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So now that Obama 'Won' will he come to the table?

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michal1980

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he got his clean bill (fairly clean)

Will he actually negotiate now?

Will the lMSM call him out if he and the democrats once again dig in and wont negotiate? or will the once again run coverage for their democrat buddies?
 
What should he negotiate on? This is the part that I don't think you understand. If the Republicans can only offer burning down the house as part of a negotiation then they have nothing to offer.

What is this negotiation you are speaking of?
 
AViking said:
What should he negotiate on? This is the part that I don't think you understand. If the Republicans can only offer burning down the house as part of a negotiation then they have nothing to offer.

What is this negotiation you are speaking of?
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Passing a budget would be a nice start.
 
Republicans want to barter with burning down the house Democrats just want to keep making additions to the house with no way to pay for it. Who's winning here?
 
"No negotiations Obama" has nothing of value worth trading for at this point. The entire premise of deciding a budget and spending priorities in advance is dead, government by continuing resolution is the new norm. And by doing nothing the GOP will get spending cuts anyway; sequester for FY2014 is already set to go in January with 7% plus cuts to non-defense discretionary funding. And good luck with any of Obama's other legislative priorities as well.
 
glenn1 said:
"No negotiations Obama" has nothing of value worth trading for at this point. The entire premise of deciding a budget and spending priorities in advance is dead, government by continuing resolution is the new norm. And by doing nothing the GOP will get spending cuts anyway; sequester for FY2014 is already set to go in January with 7% plus cuts to non-defense discretionary funding. And good luck with any of Obama's other legislative priorities as well.
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Hey glenn, you were really an expert political predictor on the whole shutdown/default thing. lol. You also claimed Obama had nothing of value to trade then, and it ended in basically his unconditional victory. No pause to think why you might have been wrong?

Obama will come to the table here, but Republicans aren't going to like what he tells them. Now that they aren't (currently) holding the government/national credit hostage, they would actually need to compromise in order to get what they want. That will mean higher tax revenues.

If Republicans are willing to accept tax increases they can probably get quite a bit in return. If they aren't...well... they were never serious about coming to the table to begin with.
 
eskimospy said:
Hey glenn, you were really an expert political predictor on the whole shutdown/default thing. lol. You also claimed Obama had nothing of value to trade then, and it ended in basically his unconditional victory. No pause to think why you might have been wrong?

Obama will come to the table here, but Republicans aren't going to like what he tells them. Now that they aren't (currently) holding the government/national credit hostage, they would actually need to compromise in order to get what they want. That will mean higher tax revenues.

If Republicans are willing to accept tax increases they can probably get quite a bit in return. If they aren't...well... they were never serious about coming to the table to begin with.
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Again, why should Republicans "compromise" when spending cuts are automatically going into effect with the next round of sequester? And exactly do you think Obama is going to offer in return for higher tax rates? I'm not sure what leverage you think Obama has here.
 
eskimospy said:
Hey glenn, you were really an expert political predictor on the whole shutdown/default thing. lol. You also claimed Obama had nothing of value to trade then, and it ended in basically his unconditional victory. No pause to think why you might have been wrong?

Obama will come to the table here, but Republicans aren't going to like what he tells them. Now that they aren't (currently) holding the government/national credit hostage, they would actually need to compromise in order to get what they want. That will mean higher tax revenues.

If Republicans are willing to accept tax increases they can probably get quite a bit in return. If they aren't...well... they were never serious about coming to the table to begin with.
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And this is good? Even more money out of our pockets to pay for a bigger "efficiently" run government?
 
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Angry Irishman said:
And this is good? Even more money out of our pockets to pay for a bigger "efficiently" run government?
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No, it's not good that Republicans refuse to raise taxes on our highest earners. If they trade spending cuts for higher tax rates, well that isn't exactly creating a bigger government, now is it? This is about lowering the deficit.
 
Amazing, that some people refuse to see that this sitting President has been doing nothing but reaching out, and trying to offer things on the table. The Republicans had many many opportunities to get what they wanted and snubbed him.

The damage is done though, the Tea party crazies did a damn fine job of killing the Republicans and now we have the elections just around the corner. If the tea party idiots do this again in 12 weeks or so they will seal their fate at the polls.

Corey Booker was helped tremendously by all this, and he defeated the teapartier running against him big time.

I say let these idiots try it again, by all means, please do.. and you will see some really pissed off Americans vote them out of office!

These stunts, the government shut down and then the threat of not raising the debt ceiling has cost a million jobs and slowed economy growth even more. It did great damage to our credit rating, and has caused a lack in confidence with other countries who are watching this mess.
 
glenn1 said:
Again, why should Republicans "compromise" when spending cuts are automatically going into effect with the next round of sequester? And exactly do you think Obama is going to offer in return for higher tax rates? I'm not sure what leverage you think Obama has here.
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You realize this is identical logic to what you used with the shutdown, right?

Republicans want entitlement changes. The only way to get them is with higher taxes.
 
dank69 said:
No, it's not good that Republicans refuse to raise taxes on our highest earners. If they trade spending cuts for higher tax rates, well that isn't exactly creating a bigger government, now is it? This is about lowering the deficit.
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As I pointed out, sequester has already baked in spending cuts and Obama is trying to undo even them. If you're proposing spending cuts above and beyond sequester in trade for tax increases then perhaps you might be realistic. Personally I don't care if we do raise taxes, since it disproportionately impacts high cost-of-living urban dwellers anyway. Tax away on the primarily Democratic residents of places like NYC and San Francisco.
 
eskimospy said:
You realize this is identical logic to what you used with the shutdown, right?

Republicans want entitlement changes. The only way to get them is with higher taxes.
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Perhaps the DC Republicans do, I personally don't care. If entitlements are sustainable as-is then fine, if they aren't then Democrats can fix them on their own and Republicans should spend none of their political energy on correcting them.
 
glenn1 said:
As I pointed out, sequester has already baked in spending cuts and Obama is trying to undo even them. If you're proposing spending cuts above and beyond sequester in trade for tax increases then perhaps you might be realistic. Personally I don't care if we do raise taxes, since it disproportionately impacts high cost-of-living urban dwellers anyway. Tax away on the primarily Democratic residents of places like NYC and San Francisco.
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I always find it funny when people in the US deride developing countries' politics as tribal without apparently noticing that the exact same thing happens here.
 
glenn1 said:
Perhaps the DC Republicans do, I personally don't care. If entitlements are sustainable as-is then fine, if they aren't then Democrats can fix them on their own and Republicans should spend none of their political energy on correcting them.
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Since they are the ones voting on the measures, what they care about seems to be what matters. You asked what leverage Obama has, well there it is.
 
eskimospy said:
I always find it funny when people in the US deride developing countries' politics as tribal without apparently noticing that the exact same thing happens here.
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Yeah, it's "tribal" when I'm willing to agree with you because my motivations are different than yours.
 
glenn1 said:
Yeah, it's "tribal" when I'm willing to agree with you because my motivations are different than yours.
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No, it's tribal when you express your view on policy based on whether it will help or harm groups you view as your opponents as opposed to whether you think it's a good idea or not.
 
Why should he? The GOP caved and those RINOs that voted to cave will be targets in their next elections. The majority of the Republican Party believed the lie about the fiscal cliff and once again kicked the can down the road for another three months.

Hopefully, when they see that in 3 months time nothing has changed except for more reckless spending (and probably another downgraded credit rating), they'll choose to do the right thing and enforce the debt ceiling.
 
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