So much for Bush's "re-training" of workers SoTU orders, 10,000 Programmers left out

[dmcowen674]

1-28-2004 Suit Seeks Benefits for Software Workers

NEW YORK - Laid-off programmers have filed a lawsuit accusing the U.S. Department of Labor of illegally denying them job-training benefits available to workers in industries where jobs have moved overseas.

Over the past two years, the Labor Department has ruled many software workers ineligible for TAA benefits. The Labor Department has said software and information-technology services don't qualify as products, or "articles," under TAA guidelines. Only workers who made more tangible products, such as clothing and furniture, can get TAA benefits, the department has ruled.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-28-2004 Suit Seeks Benefits for Software Workers

NEW YORK - Laid-off programmers have filed a lawsuit accusing the U.S. Department of Labor of illegally denying them job-training benefits available to workers in industries where jobs have moved overseas.

Over the past two years, the Labor Department has ruled many software workers ineligible for TAA benefits. The Labor Department has said software and information-technology services don't qualify as products, or "articles," under TAA guidelines. Only workers who made more tangible products, such as clothing and furniture, can get TAA benefits, the department has ruled.

These programmers are morons... These benifits are to help nonskilled labor, not skilled labor.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-28-2004 Suit Seeks Benefits for Software Workers

NEW YORK - Laid-off programmers have filed a lawsuit accusing the U.S. Department of Labor of illegally denying them job-training benefits available to workers in industries where jobs have moved overseas.

Over the past two years, the Labor Department has ruled many software workers ineligible for TAA benefits. The Labor Department has said software and information-technology services don't qualify as products, or "articles," under TAA guidelines. Only workers who made more tangible products, such as clothing and furniture, can get TAA benefits, the department has ruled.

These programmers are morons... These benifits are to help nonskilled labor, not skilled labor.

No No No, I'm was sure you agree with your fellow AT experts such as CAD, Charrison & Co that only unskilled, low wage jobs are what were shipped off to India.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-28-2004 Suit Seeks Benefits for Software Workers

NEW YORK - Laid-off programmers have filed a lawsuit accusing the U.S. Department of Labor of illegally denying them job-training benefits available to workers in industries where jobs have moved overseas.

Over the past two years, the Labor Department has ruled many software workers ineligible for TAA benefits. The Labor Department has said software and information-technology services don't qualify as products, or "articles," under TAA guidelines. Only workers who made more tangible products, such as clothing and furniture, can get TAA benefits, the department has ruled.

These programmers are morons... These benifits are to help nonskilled labor, not skilled labor.

No No No, I'm was sure you agree with your fellow AT experts such as CAD, Charrison & Co that only unskilled, low wage jobs are what were shipped off to India.

Thats not what they've said.. I know better than that.

Yes some software jobs have been outsourced, not in the hundreds of thousands though. Its still quite a small number. Now if you said phone jockies aka tech support people, Id agree those jobs have been exported in large numbers.

There are plenty of programming jobs out there, in the US, that aren't outsourced, its just some people dont want to move, or work in specific fields.

These re-training benifits are for unskilled workers, thats what it was intended for. These programmers, most likely have college degrees, they DONT NEED retraining, they need to get off their assesl.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-28-2004 Suit Seeks Benefits for Software Workers

NEW YORK - Laid-off programmers have filed a lawsuit accusing the U.S. Department of Labor of illegally denying them job-training benefits available to workers in industries where jobs have moved overseas.

Over the past two years, the Labor Department has ruled many software workers ineligible for TAA benefits. The Labor Department has said software and information-technology services don't qualify as products, or "articles," under TAA guidelines. Only workers who made more tangible products, such as clothing and furniture, can get TAA benefits, the department has ruled.

These programmers are morons... These benifits are to help nonskilled labor, not skilled labor.

No No No, I'm was sure you agree with your fellow AT experts such as CAD, Charrison & Co that only unskilled, low wage jobs are what were shipped off to India.

Thats not what they've said.. I know better than that.

Yes some software jobs have been outsourced, not in the hundreds of thousands though. Its still quite a small number. Now if you said phone jockies aka tech support people, Id agree those jobs have been exported in large numbers.

There are plenty of programming jobs out there, in the US, that aren't outsourced, its just some people dont want to move, or work in specific fields.

These re-training benifits are for unskilled workers, thats what it was intended for. These programmers, most likely have college degrees, they DONT NEED retraining, they need to get off their assesl.

All 10,000 are Lazy? :Q

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-28-2004 Suit Seeks Benefits for Software Workers

NEW YORK - Laid-off programmers have filed a lawsuit accusing the U.S. Department of Labor of illegally denying them job-training benefits available to workers in industries where jobs have moved overseas.

Over the past two years, the Labor Department has ruled many software workers ineligible for TAA benefits. The Labor Department has said software and information-technology services don't qualify as products, or "articles," under TAA guidelines. Only workers who made more tangible products, such as clothing and furniture, can get TAA benefits, the department has ruled.

These programmers are morons... These benifits are to help nonskilled labor, not skilled labor.

No No No, I'm was sure you agree with your fellow AT experts such as CAD, Charrison & Co that only unskilled, low wage jobs are what were shipped off to India.

Thats not what they've said.. I know better than that.

Yes some software jobs have been outsourced, not in the hundreds of thousands though. Its still quite a small number. Now if you said phone jockies aka tech support people, Id agree those jobs have been exported in large numbers.

There are plenty of programming jobs out there, in the US, that aren't outsourced, its just some people dont want to move, or work in specific fields.

These re-training benifits are for unskilled workers, thats what it was intended for. These programmers, most likely have college degrees, they DONT NEED retraining, they need to get off their assesl.

All 10,000 are Lazy? :Q

Not all 10,000 brought this suit. It says its been granted for class action because their could be up to 10,000 people "unlawfully declined" for these benifits.

 

[Pepsei]

Actually, I believe there are a lot of lazy programmers in this country... but that's beside the point.

(all the games with bugs... argh)

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
Actually, I believe there are a lot of lazy programmers in this country... but that's beside the point.

(all the games with bugs... argh)

That not just laziness. It has also to do with the developer/publisher relationship, and the producer/dev team member relationship.

Games are a complex beast.

 

[CanOWorms]

They probably include helpdesk, computer network monkeys, etc. in the same category as programmers. IT type people usually try to elevate their job title, similar to how some call themselves engineers when all they do is install Windows.