Originally posted by: lupi
So who doesn't think that if this thread was titled my dad's an idiot cause he's voting for obama that it would have been locked already.
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Queasy
I'll take someone like your Dad over someone who votes for or against Obama based on his skin pigmentation.
you do have a point in that a lot of people are voting Obama based on his being black. i find this as bigoted as those voting Hillary because she's a woman, and McCain because he's a old white man.
There's also people voting McCain/Clinton simply because Obama is black. There was a quote in another thread where a WV resident stated just that.
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Thump553
now its a virtual love fest.
No. No, it isn't. See the reaction to McCain's Global Warming speech.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, you don't see me in here talking about you, because I don't care about you personally. You are the one who is calling me out in these threads.
Hillary and politics belong in this forum, your lame personal attacks don't.
Originally posted by: Vic
1. You guys got some large off-shore reserves as well. Last I heard, Scotland was trying to make a claim to them.Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
1. North Sea oil? How about invading Norway, i men, after all, that's where it's at.
2. I don't think you are using the term "straw man" correctly, which surprises me since its rare that you are logically incorrect, this kinda worries me, have you given up logic for ideals?
3. I have never heard, nor have you, that Obama is going to cut spending, what i have heard is that he is willing to do what Brownie boy does here in England, and increase spending.
I don't think that Obama will do shit, in fact i think he will fold to the congress on every matter, especially when it comes to spending.
These are my reasons for McCain being my "candidate", but as i said, i can't vote in your elections, probably a good thing too, my friend.
Now i know that you are almost as cynical as me, but there are other who are not, like Moonbeam, he actually believes that Obama stands for the "change" he claims to stand for, us regular non mirror staring people get that Obama just says that to win.
If i were you, but i am not, i'd vote for an independent, just to show how i disagree, if everyone who disagrees did that, then independent no1 would be president.
2. A straw man is any argument, different for the actual argument, made for the purposes of being easily defeated and so give the impression that the actual argument was likewise defeated. And like I said, in order for me to have my hopes dashed with Obama, I'd have to have high expectations to begin with.
3. No one, and I mean no one, can increase spending more and faster than a Republican President. Bush has doubled spending in his 8 years.
And sorry, man, the US is pulling out of the WOT. We simply can't afford it anymore.
Originally posted by: Thump553
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Thump553
now its a virtual love fest.
No. No, it isn't. See the reaction to McCain's Global Warming speech.
The reaction I saw on Fox "News" was basically this-well a few days ago he was reaching out to the right side of his natural base, now he's reaching out to his left side. I don't think they believed McCain really meant it and I certainly didn't here any of the outraged sputting like I'm going to vote for Hillary that was so common a month or two back.
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, you don't see me in here talking about you, because I don't care about you personally. You are the one who is calling me out in these threads.
Hillary and politics belong in this forum, your lame personal attacks don't.
No, all you do is spew miss truths and half truths about Obama and your act is well beyond tired. Only your fellow rabid Obama haters aren't laughing at your posts.
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, you don't see me in here talking about you, because I don't care about you personally. You are the one who is calling me out in these threads.
Hillary and politics belong in this forum, your lame personal attacks don't.
No, all you do is spew miss truths and half truths about Obama and your act is well beyond tired. Only your fellow rabid Obama haters aren't laughing at your posts.
If you take away the mis-truths and half truths, there isn't much left to say about Obama. Noone knows enough about him to say what the real truths are. Talk is cheap, long term scrutiny will reveal the truth.
You forgot to give him this:Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, you don't see me in here talking about you, because I don't care about you personally. You are the one who is calling me out in these threads.
Hillary and politics belong in this forum, your lame personal attacks don't.
No, all you do is spew miss truths and half truths about Obama and your act is well beyond tired. Only your fellow rabid Obama haters aren't laughing at your posts.
If you take away the mis-truths and half truths, there isn't much left to say about Obama. Noone knows enough about him to say what the real truths are. Talk is cheap, long term scrutiny will reveal the truth.
So says one of the rabid Obama haters.
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, you don't see me in here talking about you, because I don't care about you personally. You are the one who is calling me out in these threads.
Hillary and politics belong in this forum, your lame personal attacks don't.
No, all you do is spew miss truths and half truths about Obama and your act is well beyond tired. Only your fellow rabid Obama haters aren't laughing at your posts.
If you take away the mis-truths and half truths, there isn't much left to say about Obama. Noone knows enough about him to say what the real truths are. Talk is cheap, long term scrutiny will reveal the truth.
So says one of the rabid Obama haters.
Originally posted by: RY62
I am one, but we are many. :laugh:
Seriously though, I have no reason to hate Obama. I have been vocal against him but it has nothing to do with hate. You and I simply disagree on what is best for the country at this time. Obama may well turn out to be a great leader but I can't blindly follow him without a proven record of who he is and what he stands for.
Originally posted by: Aimster
my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.
Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: Aimster
my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.
This is a central issue for most people i know given the rapid increases in cost of living. If Obama could indirectly increase the performance of the avg portfolio enough to offset the higher taxes and then some I would vote for him, but of course he won't be able to do that.
Originally posted by: loki8481
is it possible to just not like Obama as a person for reasons that have nothing to do with race?
Originally posted by: Aimster
my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
He may turn out to be correct. We are already hearing it about WV.
If Obama doesn't play the race card, I'll be amazed.
We hear little about the majority of blacks voting for Obama, though.
If the majority of whites vote for Hillary or McCain, it is, or will be, attributed to racism.
Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: Aimster
my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.
This is a central issue for most people i know given the rapid increases in cost of living. If Obama could indirectly increase the performance of the avg portfolio enough to offset the higher taxes and then some I would vote for him, but of course he won't be able to do that.
Originally posted by: Craig234
When a black is voting for Obama with his race as a factor (his politics also have to be in agreement with them, they wouldn't vote for Clarence Thomas), as most are, it means that they're very excited to see one of the group which as a history of being discriminated against for hundreds of years be able to end the streak of 43 white presidents by having someone else get to be in charge for 4 or 8 years. It's racial, not racist.
When a white is voting against Obama because he's black, it's typically racist.
You can see the difference in the fact that the racist voters refusing to vote for Obama might say they are not willing to vote for a black, but Obama supporters don't say they won't vote for a white. Rather it's that they have never had a chance to vote for a black president before. There's some subtle line between 'preferring your own race', and being completely insensitive to other races having any equal chance for power.
While a member of an underrepresented minority and a member of an overrepresented majority voting for their own race looks like the same thing on the surface, it's not.
Of course all races are able to abuse the power of majority, to mistreat minority groups. Ask many white South Africans today how they feel. Ask many whites who are subject to the authority of Native Americans. But that's no excuse for equating the desire for some equal share by minorities with the corruption of being happy to vote for unfair dominance by the majority.
We don't see a lot of politics around the eye color of the president, because there isn't a history of discrimination, there's not bigotry around it. If there were, we'd see the same issues as we do with race. If we could say every president had one color of eyes and that for the history of our country other candidates were unelectable because the nation 'wasn't ready' for their eye color and such, the situation would resemble race, with candidates of the other eye color wanting to see one of theirs elected, etc.
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: Aimster
my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.
This is a central issue for most people i know given the rapid increases in cost of living. If Obama could indirectly increase the performance of the avg portfolio enough to offset the higher taxes and then some I would vote for him, but of course he won't be able to do that.
That and how is he going to explain the contraction of investments and new businesses along with reduced tax revenue from the capital gains tax. But, he's not concerned with that apparently...he's just into his definition of fairness.