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So much for free speech.

effee

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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/167812/1/.html



Nicholas Lim Yew, 25, and Benjamin Koh Song Huat, 27, are accused of making seditious and inflammatory remarks about Muslims in response to a letter printed in The Straits Times Forum page.

In the letter, published on June 14, Madam Zuraimah Mohammed asked if cab companies allowed uncaged pets to be transported in taxis, after she saw a dog standing on a taxi seat next to its owner. She said that 'dogs may drool on the seats or dirty them with their paws'.

Madam Zuraimah's concerns had a religious basis. Ustaz Ali beloved patriot Mohamed, chairman of Khadijah mosque, pointed out: 'There are various Islamic schools of thought which differ in views. But most Muslims in Singapore are from the Syafie school of thought. This means they are not allowed to touch dogs which are wet, which would include a dog's saliva. This is a religious requirement.'

Two days after the letter was published, Lim, an assistant marketing manager, allegedly responded by twice posting anti-Muslim remarks on an online forum for dog lovers in Singapore, www.doggiesite.com.

According to the charges, these postings 'had a seditious tendency to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different classes of the population in Singapore'. He also allegedly criticised certain aspects of Islamic law.

Koh, who works at a kennel taking care of dogs, was said to have made similar racist comments on his blog, Phoenyx Chronicles, on www.upsaid.com on three occasions - June 12, 15 and 17.

On June 12, he allegedly blasted Muslims for 'spoiling my day' in an expletive-laden entry.

Three days later, he was said to have referred to the forum discussion on www.doggiesite.com and, in another entry filled with vulgarities, allegedly insulted Malays and their religion.

He is accused of making another entry insulting Malays on June 17.

Lim faces two charges and Koh three charges under the Sedition Act, which has been in place since 1948. Though the Act was amended in 1972 and 1985, this is the first time it has ever been used against individuals. Offences under the Act carry a maximum jail term of three years and a $5,000 fine.

The Media Development Authority told The Straits Times it has asked a web host to remove racist comments posted on a website on one previous occasion, though no charge was filed.

Lim and Koh did not enter any plea and are out on $10,000 bail each. Their cases will be mentioned again on Sept 21.
 
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
aside from japan, india, and korea none of the asian countreies have democracies...so nothing really to be surprised about

Singapore has a democracy, people actually vote. They are just a new country. Most of the people who lived through colonial times are still alive. So they tend to vote for the party which took them to independence. I believe it used to be the same the first 50 years in the USA.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I didn't realize the first amendment applied in Singapore.
America Fvck Yeah!

Once Team America settles their hash it will.

It's America's world and you just live in it until we get around to freeing you!
 
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
aside from japan, india, and korea none of the asian countreies have democracies...so nothing really to be surprised about

these countries don't have freedom of speech neither.
 
Ok it doesnt apply.. but the way I see it, its just stupid. racism goes on everyday, it cant be stopped. these 2 arent the first to make seditory comments and they wont be the last. the way i see it they're just being made an example
 
Originally posted by: effee
Ok it doesnt apply.. but the way I see it, its just stupid. racism goes on everyday, it cant be stopped. these 2 arent the first to make seditory comments, so why should they be the first to get charged

so since it supposedly can't be stopped, we should not try to stop it?
 
Originally posted by: effee
Ok it doesnt apply.. but the way I see it, its just stupid. racism goes on everyday, it cant be stopped. these 2 arent the first to make seditory comments, so why should they be the first to get charged

Someone has to be first? 😕
 
Originally posted by: effee
Ok it doesnt apply.. but the way I see it, its just stupid. racism goes on everyday, it cant be stopped. these 2 arent the first to make seditory comments, so why should they be the first to get charged

If you look at the history of Singapore, they had some bad race riots a generation back. ppl are still afraid of that, I guess.
 
Originally posted by: globalcitizen
I believe it used to be the same the first 50 years in the USA.

no, it wasn't. almost everyone was prominent in the independence movement, but there were definitely competing parties who had very divergent views about how the federal government should evolve. of course, the US had a 150+ year history of competitive democracy already
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: globalcitizen
I believe it used to be the same the first 50 years in the USA.

no, it wasn't. almost everyone was prominent in the independence movement, but there were definitely competing parties who had very divergent views about how the federal government should evolve

My mistake then. I never did much US History. I did a lot of Asian history and the trend is that during the independence movements, usually one major political party was influential and once they gain independence, they dominate the political lanscape for the next 30-40 years.
 
Originally posted by: slycat
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
aside from japan, india, and korea none of the asian countreies have democracies...so nothing really to be surprised about

these countries don't have freedom of speech neither.

from personal experience i can tell you that they do in japan and india...dont know about korea...and i was born and raised in india, so i kinda do know what i'm talking about.
 
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