So much for the world respecting us again if "O" gets elected...

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The foreign press is already deadpanning him, equating him with the hype of the dot-com boom:

Nevertheless, if Obama is elected he will eventually be forced to disappoint his voters. Politics in a democratic society is a balancing of interests, not a revivalist meeting. It takes finesse, experience and power to transform ideas into reality. Hope and optimism can enhance these qualities, but they cannot replace them. Obama's message is more of a promise to heal the nation than a campaign platform.

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The rise of democratic frontrunner Barack Obama signifies an alarming victory of style over substance. Not unlike the dot-com hype, his campaign promises more than he can deliver. The one thing his voters can count on is that they will ultimately be disappointed.

Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama reminds many people of former President John F. Kennedy or civil rights leader Martin Luther King. But when I hear him speak, I have to think of the crazy days of the New Economy.

It was a magical time, even for the most levelheaded of business executives. For several years, wild promises seemed to be the most valuable currency in circulation. Profits? No big deal! Experience? Unnecessary! Realism? More of an obstacle than anything else. While some entrepreneurs undoubtedly had realistic business models and administrative talent, most of them were simply peddling ideas.

World economic output grew by 80 percent in real terms between 1980 and 2000. But the value of shares rose by about 1,000 percent within the same period. The market hit its zenith on March 10, 2000, and then the bubble burst. Suddenly the billion-dollar companies listed on the NASDAQ collapsed like so many cold soufflés. These days, Bernie Ebbers, the former CEO of Worldcom and one of the stars of the new economy, no longer appears on Larry King Live. Instead, he is currently serving a prison term in Louisiana for fraud and conspiracy.

The future is a hotly traded commodity in the 2008 US presidential campaign. Voters are hungry for change and for radical departure from a present they now perceive as mediocre, especially after seven meager years under the current president, George W. Bush. A man like Barack Obama is adept at taking advantage of this yearning. He utters beautiful sentences that massage the soul, sentences like: "We are the ones we have been waiting for" and "Our destiny will not be written for us, but by us."

At his campaign appearances, Obama and his adoring supporters toss his campaign slogan, "Yes, we can," back and forth until the room is in a frenzy. His events are reminiscent of Sunday morning exchanges between a fiery pastor and his enthusiastic congregation, except that Obama's crowds are even more fervent.

But anyone able to look past the rhetoric of the 46-year-old candidate will recognize a growing sense of doubt -- doubt that Obama easily manages to quell in his next speech, or his next one after that. The senator's successes in the primaries also have a narcotizing effect. Obama defines himself as a new type of politician, as someone who refuses to be judged by the old standards.

The rhetoric all sounds strangely familiar. In the New Economy's heyday, the traditional analysis of a stock's value based on its fundamentals -- key economic indicators like profit, sales and numbers of employees -- suddenly became a thing of the past, and was replaced by the so-called momentum method. Now a company was seen as a good business if its stock rose and an excellent business if its stock rose steeply. The motto of the day? I rise, therefore I am. Bernie Ebbers was considered a good manager in those days. The price of his company's stock rose from less than $5 in the early days to a high of $62 in 1999. Ebbers was flying high. He had momentum.

The young peddler of ideas from Chicago is experiencing the same boost, as he rushes from one electoral success to the next. Success feeds success. Obama has momentum, too.

Foreign Policy Land Mines

Nevertheless, if Obama is elected he will eventually be forced to disappoint his voters. Politics in a democratic society is a balancing of interests, not a revivalist meeting. It takes finesse, experience and power to transform ideas into reality. Hope and optimism can enhance these qualities, but they cannot replace them. Obama's message is more of a promise to heal the nation than a campaign platform.

The future Obama is promising seems foggy and indistinct. He wants to change the rules of engagement in politics, but he neglects to explain how and in what direction. He wants to write a new page in the history books, but what handwriting does he plan to use to make his entry? He wants to drive out lobbyists, but if he does, who will champion the interests of union members, war veterans and chemical corporations? He wants to negotiate with the world's dictators, but to what end, exactly?

In fact, Obama's most dangerous land mines are hidden in foreign policy. A quick withdrawal from Iraq? Sounds great. But the mistake of having started this war in the first place cannot be corrected by ending it in a mad rush to get out of Iraq. A rapid withdrawal of the US military would most likely be followed by a bloody civil war. Al-Qaida would manage to sink its teeth into Iraq once and for all. Iran would rejoice. And Osama bin Laden and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be the real winners of the 2008 American presidential election.

On top of all that, Obama, in an effort to show strength, has come up with a new, and in some ways exclusive, theater for the US armed forces. He talks about military operations in the nuclear power Pakistan, operations that he, as commander-in-chief, would order even without the approval of the United Nations. That is "the war we need to win," he says again and again.

But in reality a military campaign in Pakistan would be lunacy, even if many in the American media have chosen to studiously ignore Obama's comments. A comparison with President John F. Kennedy, who was 43 when he was elected, reveals that Kennedy was in fact unenthusiastic about going to war in Vietnam. It was a war the inexperienced President slid into, and if he was a war president, it was by accident and not design.

But there is no room for thoughtfulness in the turbulent world of Obamania. Hillary Clinton, his rival in the fight for the Democratic nomination, suffers from the same problems as traditional companies in the automotive and engineering industries did when confronted with the hype of the New Economy. She is out of touch with his supporters. She uses language to explain, while Obama uses rhetoric to intoxicate. She tells voters what she is bringing to the table. He tells them what they can become. If Clinton is a solid stock, Obama is an option. If she's a secure investment, he is speculation.

When the New Economy reached its conclusion, people suddenly realized that their hopes were dashed and their cravings for quick riches left unfulfilled. In 2002, Worldcom's stock price fell to less than 10 cents.

If democracy functions only half as well as the market economy, the Obama bubble will burst. The burning question is: When? Will it happen before the Democratic nomination this August -- or not until afterwards?

Source: Spiegel
 

GTaudiophile

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Heh. I sent this article to my mom. Her reply:

"This Wal-Mart, commuter (gas)-dependent, debt-ridden, drugged-out nation just wants a fast food drive-by feel good moment."
 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Heh. I sent this article to my mom. Her reply:

"This Wal-Mart, commuter (gas)-dependent, debt-ridden, drugged-out nation just wants a fast food drive-by feel good moment."

She's not wrong either.
 

BigJelly

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Sounds like the republican's main arguments to be used against Obama:
1. What have you actually done?
2. How do you actually plan to enact/fund your "plans?"


But democrats should look on the bright side:
Democrats have proven that they truely believe in affirmative action--they nominated an inexperienced and unqualified black man over their experienced and qualified white canidates. Furthermore, the runner-up was an inexperienced woman--Hillary; her "35 years of 'experience"' is/was a joke.
 

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On the bright side, if Obama gets elected then our troops come home.

If McCain gets elected, Iraq becomes the 51st state.
 

jonks

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I agree he's got no clothes, but as to respect in the world, a different story:

http://www.economist.com/world....cfm?story_id=10497345
A French newspaper, Libération, said that the arrival in the White House of ?a black man, married to a black woman, [with] a black family? would be an act of ?atonement? that would restore the image of an America ?shunned in every corner of the planet?. A German tabloid, Bild, offered praise for Mr Obama's ?sexy? charms, under the headline: ?This Black American Will Become the New Kennedy!? In Spain El País trumped all others, telling readers: ?The question is whether the United States is ready for a president who is black, a woman, an evangelical minister, a Mormon or a Catholic.?

In a random sampling in the streets of Nuremberg, in Bavaria, ordinary Germans seemed impressed by the two things they knew about Mr Obama: he is not George Bush, and he is the son of an African. Dirk Hellwig, a graphic designer, said he would feel more ?positive? about America if Mr Obama won the presidency. ?I don't know what he wants to do,? Mr Hellwig admitted. ?But I think Germans will think Obama is a sign that something is changing.? A win by Mrs Clinton would also send a signal of American change, Mr Hellwig said. ?But the signal would be bigger from Obama, because he is black.?
 

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What I think would be a real shame is if Obama is actually an excellent choice for president but just as he takes office the economy falls into the shitter and doesn't get out before 2012. At the rate we're going, it seems a very real possibility that the next president will be burdened with this problem.
 

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What did Bill Clinton accomplish in his 8 years? Don't give me the economy and the increase in tax revenue because of it. Contrary to popular belief, Al Gore did not invent the internet.


Bill was lucky enough to be President during a technology revolution. The next President unfortunaltely will more than likely inherit massive amounts of debt by the government and consumers. Hopefully, someone will develop a new technology that will boost the economy again.


 

StageLeft

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Frankly, I'm ready to go with a "might work" than a "definitely won't work" like McCain, not that he's the worst thing in the world, but basically Obama seems as unbush as we can possibly see, so for that alone I think it's time simply to rebalance the universe with somebody very unbush. I would like to see the US elect a fairy godmother at this point, if it could.
 

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I assume the writer of that article was voted voice of the international community. Or was he appointed by the U.N. perhaps?
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
On the bright side, if Obama gets elected then our troops come home.

If McCain gets elected, Iraq becomes the 51st state.

I've had the 51st state feeling for a long time. Our government is there as the FEDS, and the iraqi government acts as the state. THey do what they can until they need our help, and if they follow our rules they can make their own.
 

marincounty

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Originally posted by: Mail5398
What did Bill Clinton accomplish in his 8 years? Don't give me the economy and the increase in tax revenue because of it. Contrary to popular belief, Al Gore did not invent the internet.


Bill was lucky enough to be President during a technology revolution. The next President unfortunaltely will more than likely inherit massive amounts of debt by the government and consumers. Hopefully, someone will develop a new technology that will boost the economy again.

Yes, everything Bill Clinton did was luck. He was lucky to be elected, thanks to Perot.
He was lucky his tax increase led to a balanced budget. He was lucky he appointed people that actually knew what they were doing.
 

CanOWorms

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It's only to be expected for him to be criticized by foreign media, especially in Europe. Far-right xenophobia/bigotry sells there.

Elect a president for America, not Europe.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Mail5398
What did Bill Clinton accomplish in his 8 years? Don't give me the economy and the increase in tax revenue because of it. Contrary to popular belief, Al Gore did not invent the internet.


Bill was lucky enough to be President during a technology revolution. The next President unfortunaltely will more than likely inherit massive amounts of debt by the government and consumers. Hopefully, someone will develop a new technology that will boost the economy again.

Yes, everything Bill Clinton did was luck. He was lucky to be elected, thanks to Perot.
He was lucky his tax increase led to a balanced budget. He was lucky he appointed people that actually knew what they were doing.

He was so lucky he even got free blow jobs!


Whhh-ho!

How lucky can you get?

So, bush was unlucky? Well, then... I'd rather be lucky.

Thanks for playing ... Spin again...

 

SoundTheSurrender

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
On the bright side, if Obama gets elected then our troops come home.

If McCain gets elected, Iraq becomes the 51st state.

Obama never promised that he would get all the troops back home.

 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Heh. I sent this article to my mom. Her reply:

"This Wal-Mart, commuter (gas)-dependent, debt-ridden, drugged-out nation just wants a fast food drive-by feel good moment."

This is the best thing ever posted on Anandtech.
 
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I find it just laughable that the same people who elected a buffoon who didn't hold gainful employment until his 40s, whose sole political experience was as the Constitutionally weakest governor in the United States, and who had never held a passport when elected President, now have the temerity to criticize Barack Obama for lack of experience. You can say whatever you want, but don't delude yourselves that you're anything better than a bunch of unprincipled shills.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Heh. I sent this article to my mom. Her reply:

"This Wal-Mart, commuter (gas)-dependent, debt-ridden, drugged-out nation just wants a fast food drive-by feel good moment."

This is the best thing ever posted on Anandtech.

I love my mama! :)
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
I find it just laughable that the same people who elected a buffoon who didn't hold gainful employment until his 40s, whose sole political experience was as the Constitutionally weakest governor in the United States, and who had never held a passport when elected President, now have the temerity to criticize Barack Obama for lack of experience. You can say whatever you want, but don't delude yourselves that you're anything better than a bunch of unprincipled shills.

Now, now Don. That was then, and this election is an entirely new ball of wax with new decisions to make all around.

I am just Republican commenting on the actions of Democrats and their decision to elect a "feel good moment" as my mom put it versus a woman with vast experience.
 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
I find it just laughable that the same people who elected a buffoon who didn't hold gainful employment until his 40s, whose sole political experience was as the Constitutionally weakest governor in the United States, and who had never held a passport when elected President, now have the temerity to criticize Barack Obama for lack of experience. You can say whatever you want, but don't delude yourselves that you're anything better than a bunch of unprincipled shills.

Now, now Don. That was then, and this election is an entirely new ball of wax with new decisions to make all around.

I am just Republican commenting on the actions of Democrats and their decision to elect a "feel good moment" as my mom put it versus a woman with vast experience.

I remember her gaining her vast experience. That was when she acted as the unelected President in pushing health care.

Isn't Spiegel the site that recently fawned over Bush and his neocon policies? I believe so.

In any case, Bush has done so much damage that the US is going to have to work hard for many years to get back to the baseline of where we were before he took office.

 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Farang
What I think would be a real shame is if Obama is actually an excellent choice for president but just as he takes office the economy falls into the shitter and doesn't get out before 2012. At the rate we're going, it seems a very real possibility that the next president will be burdened with this problem.

Yep and they will call him the 2nd coming of jimmy carter. Mind you when he came in the mess was already on its way to the fan.
 
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
I find it just laughable that the same people who elected a buffoon who didn't hold gainful employment until his 40s, whose sole political experience was as the Constitutionally weakest governor in the United States, and who had never held a passport when elected President, now have the temerity to criticize Barack Obama for lack of experience. You can say whatever you want, but don't delude yourselves that you're anything better than a bunch of unprincipled shills.

Now, now Don. That was then, and this election is an entirely new ball of wax with new decisions to make all around.

I am just Republican commenting on the actions of Democrats and their decision to elect a "feel good moment" as my mom put it versus a woman with vast experience.

What exactly is Hillary's "vast experience"? A couple of years more as a senator than Obama? Living in the White House for 8 years? Spending 19 years as a corporate attorney (I'd argue the latter is her REAL experience base, but she's done nothing but hide from it in her campaign)? Obama has MORE experience as an elected official, and years more work serving the public than Hillary. If we're going to call being First Lady "experience," then Laura Bush is also more qualified than Obama, by virtue of her time in Texas and DC - is that really a reasonable view?