportunity. They don't do that.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35621386

It was the Democrats that wanted a shorter period in order to undo more of sequestration.

You said yourself the Democrats are using these fights to enforce their vision of government. You acknowledge that Republicans wanted a greater increase between fights while the Dems wanted a shorter length of time.

So exactly how do you lay the blame? Both sides had plenty of opportunities to keep the government running, and both sides chose not to "cave in". You just happen to agree with the policies of the Democrats, so you believe the Republicans are the side to blame. That is called personal bias.

Both sides willingly let the government shut down in the attempt to gain greater control over government. The Democrats won the last round and believe they will win the next round. If the Democrats believe they gain greater control with a government shutdown, they will not compromise on their demands in the budget fight, even if it means a government shutdown.

 

[fskimospy]

That's not what my post said. If you want to say that democrats were responsible for a few extra hours of government shutdown due to their willingness to get the debt ceiling hiked the way they wanted it that's fine. The other 99.9% of it was indisputably on the republicans.

Attempting to assign equal blame to the party taking hostages and the party not giving in to the hostage demands is simply revisionist history. What is funny is that the republicans were PROUD to say they were shutting the government down until it turned into a catastrophe. Then they pretend it never happened and they expect to be able to fool gullible people.

 

[Moonbeam]

He's not a republican, he's a righty. Yes there is a difference. Republicans aren't afraid to compromise and support conservative ideas no matter who comes up with them. Righties live in their own alternate reality and put party first before their country, they are also immune to facts that go against their gut feelings or contradict their beliefs.

In summary; righties are retarded and republicans are a dying breed and you won't find too many of them in the public any more,

I don't know but it sounds like a brain defect to me. It also sounds like trouble. I'd hate to imagine a parent putting their kids on a bus with a driver living in an altered reality. He could drive um right off a cliff. Shit.

 

[fskimospy]

If people can put aside their personal bias and look at the situation rationally it can't be more clear. As a condition for keeping the government running republicans demanded a policy concession that democrats would not make. That is the beginning and end of it.

It is not possible to make a logical argument that if you demand that I give you something and I refuse that we are both equally blameworthy of the outcome. You created the situation with your demand.

 

[Moonbeam]

From the Washington Post:
When the Obama administration sent armed guards to block the normally unstaffed public plaza that holds the WW II Memorial, they demonstrated their desperation to make the so called 'shutdown' relevant to the average American.

What Obama demonstrated is that his loyalty is not to America or Americans that in fact his loyalty is to government workers and the ruling politicians. And if you aren't one of them, his administration will do their best to disrupt your life.

By demonstrating their loyalty to the Obama Administration rather than the American people, the 'government employees' showed a great disdain for the US tax payers that fund their position.

What the shutdown demonstrated to me is that the 'nonessential' government employees that didn't work during the shut down don't impact my life at all. Perhaps we should consider whether of not 'nonessential' employees shouldn't be permanently laid off.

It also demonstrated that even during a shut down, the Obama Administration could find estra money to send extra workers and armed guards to shut down public places like the WW II memorial.

Government for the people and by the people?

More like government for the government workers and the ruling political class and screw the people.

So if you aren't a government employee, what part of just shut up and pay your taxes don't you understand?

Uno

Man oh man are you a stupid dunce. See that microphone in Carllin's hand? All he cares about is getting a bunch of laughing hyenas in a room who are willing to pay to hear how stupid they are. I'm telling you for free.

 

[rudeguy]

Man oh man are you a stupid dunce. See that microphone in Carllin's hand? All he cares about is getting a bunch of laughing hyenas in a room who are willing to pay to hear how stupid they are. I'm telling you for free.

And all DC cares about is getting more of your money to the people they care about.

And someone tell the op this would be version 34 or 35 of the shutdown.