so much for NRA mantra's

BoberFett

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So you're going to use a Luntz poll to back your agenda? Let's see the actual questions used vs. the conclusions drawn. The poll was sponsored by "Mayors Against Illegal Guns". Gee, how do you think a Luntz poll paid for by that group is going to turn out?

Hacks like you never change.
 

Craig234

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82% in favor of banning gun sales to people on the terrorist watch list - I have concerns about that one, given the lack of any solid justification for how people are put on that list.
 

halik

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I wouldn't think that NRA members are crazy pro-laizzes faire when it comes to government regulation of guns. The issue has always been the folks that deny second amendment being an individual right and crazy lefties pushing the no guns for anyone angle.
 

MotF Bane

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N.R.A. members supported closing the notorious gun-show loophole that invites laissez-faire arms dealing outside registration requirements.

Desperate to squeeze that phrase into the article in a negative light? Or just terrible writing?
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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The NRA has a "mantra"? :confused:

Do you know what that word means, or did you just throw it out there to try and sound "cool"?

Hope and Change is a mantra. I don't even see some sort of catchy slogan, mission statement or anything like that on the main NRA page.
 

piasabird

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What the hell is the meaning of this word?

These findings strike at some of the N.R.A.’s most sacred "shibboleths".

I could not even tell what the point was that this article was trying to make?????

It was suppose to be an opinion piece, so what is the stated opinion?

Need some better writing. I dont care about the opinion being pro or con but at least use some logic to make the point one way or another . . .
 

woolfe9999

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Here is the actual poll:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/luntz_poll_questionnaire_and_responses.pdf

I don't see any reason to question the objectivety of the poll, nor do I think it is anything that NRA supporters should be skeptical about. The majority of responses are right in line with NRA party line, while the questions pertaining to keeping guns away from criminals and terrorists suggest some moderation from NRA members. Really, I didn't think NRA members were all at that extreme anyway, though admittedly the NRA's official positions tend to be more extreme, but only by a little.

- wolf
 

KB

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This article is making a whole lot out of nothing. The NRA has always had moderates in it and their questions only show that the NRA isn't as radical as they would believe.

The NRA has never been about arming crminals yet they seemed suprised that:

"But 86 percent of gun owners also agreed that more could be done to “stop criminals from getting guns while also protecting the rights of citizens to freely own them.”

The NRA has always been about gun laws that target criminals not law abiding citizens. There is nothing to see here.
 
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This article is making a whole lot out of nothing. The NRA has always had moderates in it and their questions only show that the NRA isn't as radical as they would believe.

The NRA has never been about arming crminals yet they seemed suprised that:

"But 86 percent of gun owners also agreed that more could be done to “stop criminals from getting guns while also protecting the rights of citizens to freely own them.”

The NRA has always been about gun laws that target criminals not law abiding citizens. There is nothing to see here.

Yeah, nothing to see here.

Those are pretty much right where I would expect the NRA members to fall. They are for less blanket gun control laws limiting law abiding citizens from their rights to own firearms, while they are for limiting criminals access to guns as much as possible. This is not news.
 

Vic

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I didn't read the article, I'm just posting here to complain about the OP's incorrect use of punctuation in the thread title.
 

jonks

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The NRA has a "mantra"? :confused:

Do you know what that word means, or did you just throw it out there to try and sound "cool"?

Hope and Change is a mantra. I don't even see some sort of catchy slogan, mission statement or anything like that on the main NRA page.

Maybe you don't know what it means, though most people probably correctly identified the phrase the OP was referring to, as it's been characterized by that title before.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e.../08/11/lost_in_the_irony_of_mccains_moses_ad/

"If there is one image that trumps the actor's upraised arms commanding the sea in "The Ten Commandments," it is his holding a rifle above his head and declaring, to raucous laughter, "from my cold, dead hands!" Heston, as its president, gave the National Rifle Association its mantra"