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So my Dad's an idiot.

judasmachine

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Now that it looks like Hillary got beat, my Dad, who has been a die-hard Dem for decades (I know he voted for Reagen the first time around), just told me he is voting for McCain, because he can't vote for Obama, because he beat Hillary.

So...

Are we really this stupid in this country that we are contradicting our own interests, just because we think this is American Idol, and not our very future at stake?
 

SpunkyJones

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People have been doing this forever, its human nature. There is nothing new in what your father is doing.
 

piasabird

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Maybe Hillary should just run as an Independent???

I might even donate a few dollars to see that.
 

zephyrprime

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Now that it looks like Hillary got beat, my Dad, who has been a die-hard Dem for decades (I know he voted for Reagen the first time around), just told me he is voting for McCain, because he can't vote for Obama, because he beat Hillary.

So...

Are we really this stupid in this country that we are contradicting our own interests, just because we think this is American Idol, and not our very future at stake?
It's not that we're this stupid as a country, it's just that we're this stupid as people. It doesn't help that we have a culture that doesn't value rationality, intelligence, or education.
 

judasmachine

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I know, I'm just lamenting it coming from a pretty intelligent person. He reads all the books, and articles, and keeps up on the news. The most frustrating thing is that he even turns off the TV when the news networks start talking about Brittney, or whoever their spoiled brat of the week happens to be. And yet he falls for it.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe Hillary should just run as an Independent???

I might even donate a few dollars to see that.
Heh, I'd like to see that too, with the exception that a party would break in two.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
I know, I'm just lamenting it coming from a pretty intelligent person. He reads all the books, and articles, and keeps up on the news. The most frustrating thing is that he even turns off the TV when the news networks start talking about Brittney, or whoever their spoiled brat of the week happens to be. And yet he falls for it.
Maybe he just honestly believes that Obama isn't for him then? Which is why he was voting for Hillary over Obama?

I'll take someone like your Dad over someone who votes for or against Obama based on his skin pigmentation.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe Hillary should just run as an Independent???

I might even donate a few dollars to see that.
Heh, I'd like to see that too, with the exception that a party would break in two.
Look, she's going to lose, and then she's going to go state to state campaigning for Obama. It's been said on here before, but one more time can't hurt: if your number 1 chioce loses, and you then have the option of voting for someone with 95% similar policies or someone with 10% similar policies, it's really not a hard choice. Voting for someone you disagree with across the board in a fit of pique is biting off your nose to spite your face. Well, that would be true if any individual's vote mattered, but it doesn't really.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: judasmachine
I know, I'm just lamenting it coming from a pretty intelligent person. He reads all the books, and articles, and keeps up on the news. The most frustrating thing is that he even turns off the TV when the news networks start talking about Brittney, or whoever their spoiled brat of the week happens to be. And yet he falls for it.
Maybe he just honestly believes that Obama isn't for him then? Which is why he was voting for Hillary over Obama?

I'll take someone like your Dad over someone who votes for or against Obama based on his skin pigmentation.
you do have a point in that a lot of people are voting Obama based on his being black. i find this as bigoted as those voting Hillary because she's a woman, and McCain because he's a old white man.
 

Aimster

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my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Look, she's going to lose, and then she's going to go state to state campaigning for Obama. It's been said on here before, but one more time can't hurt: if your number 1 chioce loses, and you then have the option of voting for someone with 95% similar policies or someone with 10% similar policies, it's really not a hard choice. Voting for someone you disagree with across the board in a fit of pique is biting off your nose to spite your face. Well, that would be true if any individual's vote mattered, but it doesn't really.
You are 100% right and I would be saying the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot and Obama was going to lose. Unfortunately you seem to be in the minority (at least here) with that view.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Aimster
my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.
That is their class interest, so it seems to make sense.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Queasy
I'll take someone like your Dad over someone who votes for or against Obama based on his skin pigmentation.
you do have a point in that a lot of people are voting Obama based on his being black. i find this as bigoted as those voting Hillary because she's a woman, and McCain because he's a old white man.
There's also people voting McCain/Clinton simply because Obama is black. There was a quote in another thread where a WV resident stated just that.

 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Now that it looks like Hillary got beat, my Dad, who has been a die-hard Dem for decades (I know he voted for Reagen the first time around), just told me he is voting for McCain, because he can't vote for Obama, because he beat Hillary.

So...

Are we really this stupid in this country that we are contradicting our own interests, just because we think this is American Idol, and not our very future at stake?
It's not that we're this stupid as a country, it's just that we're this stupid as people. It doesn't help that we have a culture that doesn't value rationality, intelligence, or education.
It's not the culture, it's the nature of humanity. Humans aren't as rational as we like to pretend we are.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Queasy
I'll take someone like your Dad over someone who votes for or against Obama based on his skin pigmentation.
you do have a point in that a lot of people are voting Obama based on his being black. i find this as bigoted as those voting Hillary because she's a woman, and McCain because he's a old white man.
There's also people voting McCain/Clinton simply because Obama is black. There was a quote in another thread where a WV resident stated just that.
That's what I meant by stating McCain because he's a white man. I was lumping sexism, and racism into the same statement. And trying to show it runs both ways.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe Hillary should just run as an Independent???

I might even donate a few dollars to see that.
Heh, I'd like to see that too, with the exception that a party would break in two.
Look, she's going to lose, and then she's going to go state to state campaigning for Obama. It's been said on here before, but one more time can't hurt: if your number 1 chioce loses, and you then have the option of voting for someone with 95% similar policies or someone with 10% similar policies, it's really not a hard choice. Voting for someone you disagree with across the board in a fit of pique is biting off your nose to spite your face. Well, that would be true if any individual's vote mattered, but it doesn't really.
have to agree here. Many conservatives disagree with a boatload of McCain's policies, but since the other choice is even worse, it's a lesser of two evils situation.

The error is in those here who think that a vote for a candidate means lockstep agreement with their ideologies.

This is why the dems have it so easy this time around, both dem candidates are mirror images of each other, you'll get the same results when you vote for either of them. with mccain it's such a drastic difference of ideology, so it's a little harder for a conservative to get rid of the aftertaste when the lever is pulled
 

LTC8K6

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Why call him an idiot for doing the right thing?

If he believes Obama will hurt him and the country, he's doing the right thing.
 

mxyzptlk

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Well I jokingly said that I'd vote for Guliani out of spite if Hillary won, so I guess this is fair.

Originally posted by: Aimster
my parents are voting republican because democrats are going to push up the capital gain tax.

Do they actually have anything to lose from a higher capital gains tax or are they just voting that way because talking heads on TV told them so.. in other words, are they just rich, or REALLY rich? Do they keep large a large cache of jewels and cash and gold around the house and if so, where and what hours do they sleep...

this is just.. uh.. marketing research ;)
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Why call him an idiot for doing the right thing?

If he believes Obama will hurt him and the country, he's doing the right thing.
Because that's not what he said. He stated that if Obama got elected that everything would be about race, and he didn't want to hear it. To listen to my dad you'd think you were listening to a die-hard liberal; unions, universal health care, bringing the boys home (or sending them to Afghanistan where they can do some good), tax the rich, blah blah blah...

To throw all that away because he doesn't want to hear about race is stupid in my book.
 

LTC8K6

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He may turn out to be correct. We are already hearing it about WV.

If Obama doesn't play the race card, I'll be amazed.

We hear little about the majority of blacks voting for Obama, though.

If the majority of whites vote for Hillary or McCain, it is, or will be, attributed to racism.
 

senseamp

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I love how Obama supporters feel entitled to the Hillary vote in November. What you will find out is that a lot of people are voting for Clinton because she is a Clinton, not because she is a Democrat.
And your dad is right, if Obama is going to be dealing with a lot of racial issues that a lot of people either don't much care about or feel uneasy talking about. You may think so, but the overwhelming support he's getting from the African American community comes with some expectations that Obama deal with the racial issues that concern them. What's Obama's position on Affirmative Action, BTW?

 

mxyzptlk

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
He may turn out to be correct. We are already hearing it about WV.

If Obama doesn't play the race card, I'll be amazed.

We hear little about the majority of blacks voting for Obama, though.

If the majority of whites vote for Hillary or McCain, it is, or will be, attributed to racism.
How is it not racism when someone out and out says "I wont vote for candidate X because of his/her race"??

In the same light, how is it racism for a black person to vote for the person who most closely reflects their own interests? Isn't that what you're supposed to do in an election, vote for the person who most closely holds your own political views?
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
How is it not racism when someone out and out says "I wont vote for candidate X because of his/her race"??
I don't know, ask the blacks not voting for Hillary. :)
 

mxyzptlk

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
How is it not racism when someone out and out says "I wont vote for candidate X because of his/her race"??
I don't know, ask the blacks not voting for Hillary. :)
Show me the blacks not voting for Hillary because of her race, not because of her behavior as a politician and I'll ask them.


edit: I'll even accept because shes a woman, because that is just as preposterous of an idea..
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: senseamp
I love how Obama supporters feel entitled to the Hillary vote in November. What you will find out is that a lot of people are voting for Clinton because she is a Clinton, not because she is a Democrat.
And your dad is right, if Obama is going to be dealing with a lot of racial issues that a lot of people either don't much care about or feel uneasy talking about. You may think so, but the overwhelming support he's getting from the African American community comes with some expectations that Obama deal with the racial issues that concern them. What's Obama's position on Affirmative Action, BTW?
Obama supporters don't feel entitled, it's just what's going to happen.
 

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