So, now that we have gotten to know Sarah Palin...

[techs]

Now that we actually know something about Palin, and are not merely repeating the talking points when she was nominated, how do you see her selection?

For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

After the convention, when it got down to the nitty gritty, I think the nomination has totally backfired. I am very surprised at how many people feel she is unqualified, and then cite McCains age and health.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: techs
For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

She was a decent enough choice to win the election. There are people who will vote for her because she has tits and a vag, and well, she still has those.

And she's not really extreme on anything.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well it's a good example of his judgment being extremely questionable.

 

[Rainsford]

The thing is, I don't think she HAS given us anything more than the talking points. She's basically acting like a McCain campaign spokesperson, not a potential VP. I don't know anything about HER, or why I'd trust her as VP or President.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: techs
Topic Title: So, now that we have gotten to know Sarah Palin...
Topic Summary: was she a good choice for McCain?

Now that we actually know something about Palin, and are not merely repeating the talking points when she was nominated, how do you see her selection?

For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

After the convention, when it got down to the nitty gritty, I think the nomination has totally backfired. I am very surprised at how many people feel she is unqualified, and then cite McCains age and health.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

I just spoke to family members that will be voting for McCain/Palin because they fear Obama because he is a Muslim and part of the Pelosi Democrats that ruined the economy 2 weeks ago and they are ecstatic over Palin and wish it was her at the top of the ticket instead of McCain.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
Topic Title: So, now that we have gotten to know Sarah Palin...
Topic Summary: was she a good choice for McCain?

Now that we actually know something about Palin, and are not merely repeating the talking points when she was nominated, how do you see her selection?

For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

After the convention, when it got down to the nitty gritty, I think the nomination has totally backfired. I am very surprised at how many people feel she is unqualified, and then cite McCains age and health.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

I just spoke to family members that will be voting for McCain/Palin because they fear Obama because he is a Muslim and part of the Pelosi Democrats that ruined the economy 2 weeks ago and they are ecstatic over Palin and wish it was her at the top of the ticket instead of McCain.

Kinda throws new light on the genetics versus environment debate.

 

[Farang]

The most optimistic thing I can say about her from a McCain campaign perspective is that she gave him his only lead for a few days. If you're of the opinion that there was no stopping this Democratic year, I guess he achieved something. But the pessimistic view would be that she does nothing if not hurt him now while instead he could've had Romney helping him pick up Michigan and defending his economic message or some other choice like that.

 

[Moonbeam]

A tremendous choice. McCain knows Obama is better so he's unconsciously helping him to win by nominating a fruit bar fundie.

 

[TechAZ]

A horrible choice. The more she opens her mouth, the worse it is for McCain. Not only that, but there are many people out there like myself who are starting to see the Obama ticket as not so bad after all.

 

[techs]

I probably should have put something in the post about comparing Obama's choice of Biden to Mccains choice of Palin.
I think Obama scored HUGE points with what is perceived by Americans as his choice of a qualified person and McCains choice of a flippin moron.
I think it reminded people of Bushes choices like "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie" and further associated McCain with Bush.

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: techs
Now that we actually know something about Palin, and are not merely repeating the talking points when she was nominated, how do you see her selection?

For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

After the convention, when it got down to the nitty gritty, I think the nomination has totally backfired. I am very surprised at how many people feel she is unqualified, and then cite McCains age and health.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

Awesome post techs! You and I never agree, but I think you are dead on with Palin. Palin could have won the election for McCain by: (1) rallying the Republican base; (2) capturing a good fraction of Hillary supporters and (3) energizing working class white voters in crucial swing states.

However, once Palin got off script and you heard how unprepared she really was, she was left with only (1) and that's not enough for McCain. The polls' downward trend since Palin began giving interviews reveals all. Had she been able to think on her feet and speak knowledgeably on the issues, McCain would be leading by ten points or more in the swing states (MI, MN, FL, OH, VA).

Personally, I really liked her in the beginning, but I have to admit that she's just a liability for McCain now.

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
A horrible choice. The more she opens her mouth, the worse it is for McCain. Not only that, but there are many people out there like myself who are starting to see the Obama ticket as not so bad after all.

+1

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
However, once Palin got off script and you heard how unprepared she really was, she was left with only (1) and that's not enough for McCain. The polls' downward trend since Palin began giving interviews reveals all. Had she been able to think on her feet and speak knowledgeably on the issues, McCain would be leading by ten points or more in the swing states (MI, MN, FL, OH, VA).

Except that's also when the financial crisis began. Probably a more important factor.

Bush I won a landslide in 1988 with Dan Quayle around. I'm sure, though, the McCain camp will keep her mouth shut for the next month.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

She was a decent enough choice to win the election. There are people who will vote for her because she has tits and a vag, and well, she still has those.

And she's not really extreme on anything.

That depends - if a lot of people hold the view can it be extreme?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

She was a decent enough choice to win the election. There are people who will vote for her because she has tits and a vag, and well, she still has those.

And she's not really extreme on anything.

That depends - if a lot of people hold the view can it be extreme?

Generally, I'd say no. Her abortion position is certainly right of center, but I wouldn't call it any more extreme than what some lefties believe.

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
However, once Palin got off script and you heard how unprepared she really was, she was left with only (1) and that's not enough for McCain. The polls' downward trend since Palin began giving interviews reveals all. Had she been able to think on her feet and speak knowledgeably on the issues, McCain would be leading by ten points or more in the swing states (MI, MN, FL, OH, VA).

Except that's also when the financial crisis began. Probably a more important factor.

Bush I won a landslide in 1988 with Dan Quayle around. I'm sure, though, the McCain camp will keep her mouth shut for the next month.

I don't know. Maybe its because I'm closer to the banking crisis than most Americans but I don't see much that leads me to believe that the Obama is or would be any better on that than McCain. I still think it's the Palin effect.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

She was a decent enough choice to win the election. There are people who will vote for her because she has tits and a vag, and well, she still has those.

And she's not really extreme on anything.

That depends - if a lot of people hold the view can it be extreme?

Generally, I'd say no. Her abortion position is certainly right of center, but I wouldn't call it any more extreme than what some lefties believe.

She holds all kinds of extreme views - economic, role of government, use of force, etc. You would need to argue they're not extreme because she's not alone.

Think what was not extreme regarding slavery in the South in 1850, in Jew policies in 1941 Germany, on women's right to vote in late 18th century America.

After I was born, there were states in the US it was not extreme to ban blacks from eating, to imprison gays for sex, to outlaw mixed-race marriage.

 

[Harvey]

McCain is "Dumb" to Palin's "Dumber."

Dumb and Dumber. :laugh:

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

She was a decent enough choice to win the election. There are people who will vote for her because she has tits and a vag, and well, she still has those.

And she's not really extreme on anything.

That depends - if a lot of people hold the view can it be extreme?

Generally, I'd say no. Her abortion position is certainly right of center, but I wouldn't call it any more extreme than what some lefties believe.

She holds all kinds of extreme views - economic, role of government, use of force, etc. You would need to argue they're not extreme because she's not alone.

Think what was not extreme regarding slavery in the South in 1850, in Jew policies in 1941 Germany, on women's right to vote in late 18th century America.

After I was born, there were states in the US it was not extreme to ban blacks from eating, to imprison gays for sex, to outlaw mixed-race marriage.

You and I must have a different criteria for "extreme" views. I've not heard Palin say anything to date that is not supported by huge swaths of the American electorate. I've heard extreme views attributed to her by others, but those are not her views unless she's on record.

Certainly the fact that she's an Evangelical Christian does not make here extreme insofar as that includes 25-30% of the U.S. population.

I've come to believe that Palin is unqualified to be Vice President but it's not because her views are extreme even though I, for one, don't share them.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

She was the curveball in McCain's arsenal. These past few weeks she has had to define herself from the unknown govonor she was previously, and has been hit or miss in those showings.

Ultimatley, I think she was an ok choice. Her policies aren't the sharpest, but I don't think the impact of her publicity could have been matched by a Romney or Pawlenty. She's infused an unorthodox face and sense of small town Americana morals into the Republican ticket. But ultimatley I think she's as much a phenomenon as Obama continues to be.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I initially thought she was a bad choice because she defused Senator McCain's "experience" argument against Senator Obama, which I thought was the strongest issue he had. After the acceptance speech at the RNC, I thought she might make up some ground by re-energizing the Republican base, though I didn't see how she would help at all with the independent voters the Republicans needed to extend their hold on the White House.

Then came the interviews. She showed no indication (even in the Palin/Hannity Mutual Admiration Society Meeting) that she had any apparent qualification for the vice presidency. I decided Governor Palin was a bad choice simply because she was a bad choice.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
Topic Title: So, now that we have gotten to know Sarah Palin...
Topic Summary: was she a good choice for McCain?

Now that we actually know something about Palin, and are not merely repeating the talking points when she was nominated, how do you see her selection?

For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

After the convention, when it got down to the nitty gritty, I think the nomination has totally backfired. I am very surprised at how many people feel she is unqualified, and then cite McCains age and health.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

I just spoke to family members that will be voting for McCain/Palin because they fear Obama because he is a Muslim and part of the Pelosi Democrats that ruined the economy 2 weeks ago and they are ecstatic over Palin and wish it was her at the top of the ticket instead of McCain.

yeah right the Democrats ruined the economy....rofl.....

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
yeah right the Democrats ruined the economy....rofl.....

Obviously they did it since Nov 06. You know, that is when gas prices started to skyrocket (even further) and when housing collapsed the financial system.

Imagine how simple the average person could view this.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
However, once Palin got off script and you heard how unprepared she really was, she was left with only (1) and that's not enough for McCain. The polls' downward trend since Palin began giving interviews reveals all. Had she been able to think on her feet and speak knowledgeably on the issues, McCain would be leading by ten points or more in the swing states (MI, MN, FL, OH, VA).

Except that's also when the financial crisis began. Probably a more important factor.

Bush I won a landslide in 1988 with Dan Quayle around. I'm sure, though, the McCain camp will keep her mouth shut for the next month.

Guess not, since she made the comment about Obama being pals with terrorists tonight.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: techs
I probably should have put something in the post about comparing Obama's choice of Biden to Mccains choice of Palin.
I think Obama scored HUGE points with what is perceived by Americans as his choice of a qualified person and McCains choice of a flippin moron.
I think it reminded people of Bushes choices like "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie" and further associated McCain with Bush.

I thought Biden was a awful choice at the time Obama named him. I thought Obama would have done much better to pick Janet Napolitano or Richards. When the Palin selection was announced I thought McCain had the election wrapped up as long as there wasn't anything truly horrific in Palin's past. Boy was I wrong. Once Palin opened her mouth the sun shone again (through her ears).