So now that the crowd has been thinned...

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I find myself liking Huckabee more and more. I just listened to one of his stump speeches on CNN. That's the second or third time in the last week that I've sat down and paid attention to what he's saying. And when I contrast what he was saying against the usual tripe you hear from McCain there's just no contest in my mind.

I need to do a bit more studying on my end (TBH I haven't really been paying attention because none of the "leading" candidates did anything for me) but he's hitting all my hot points and he's the only one left with actual execuitive level experience. I don't think he can win against either Hill or Obama in the general election but I guess I'd rather have an actual dem in office than a D in R's clothing like McCain.

 

[nageov3t]

the problem with Huckabee is, you know... his record. heh.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: loki8481
the problem with Huckabee is, you know... his record. heh.

Yeah... part of me has that sinking feeling that he's just the least ugly girl left in the bar at 2am.

 

[Rainsford]

I think Huckabee would be great, far better than the alternatives from the Republicans, if only he wasn't such a religious wackjob. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with whatever someone believes, but Huckabee gives me the worst vibes when it comes to the question of whether or not he'd be a President who happens to be a conservative Christian, or a Conservative Christian President. I think one of the worst features of Bush's Presidency has been his relentless disrespect for people who don't share his religious beliefs, and the wedge he seems intent on driving between conservative Christians and everyone else. And as much as I'm not a huge McCain fan, at least he probably won't continue this ridiculous religious bullshit. Huckabee, on the other hand, seems entirely likely to be unable to separate his personal religious beliefs from the decisions he makes on the job.

Like I said, but for this one issue, I like Huckabee. But I think one of the biggest dangers to this country is religious people who don't seem able to keep their religion to themselves. I don't think we need another President who's champion of the conservative Christians.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I think Huckabee would be great, far better than the alternatives from the Republicans, if only he wasn't such a religious wackjob. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with whatever someone believes, but Huckabee gives me the worst vibes when it comes to the question of whether or not he'd be a President who happens to be a conservative Christian, or a Conservative Christian President. I think one of the worst features of Bush's Presidency has been his relentless disrespect for people who don't share his religious beliefs, and the wedge he seems intent on driving between conservative Christians and everyone else. And as much as I'm not a huge McCain fan, at least he probably won't continue this ridiculous religious bullshit. Huckabee, on the other hand, seems entirely likely to be unable to separate his personal religious beliefs from the decisions he makes on the job.

Like I said, but for this one issue, I like Huckabee. But I think one of the biggest dangers to this country is religious people who don't seem able to keep their religion to themselves. I don't think we need another President who's champion of the conservative Christians.

I really haven't seen him as a religious whack-job so far. But like I said I've only just now started paying any attention to him. And even if he is, he strikes me as someone who is going to be far less in-your-face about his personal beliefs than Dubbya. Dub is a black/white, simple concept thinker. Huck seems a little deeper than that.

 

[Lemon law]

Well. far right Republirats just have to face the facts. Its Huckabee or McCain as can be seen by anyone with a brain. Only one thing can save the far right from that reality and thats to throw all their support behind Huckabee in the remaining primaries. And if conservatives can then deadlock the GOP convention, they then have a small remaining CHANCE to advance someone of their choosing as a compromise candidate.

But it then defaults back to their previous problem. The conservatives entered a plethora of candidates into the 08 primaries, and all of them flopped with the GOP electorate. But rather than GOP conservatives admitting to the fact they have been soundly rejected, they feed upon themselves and convince themselves that they have some remaining importance and the power of a veto. More image over substance denial is par for the course from the Republican right.

 

[Farang]

I'm glad you posted this because I just saw a "Best of Huckabee" video on CNN and the man would be a formidable candidate if he could keep his religion in check (it is why he wins some states and hits rock bottom in others). His populist message would counter the Democrats and he comes across as likable which would counter the 'big bad GOP' message. The problem with McCain is his only strength is national security, but a Republican doesn't need to have that. They are naturally assumed to be strong and can pick up that mantle at will, look at Bush vs. Kerry. The former naval officer and war veteran loses national security to Bush.

The media has been irresponsible in their reporting of him, they turned it into a 2-man race way too early.

 

[ProfJohn]

One of the weekly newsmags printed a bit about how our current primary system can result in the candidate that is least acceptable to the majority of people being choosen.

Look at the results from Tuesday, I don't think McCain got over 50% in any of the states. Which means the majority of Republicans liked someone other than McCain.

I'll have to look for the article and start a thread about it, had some very interesting things within it.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well. far right Republirats just have to face the facts. Its Huckabee or McCain as can be seen by anyone with a brain. Only one thing can save the far right from that reality and thats to throw all their support behind Huckabee in the remaining primaries. And if conservatives can then deadlock the GOP convention, they then have a small remaining CHANCE to advance someone of their choosing as a compromise candidate.

But it then defaults back to their previous problem. The conservatives entered a plethora of candidates into the 08 primaries, and all of them flopped with the GOP electorate. But rather than GOP conservatives admitting to the fact they have been soundly rejected, they feed upon themselves and convince themselves that they have some remaining importance and the power of a veto. More image over substance denial is par for the course from the Republican right.

I don't see it quite like that. I see the Rs as being torn between running as conservatives and running to win. I think right now the Rs are somewhat selling their soul to run a guy who has a good chance to win rather than regrouping, rediscovering their core and making a solid push for 2012.

It's the win now, win at all costs mentality that drives me nuts about both parties. Neither side cares what candidate wins so long as their party controls the seat. And when you don't care about the person in the seat you get the crap leadership we have now. And that's one reason why I wouldn't be upset to see Obama win it all either. He's definitely not someone I agree with on most issues but he seems to be a good person.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Look at the results from Tuesday, I don't think McCain got over 50% in any of the states. Which means the majority of Republicans liked someone other than McCain.

He got only about 30-35% of the Conservative vote.

 

[FoBoT]

Huck has won the Kansas caucuses, they are very conservative, so i guess they decided to stick their thumbs in McCain's eye

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Look at the results from Tuesday, I don't think McCain got over 50% in any of the states. Which means the majority of Republicans liked someone other than McCain.

He got only about 30-35% of the Conservative vote.

he got +50% in NJ, NY, and CT, all of which have closed primaries afaik.

true story: we're republicans too, even if we don't adhere to your specific brand of scorched earth conservatism.

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta love Farand---I'm glad you posted this because I just saw a "Best of Huckabee" video on CNN.

Where is the worst of Huckabee video?

But all kidding aside, when you look at the Huckabee record, he is not some religious kook and had some sound pragmatic solutions to Arkansas problems that created a positive record. Both McCain and Huckabee show some pragmatic basing in reality. And I was thrilled to see the total GOP phonies in Giuliani and Romney flop in the GOP primaries. Even if the GOP leadership is still delusional, the GOP electorate is far less delusional. The GOP electorate got fooled by GWB&co. and once burned twice wary.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: loki8481
the problem with Huckabee is, you know... his record. heh.

Yeah... part of me has that sinking feeling that he's just the least ugly girl left in the bar at 2am.

I laughed :thumbsup:

 

[compuwiz1]

American is not ready for another Republican Pres. The election will go to a Dem this year...sorry, but thanks for playing.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Gotta love Farand---I'm glad you posted this because I just saw a "Best of Huckabee" video on CNN.

Where is the worst of Huckabee video?

But all kidding aside, when you look at the Huckabee record, he is not some religious kook and had some sound pragmatic solutions to Arkansas problems that created a positive record. Both McCain and Huckabee show some pragmatic basing in reality. And I was thrilled to see the total GOP phonies in Giuliani and Romney flop in the GOP primaries. Even if the GOP leadership is still delusional, the GOP electorate is far less delusional. The GOP electorate got fooled by GWB&co. and once burned twice wary.

No, you've missed the boat again, Lemon.

McCain and Huckabee share one thing in common. No, it's not the phony (R) behind their names. They both espouse populism; Populist ideas.

Either of these two fools would be an absolute disaster for this country.