So, looks like the ps3 is completely hacked.

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purbeast0

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So can I. I'll be spending $80 in Jan, then $140 in Feb on two games alone. Plus $100 if you count the PS Move I will be buying between now and Feb, and the gun attachment for KZ2.

What I don't pay for are games that I don't know if I will like, and there are no demo for. I call it try before you buy. And I've gladly done it, like with Mass Effect.

well i will say that i have a modded 360 (modded fw not jtagged) that is banned from live, and I pretty much only use it for the 'try before i buy' thing about games that i want. i mainly play games online anyways so it isn't much use to me.

the only game this entire YEAR i have 'tried before i buy' was NBA Jam, and while it is a good game, I wouldn't pay more than $20 for it so I haven't. i tossed the disc out after I played 1 full game against the AI because lets face it, NBA Jam is not about playing the AI at all so single player really means nothing to me heh.

oh also my modded/banned 360 is on it's last leg. i've fixed the RRoD like 5x on it and it now freezes again randomly sometimes w/in 5 seconds, sometimes w/in 30 minutes.
 

RavenSEAL

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As others have said, indie developers already had the online store. Let's face it, people will never stop making excuses to pirate stuff.
Exactly, these hackers are using this "OMG they removed other OS!" crap as an excuse to allow people to pirate games.

Either way, those that will actually be doing it are gonna have some fun removing encryptions and burning 50 GB BR disc.
 

BD2003

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Exactly, these hackers are using this "OMG they removed other OS!" crap as an excuse to allow people to pirate games.

Either way, those that will actually be doing it are gonna have some fun removing encryptions and burning 50 GB BR disc.

Hate to break this to you, but there's no burning or decrypting required. It's super easy to rip games straight off a disc or download a torrent onto an external or internal drive with just the press of a button. It's tremendously easier than pirating pc games or 360 games, and most games are well under 10gb.
 

boshuter

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Exactly, these hackers are using this "OMG they removed other OS!" crap as an excuse to allow people to pirate games.

Either way, those that will actually be doing it are gonna have some fun removing encryptions and burning 50 GB BR disc.

Amazing..... I bet you are an only child.
 

purbeast0

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Exactly, these hackers are using this "OMG they removed other OS!" crap as an excuse to allow people to pirate games.

Either way, those that will actually be doing it are gonna have some fun removing encryptions and burning 50 GB BR disc.

the ignorance in this post is astounding.

ok well not really due to who posted it.
 

Ross Ridge

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I don't think talking about PC gaming is appropriate considering what pirates have done to that platform. Also, I think the cost-benefit of something like XMBC really isn't debatable considering what will happen to those same indie developers on a platform that has been heavily compromised.

Why isn't it appropriate? This hack has the potential to make pirating games on the PlayStation 3 even easier than on the PC. Once the PlayStation 3's copy protection is defeated there's no online DRM or CD keys in existing games to hinder pirates. With the signing keys in the hands of pirates you'd potentially be able to download a hacked version of a game to completely unmodified console, not even a soft-mod, and play it. If this hacker's group claims are true then the PS3 is going to become an open platform whether anyone likes it or not, with the both good and bad that entails.

Sony wouldn't be able to do much to minimize the negatives, piracy and cheating. All game publishers could do is implement the same sort of protections they use on the PC in new games. In other words, things are set to become as bad as they are on the PC. It can also become as good, but that's largely up to how Sony reacts. They can choose either to try to maximize the positive or to try to minimize it.
 

RavenSEAL

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Hate to break this to you, but there's no burning or decrypting required. It's super easy to rip games straight off a disc or download a torrent onto an external or internal drive with just the press of a button. It's tremendously easier than pirating pc games or 360 games, and most games are well under 10gb.
Most PS3 games aren't under 10gb....they are 20GB+...

P.s. Hate it to break to ya, put a PS3 disc into your PCs BR drive and see what happens.
 
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BD2003

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Why isn't it appropriate? This hack has the potential to make pirating games on the PlayStation 3 even easier than on the PC. Once the PlayStation 3's copy protection is defeated there's no online DRM or CD keys in existing games to hinder pirates. With the signing keys in the hands of pirates you'd potentially be able to download a hacked version of a game to completely unmodified console, not even a soft-mod, and play it. If this hacker's group claims are true then the PS3 is going to become an open platform whether anyone likes it or not, with the both good and bad that entails.

Sony wouldn't be able to do much to minimize the negatives, piracy and cheating. All game publishers could do is implement the same sort of protections they use on the PC in new games. In other words, things are set to become as bad as they are on the PC. It can also become as good, but that's largely up to how Sony reacts. They can choose either to try to maximize the positive or to try to minimize it.


I suspect that given the ps3 is a solid 4 years old at this point and approaching retirement, they'd be crazy to sully their brand and piss off their paying customers with any sort of over the top drm and/or activation. Despite the piracy concerns, this would be in stark contrast to the 360 which won't require it, MS probably wouldn't even allow it. And more than likely hackers will find a way around that an they'd be in the terrible predicament that the PC is in where the pirates get a better experience than the paying customers. It'd be insane...no way they go that route.

Either they completely ignore the problem and just eat the loss or they push ahead with the ps4 ahead of schedule and hope people are ready to move on. Sony doesn't have any good options to react with here.
 

BD2003

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Most PS3 games aren't under 10gb....they are 20GB+...

P.s. Hate it to break to ya, put a PS3 disc into your PCs BR drive and see what happens.

The games themselves are much smaller. The ps3 exclusive tend to be 10gb+, especially the fmv heavy ones. But not the cross platform ones...they're generally 6-8gb. The most epic is ff13 at like 40+ gb....god of war 3 is huge as well.

How do I know this? I put my game BD disc in my hacked ps3, press the copy button and voila, no more swapping discs and it lists the exact size on the HDD. No need to screw around with a pc to rip it.

Stop trying to break things to people when you're clearly the most underinformed person here.
 

purbeast0

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Most PS3 games aren't under 10gb....they are 20GB+...

P.s. Hate it to break to ya, put a PS3 disc into your PCs BR drive and see what happens.

Hate it to break to ya, but you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about.
 

Lotheron

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Most PS3 games aren't under 10gb....they are 20GB+...

P.s. Hate it to break to ya, put a PS3 disc into your PCs BR drive and see what happens.

I think that's because of the slow bluray drive. For example, I read they had to duplicate the data for Oblivion a few times because the load time was so slow. So while it only took 4.5 GB on a 360 DVD it took 3-4 times that on a bluray to help speed up the process.

So maybe they're big not because they absolutely need to be.
 

EightySix Four

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Well, they could keep the keys a secret and just restore Other OS support with all the restrictions that had and people would be able to run unsigned code again, but not run pirated games. The problem with that idea though is if this group was able to hack the keys then someone else could as well.

To restore OtherOS, you have to allow the system to run unsigned code from within the PS3 interface, there is no other way around it. Once it was removed from the firmware, my understanding is that they have to use an unsigned launcher to run it. If they enable the ability to run unsigned code at the main interface, they have opened the door for piracy. There's no other way to do it.
 

purbeast0

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You people intend to copy BR disc with a 2X BR drive?

Have fun....

you don't have to 'copy' them at all you nincumpoop.

you can either DL the images or rip it to the ps3 via the ps3 bluray drive.

no bluray drive/burner needed other than the ps3, if at all.
 

BoberFett

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You people intend to copy BR disc with a 2X BR drive?

Have fun....

So you don't think someone will quickly write a utility to copy games directly from the network to the PS3s hard drive?

Your stupidity is truly staggering.
 

RavenSEAL

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you don't have to 'copy' them at all you nincumpoop.

you can either DL the images or rip it to the ps3 via the ps3 bluray drive.

no bluray drive/burner needed other than the ps3, if at all.
Hey, nincumpoop, the PS3 BR drive is 2x.
 

BD2003

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You people intend to copy BR disc with a 2X BR drive?

Have fun....

The average game takes about 15 minutes to copy over to the internal drive. It's painless.

The fact that it's so ridiculously easy is the worrying part. If this catches on like wildfire like it did on the psp, publishers may actually take a second glance at actually developing and releasing a ps3 version of some games at all, since there's potential to eat away at even 360 sales. It's really hard to overstate how incredibly damaging this is to Sony and it's platform.
 

raasco

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Hack......Update to kill hack..........Hack..........Update to kill hack...........


I just wonder how long until the Kinect works on a PS3?
 

BD2003

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You'd still be limited by the HDD's 5200RPM.

My ps3 has a 500gb 7200rpm solid state hybrid in it. Theres no limitation with speed or capacity. And someone already mentioned, if you're a downloaded you cab just shuffle them over the network with an FTP program, and with a gigabit network (on the slim at least), you can transfer at a solid 50mb a second, way faster than the bd.
 

magomago

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You'd still be limited by the HDD's 5200RPM.

moving data at 30+megs/sec is not going to stop the people who don't want to pay. Many will just set it overnight before they sleep and let it run overnight; if its still not done, people still go to work or go to school.
finally, unless the ps3's network connection is a gigabit connection (not sure) you'll still be limited by the network speed.
 

Terzo

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The fact that it's so ridiculously easy is the worrying part. If this catches on like wildfire like it did on the psp, publishers may actually take a second glance at actually developing and releasing a ps3 version of some games at all, since there's potential to eat away at even 360 sales. It's really hard to overstate how incredibly damaging this is to Sony and it's platform.

I'll admit, that is a downside I had considered, though not to such a drastic extent. Releasing only a 360 version could cost them sales though, as some (like me) don't own a 360 so if it's not out on the ps3 I wont be buying it. Well, I could buy a pc version but if the publisher is so concerned about piracy as to not release it on the ps3, I doubt they'd allow the pc to have a go at it.