SO MANY QUESTIONS! What happened(WTC)?

[Oalex]

This is not a "what did America do wrong" tread, so don't get it wrong. We've already have a lot of those.

I just want your theories on the following:

What did the terrorist want (apart from the horrible distruction and mass murder)? Taking into consideration, the following: Some of the pilots are said to have been in the US for 8 years (FBI), so they are very patient, very deciplind: no braging, no speeding ticket to compromise the plan, no leackages (were able to evade the FBI, CIA, at least we belive so) on the plan. A 95% success rate (I take away -5% for the pitts. crash, wether it crash or was shot down, definitly was not the initial plan). So in short a "master plan", with a lot of time, money and lives invested.
I'm not saying they should have left a note saying "WE WANT YOU TO STOP THIS or THAT", but I really want to hear what the colprits will say when and if aprehended. Ofcourse it depends on who did it and until Bush stops using the word Suspect, I have the right to list other options and their motives. (most are very far fetched and hilarious, but I just tried to least every thing that comes to my mind). I know its the worst time, but try to find some humor in it.

Osama (This is the one that I can't really guess. I know its an "I hate you", but the exact reason?)
Palestine (stop supporting Israel)
Israel (kick some arab butt for me, also buysome time while we bulldose those palestines once and for all, without any one looking)
China (communism rulez)
Russia (fooled you, we're still on-line)
FBI (life is doll, we want to show you how fast we can wrap a case up, increas PR.)
US millitary (where bored and also you have been cutting our expenses, also some real life training will only help al these new recruits)
CNN (we what some exciting video shots and hot news, F-u Holywood)
Iraq (and you tought you won)
Japan (we NEVER forget)
Vietnam (same as Japan)
LA (F-u East coast, in memory of 2pac)
Bush (I want more support)
Republicans (Bush, we want to see you get out of this one, hehehe)
Rail and road transport (to hell with airlines, we want our customers back)
And so on and so on....

To answer my question (what do they want?) we can take a look at what effect it has and will have on the long run (and don't tell me that the ppl. who did this, afther such planning did not take ANY of the current effects into consideration).

Current:
US Economy (a little on the down side)
Freedom (more security less freedom)
News (hotter than ever)
Terrorist (more WANTED than ever)
People (sad)
US Govt. (high unity and support)
Israel (an almost blind eye from the rest of the world, at least for a while)
International comunity (A united anti-terrorist objective)

In the future:
Higher security (again less freedom)
Terrorist (SOS: "Shot On Sight" by all other parties)
Bush (more or less support: depending on how he wraps this up) same goes for FBI and the US Govt.
Most part of the International comunity (same as above)
NY tuorism (lower)
Insurance (higher rates if you want the "in-case-of-a-terrorist-act" clause included)
Immigration (tighter)
Millitary/FBI/CIA (definitly an APROVED higher budget next year)
US international policies (this has be argued here for a while, yet I'm not sure of what will happen to that)

I think you don't have to have an IQ of 200 to foresee those, so the evildoers definitly did (especialy taking into consideration that they planed this for years and have been considering those for more time that most of us).

Also there was a question an CNN yesterday that I find interesting and wonder what you think, "did these ppl. with their Master plan take the same care in covering up their tracks?" (the arabic flight manual comes to mind here) I'm not asking if they did it well or not.

 

[Oalex]

i'll refresh (just once)

 

[TripleJ]

Well, I think it's good that you are thinking about all of these things . I think it's a bit hard for Americans to make heads or tails of it at the moment.
At the moment, I wouldn't rule out Iraqi terrorists. They have had the time and motive to do such a thing. Let alone the mind-set.
I think they just want to piss off America for all the perceived injustices against their people. This applies to both Iraqi terrorists and Osama and co. Whoever was responsible.

 

[shifrbv]

This is the statment from Ramzi Ahmed Yousef (the first guy tried for the WTC bombing in 1993) and I think it gives some idea into the mind of a terrorist:


You keep talking also about collective punishment and killing innocent people to force governments to change their policies; you call this terrorism when someone would kill innocent people or civilians in order to force the government to change its policies. Well, when you were the first one who invented this terrorism.

You were the first one who killed innocent people, and you are the first one who introduced this type of terrorism to the history of mankind when you dropped an atomic bomb which killed tens of thousands of women and children in Japan and when you killed over a hundred thousand people, most of them civilians, in Tokyo with fire bombings. You killed them by burning them to death. And you killed civilians in Vietnam with chemicals as with the so-called Orange agent. You killed civilians and innocent people, not soldiers, innocent people every single war you went. You went to wars more than any other country in this century, and then you have the nerve to talk about killing innocent people.

And now you have invented new ways to kill innocent people. You have so-called economic embargo which kills nobody other than children and elderly people, and which other than Iraq you have been placing the economic embargo on Cuba and other countries for over 35 years...

The government in its summations and opening said that I was a terrorist. Yes, I am a terrorist and I am proud of it. And I support terrorism so long as it was against the United States Government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites. (Ramzi Ahmed Yousef)


While I can see him saying he is against the government (no ones hands are clean), maybe this shows why they put out a hit on the Pentagon, but the WTC in no way shape or form represents our "government". That's why I don't really believe this guy. I think they're after our way of life, not necessarily our government.

 

[Tripleshot]

They hink all people should bow to the east 5 times a day and say hail to Allah,then go bash some woman in the head.

These are some really sick minds. They should be exterminated by Gods army.

 

[Oalex]

Tripleshot:


<< They think all people should bow to the east 5 times a day and say hail to Allah, >>



Now that I don't agree with as a problem, I'm a Christain and I respect all other religions till they become fanatics.
To make my point more clear I'll give you examples of other religions and their irrational cultures:

Catholics: Women can't become priest, no logic in that, actually its discriminating (I am Catholic)
Jews: Women pray seperatly
Remember the sects that comited mass suicide in the US? I don't remember their name.
Budhism: They must shave your head(I think)
US congress: You have to use the word "I" instead of yes, in the votes

These are just cultures, praying 5 times a day? whats wrong with that, most religions teach you to pray all the time you can.
Bowing their heads to the east, You stand and face the flag of you country if the national antem is chanted.