So long Internet

John Connor

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http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016...et-surrender-under-radar-three-days-fix-this/

What they’re preparing to do is to cede, or surrender, the last vestige of American control, or even influence, over what is done with critical functions of the Internet. It gets pretty arcane, but the point is, if you think that the freedom of the Internet – whether it’s the ability of people to communicate freely information on it, or whether you think of it as an engine for free enterprise, let alone if you understand the contribution that it makes these days to national security – including, by the way, the operations of our critical infrastructure – you will understand that the United States retaining a measure of quality control as to what’s going on with how the Internet is populated with names and numbers, domains, websites and the like, is a very important thing.

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It’s three days from now. It’s October 1st, the end of the fiscal year. It’s what Obama’s been striving for, is to jam this thing through, while nobody’s paying attention. We can’t let that happen.


I said it hundreds of times. Obozo is the WORST President ever! I like how he was just shut down by his own party on the 9/11 bill to sue Saudi Arabia. This guy is a joke!
 

glenn1

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http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016...et-surrender-under-radar-three-days-fix-this/




I said it hundreds of times. Obozo is the WORST President ever! I like how he was just shut down by his own party on the 9/11 bill to sue Saudi Arabia. This guy is a joke!


The U.S. government has only had nominal control over ICANN for nearly two decades. Formally terminating the "oversight" of Commerce Department isn't changing anything and wouldn't make a difference anyway. This fear is akin to saying "OMG the Russians may get control of the Dewey Decimal System and then we won't be able to read books anymore!"
 

John Connor

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The U.S. government has only had nominal control over ICANN for nearly two decades. Formally terminating the "oversight" of Commerce Department isn't changing anything and wouldn't make a difference anyway. This fear is akin to saying "OMG the Russians may get control of the Dewey Decimal System and then we won't be able to read books anymore!"


So why hand over control to other countries again?
 

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This is about ICANN. It was supposed to be transitioned in 2000. Then they started up talks again to make plans for it to *really* move to a global oversight in 2014. This is *not* a new thing. And not something that very few people can actually even begin to understand other than "We good, other countries bad!".
 

glenn1

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So why hand over control to other countries again?

It's not getting handed over to other countries, ICANN is the body who already has been and will continue to manage DNS domain names, etc. Getting worked up about this is akin to saying "OMG you mean the U.S. doesn't control the International Standards Organization and worse yet we comply with their standards! ISO 9000 is an evil communist plot being used by Putin!"
 
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zinfamous

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You can only argue with an idiot for so long, dude.

point taken. I am going to try very hard, you know, super hard; I'm going to try harder than anyone else because I'm really the best at trying hard--believe me, no one tries harder than I do--to stop replying to your posts.
 

Jhhnn

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Breitbart? As Jerry Springer once remarked "Crap sells." It's the alt-right version of the Enquirer.
 

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Don't blame them, there's a few Congressman too.

Nope, definitely going to blame Breitbart. They claim to be a journalistic organization but they routinely and purposefully mislead their audience. They are unethical and corrupt to the core.

Part of the blame should probably also go to their audience as they keep going back to the site despite being lied to, but that doesn't absolve Breitbart.
 

zinfamous

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Don't blame them, there's a few Congressman too.

Now it's Congressmen to blame for your failure at independent, critical thought? What about the others in this thread that have evaluated this information before--how did they manage to breach this "wall of congressional duplicity?"

oh shit, I did it again. Yes, this is hard. But I still try harder than anyone else. You are a very-against smart things person, OP, and you make this hard for other posters, but I will manage to do this. I know it.
 

John Connor

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Nope, definitely going to blame Breitbart. They claim to be a journalistic organization but they routinely and purposefully mislead their audience. They are unethical and corrupt to the core.

Part of the blame should probably also go to their audience as they keep going back to the site despite being lied to, but that doesn't absolve Breitbart.


Washington (CNN)Donald Trump's campaign is weighing in at the 11th-hour of negotiations on Capitol Hill over government funding -- and one key sticking point: whether to allow an international consortium to take over the assigning of website domain names.

In an unusual alliance, Trump is siding with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who is leading the push to prevent it from taking effect Oct. 1.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/politics/trump-cruz-internet-domain-names/

Better sire? My most humblest apologies. I shall bring you 40 virgins for my most awful mistake.
 

Atreus21

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This article doesn't make any mention of what the effects of this transition might be.

Honestly, though, what possible awful thing could happen by changing who manages domain names?

This article was informative regarding your question:

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-icann-oversight-vital-check-china-and-russia

In essence, ICANN is responsible for assigning and coordinating domain names and numbers for the Internet, ensuring that its users can find the sites they search for. According to Shane Tews, a visiting fellow with the American Enterprise Institute’s Center for Internet, Communications, and Technology Policy, allowing the contract between the NTIA and ICANN to expire, as it is set to on October 1, wouldn’t amount to relinquishing U.S. control, because the government never controlled ICANN or the Internet to begin with. Rather, the NTIA has been verifying ICANN’s work, allowing the U.S. to assure that the Internet remains uncensored and operating smoothly. If the federal government allows the contract — called the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) function contract — to expire, the verification now performed by the NTIA will become the responsibility of a non-governmental organization, Public Technical Identifiers (PTI).

Under the existing structure, the government of each country that attends an ICANN meeting is allowed input in decisions but doesn’t have a vote. But the structure that would prevail if the IANA function was transferred to PTI would “allow all attending countries to have a vote, which would allow them to have more weight in the process,” Tews tells National Review. By allowing the IANA contract to expire and relinquishing its oversight authority, the federal government would thus give Russia and China direct influence over what is included in the root zone, a standardized file currently hosted by the U.S. that serves as the first step in the process of finding any particular website.

Countries such as China and Russia already censor the Internet domestically, but Cruz and his allies are concerned that the expiration of the IANA contract will make it easier for other tyrannical governments to follow suit, by voting to limit global access to certain sites by removing them from the root zone through ICANN.

“The concern is that the current policy in China and Russia becomes the global norm,” Tews added. “If ICANN took out one of the domain-name extensions . . . it would quickly degrade and it’d be harder and harder to find the thing you’re looking for. So the concern is twofold. One is that if you take something out [of the root], that could be dangerous. The other is that they could not allow something new to be added.”

These concerns stem from knowledge of the way in which China and Russia already manipulate the Internet within their own borders. “The Internet is a way to create communities in religious areas or lifestyle areas like a .Muslim or a .gay, for example,” Tews noted. “And there are certain countries whose governments don’t condone that behavior. The concern is that countries like China or Russia would request that these communities not be brought into the root, and they would no longer be available.”

In a recent Washington Post op-ed, World Wide Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee and technology expert Daniel Weitzner argued that to maintain the existing contract between the NTIA and ICANN would “risk undermining the global consensus that has enabled [the] Internet to function and flourish.” Furthermore, they asserted that ICANN does not play any role in today’s most egregious violations of free speech, that it cannot be used as a censorship tool, and that the U.S. cannot use ICANN to prevent countries from censoring speech. The new structure could enable oppressive regimes to take control of the global Internet and restrict access outside their borders.

But Tews thinks the voting structure that would be instated after October 1 is a bad idea because many countries would horse trade their votes and might, for example, throw their support behind Russia or China in return for those nations’ support in another issue of interest. In this way, the new structure could enable oppressive regimes to take control of the global Internet and restrict access outside their borders. (And, even if the U.S. was able to work around these changes within its own borders, the Internet would still be profoundly changed for the worse worldwide.)

Tews believes that ending the IANA contract at some point is the right thing to do, but that right now isn’t the right time. “I liken it to getting married or getting divorced,” she said. “You can always do either, but only the right time is the right time, not just because someone has a date at the church. . . . They should do it when they’re adequately prepared.”

Meanwhile, Berners-Lee and Weitzner say that if the U.S. does not relinquish this contract, it would “stoop to the level of Russia, China and other authoritarian regimes that believe in the use of force to limit freedom online.” But the current contract doesn’t permit the U.S. to exercise any control over the Internet; rather, it allows the NTIA to ensure that ICANN continues to manage domain names in a manner consistent with free speech and the First Amendment. As Cruz points out, neither ICANN nor any other world power is beholden to the First Amendment, and if the U.S. were to give up its role in the process, there would no longer be any guarantee that First Amendment protections would continue to extend to the Internet.

Berners-Lee and Weitzner also ignore the way in which the NTIA has managed the Internet up to this point. According to Tews, the Commerce Department should be given more credit for the fact that it never attempted to prevent any domain names from being added to the root zone. In fact, she noted that the George W. Bush administration permitted ICANN to adopt .xxx into the root, despite arguments from the religious right that doing so would lead to the proliferation of Internet pornography.
 
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Meghan54

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Posting in a John "I throw spitballs then hide behind my mommy's skirt" Conner thread.
 

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lol, wow. Honestly, maybe 5% of voters even know what DNS or nameservers are.
 

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I agree that some foreign nation could use this power for nefarious purposes. I think it would be hard, but possible.

Thing is, they could also launch missiles at Washington.

They don't have anything to gain from either action.

If there's some covert action this might enable, that would be different. What that might be is failing me, but I'll happily listen if someone suggests one.
 

ivwshane

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I was so hoping this was a post from John Connor saying he was going to stop using the internet. Social media suicide as south park puts it.

How disappointing.
 
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