So lets say you were on a plane...

[acemcmac]

When in doubt, whip it out!

I'd bust out my trouser snake, momentarily stunning everyone, including the hijackers with its massive awesomeness. In the confusion, I'd decapitate each of the hijackers with a 3" piece of used dental floss and a gum wrapper, take control of the plane and land it both safley, and 10 minutes ahead of schedule at the proper gate.

 

[K1052]

I'd set my Dell laptop to battery self destruct mode and throw it at them.

 

[theeedude]

I would take out my shoelaces and strangle him.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

/looks at avatar

Hell, if I'm on the plane, those terrorists are f**ked.

- M4H

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: AgentJean
Careful. You better read up on the use of deadly force laws. It varies from place to place.
If it happens in Kalifornia you'll go to jail and end up paying reporations to the hijackers family for the rest of your natural life. You can retreat by jumping out of the plane after all so your not allowed to use force. You have to retreat.

If your in Florida, you'll be patted on the back, giving a "job well done" and sent on your marry way. You are allowed to stand your ground and kill anyone that is going to commit a forcible felony.


But here's the bigger question. How are you going to kill the terrorist? You have no weapon. Beleive me, if you happend to be able to smuggle a weapon on a plane that is hijacked and are able to kill the threat and get back on land alive, someone will hang you by your cojones for possing the weapon. Your a terrorist after all for carrying a nail clipper.

I think the terrorist threat would be minimize greatly if they allowed law biding citizens conceal carry on planes. Mohammed won't know which of the 200 passagners are packing heat. Could be the Marine in seat 15C or it could be the little old lady in 34B. Heck it could be the spring break crowed in row 4. Right now Mohammed knows everyone is unarmed and can't do squat but DIE.

If you wanna be true airplane security, demand that we sub contact out to El Al to handel security. They don't have terrorist problems. Reason why? They Profile. They know the 80 year old Jewish lady isn't going to blow up the plane and therefor leave her alone. They suspect 20-35 year old Mohammed though and will probe him accordingly.

Yeah, that's a great idea- firearms in a pressurized airplane at 30,000'. I like the concept, but unfortunately, there's no way in hell you wouldn't get armed hijackers and depressurized planes falling from the sky every which way.

 

[mayonnaise]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
Yeah, that's a great idea- firearms in a pressurized airplane at 30,000'. I like the concept, but unfortunately, there's no way in hell you wouldn't get armed hijackers and depressurized planes falling from the sky every which way.

Mythbusters did an espisode on that and I think they proved that a small hole (like a bullet) will not cause a movie like effect and tear the plane into pieces. Their results were: you might hear a hissing sound.. and that's about it.

But I'm not sure what would happen if a bullet shattered a window and left a hole that big.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: mayonnaise

Originally posted by: LtPage1
Yeah, that's a great idea- firearms in a pressurized airplane at 30,000'. I like the concept, but unfortunately, there's no way in hell you wouldn't get armed hijackers and depressurized planes falling from the sky every which way.

Mythbusters did an espisode on that and I think they proved that a small hole (like a bullet) will not cause a movie like effect and tear the plane into pieces. Their results were: you might hear a hissing sound.. and that's about it.

But I'm not sure what would happen if a bullet shattered a window and left a hole that big.

Loss of pressure requiring emergency oxygen and a drop in altitude - if the pumps on board can't keep up, that is. Sure as hell a lot better than the alternative.

Also, look up "frangible ammunition" aka AET (Advanced Energy Transfer) rounds.

- M4H

 

[ArchCenturion]

After 9/11 I doubt any decent American would simply let a few Mohommed's take over a plane. I believe it would take a much larger force than simply 4-5 guys armed with box cutters or whatever. I dunno about others, but if I was on that plane, I would have been right up fvcking sh!t up till they either killed me wounded me to the point where I could no longer move, or someone else jumped in to help me. I would not have gone down quietly.

Anybody know what the weapons that the terrorists used looked like?

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: letdown427

Originally posted by: AgentJean
If you wanna be true airplane security, demand that we sub contact out to El Al to handel security. They don't have terrorist problems. Reason why? They Profile. They know the 80 year old Jewish lady isn't going to blow up the plane and therefor leave her alone. They suspect 20-35 year old Mohammed though and will probe him accordingly.

See I was thinking this, about profiling, as someone said on the radio yesterday about how, this family with 3 kids aren't terrorists, they're british people trying to go on holiday.

If all this profiling took place, and nice old ladies could get through, then terrorists would just focus on recruiting crazed old ladies, or don some face warping latex etc. You can't just let people in because of stereotypes, you're just giving terrorists a way to get in free.

So what state laws apply when you're on a plane? Is it whatever state you're over? (so you'd have to wait until you were over florida to make your killing) or is it tied to where you took off/where you're going to land?

"Err, this is a Captain's announcement, as most of you know, we have a terrorist on board, and now that we've just flown into Floridian airspace, any vigilantes onboard are invitied to try to kill the b@stard with the sporks provided."

They should just make the seat belts automated. No-one can get up unless an "Oh Sh!t" button is pressed in the cockpit.

Loo breaks? Tough.

Did you read the post you quoted? El Al hasn't had any problems in nearly 20 years because of effective use of profiling.

And "they" say the Israelis are stupid. At least they understand terrorism and how to fight it effectively.

Profiling works when applied correctly. Suspect every Arab/Muslium at the Airport but for god's sake leave them alone at 7-11. They are not going to blow up the slurpee machine intentionally .

They OWN the slurpee machine.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Kyanzes
I would sit tight and wait till it ends. To try to neutralize an armed terrorist is probably not the brightest idea for the following reasons:

1., I could endanger others. If I don't succeed he may blows the whole plane up or executes passengers - starting with me obviously.

2., There could be accomplices among the passengers I don't know about. See point 1.

3., There could be a professional law-enforcement operative on-board and may actions could hinder his efforts

4., I'm a coder, not a hero type character.

Ofc if it would be certain that we surely die e.g. the terrorists announce that they are to fly into a building, then there would be no reason to not to try to use force. I mean what could you lose?

and that is why 3/4 planes on 9/11 carried out their missions.

You also should remember that previous hijackings in history have resulted in people demanding money, so people would think it would be best to sit tight and not try and stop them. I would say that the people on the first 3 planes would not have thought that the terrorists would use the planes as weapons. Then again, people shouldn't let terrorists push them around and they should stand up for themselves.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ArchCenturion
After 9/11 I doubt any decent American would simply let a few Mohommed's take over a plane. I believe it would take a much larger force than simply 4-5 guys armed with box cutters or whatever. I dunno about others, but if I was on that plane, I would have been right up fvcking sh!t up till they either killed me wounded me to the point where I could no longer move, or someone else jumped in to help me. I would not have gone down quietly.

Anybody know what the weapons that the terrorists used looked like?

It doesn't matter if they just faked having weapons. Most will just sit and figure *nothing will happen* if we cooperate.

I don't buy into cooperation. This is why it's so easy to pull off things like this once you are past security.

No one wants to speak out, no one wants to react. Hell people are afraid by calling 911 somehow the 'perp' will find out it was them and make it hard on them.

 

[JEDI]

"So lets say you were on a plane and it got hijacked"

I'd armor up, and shoot him with my BFG 9000.

oh wait, wrong game...

 

[eits]

i don't think i would be able to kill the hijacker unless i absolutely had to in self-defense. i would do my best to subdue him and have him restrained until the flight landed. besides, he's more valuable alive than dead.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: AgentJean
Careful. You better read up on the use of deadly force laws. It varies from place to place.
If it happens in Kalifornia you'll go to jail and end up paying reporations to the hijackers family for the rest of your natural life. You can retreat by jumping out of the plane after all so your not allowed to use force. You have to retreat.

If your in Florida, you'll be patted on the back, giving a "job well done" and sent on your marry way. You are allowed to stand your ground and kill anyone that is going to commit a forcible felony.


But here's the bigger question. How are you going to kill the terrorist? You have no weapon. Beleive me, if you happend to be able to smuggle a weapon on a plane that is hijacked and are able to kill the threat and get back on land alive, someone will hang you by your cojones for possing the weapon. Your a terrorist after all for carrying a nail clipper.

I think the terrorist threat would be minimize greatly if they allowed law biding citizens conceal carry on planes. Mohammed won't know which of the 200 passagners are packing heat. Could be the Marine in seat 15C or it could be the little old lady in 34B. Heck it could be the spring break crowed in row 4. Right now Mohammed knows everyone is unarmed and can't do squat but DIE.

If you wanna be true airplane security, demand that we sub contact out to El Al to handel security. They don't have terrorist problems. Reason why? They Profile. They know the 80 year old Jewish lady isn't going to blow up the plane and therefor leave her alone. They suspect 20-35 year old Mohammed though and will probe him accordingly.

it's funny, because as soon as i read "kalifornia," i stopped reading this post. i don't know what the hell else was said after that, but i'm sure it's got something to do with how this jackass knows EVERYTHING about air travel laws and what is or isn't allowed and maybe some tidbit about terrorists and how they operate or something.

it's funny how you automatically deem a post worthless whenever you read lame neo-con "humor" like "kalifornia" (because the germans don't use the letter "c," get it? no? me neither.).

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

But here's the bigger question. How are you going to kill the terrorist? You have no weapon.

Crush their windpipe with my thumb and forefinger or stab them in the heart (via the back, just below the nech would my preferred target) with a pencil or pen.

I also do not think that you can reasonably be expected to "retreat" from a plane.

My "armchair QB" post for the day

Fern

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: AgentJean
Careful. You better read up on the use of deadly force laws. It varies from place to place.
If it happens in Kalifornia you'll go to jail and end up paying reporations to the hijackers family for the rest of your natural life. You can retreat by jumping out of the plane after all so your not allowed to use force. You have to retreat.

If your in Florida, you'll be patted on the back, giving a "job well done" and sent on your marry way. You are allowed to stand your ground and kill anyone that is going to commit a forcible felony.


But here's the bigger question. How are you going to kill the terrorist? You have no weapon. Beleive me, if you happend to be able to smuggle a weapon on a plane that is hijacked and are able to kill the threat and get back on land alive, someone will hang you by your cojones for possing the weapon. Your a terrorist after all for carrying a nail clipper.

I think the terrorist threat would be minimize greatly if they allowed law biding citizens conceal carry on planes. Mohammed won't know which of the 200 passagners are packing heat. Could be the Marine in seat 15C or it could be the little old lady in 34B. Heck it could be the spring break crowed in row 4. Right now Mohammed knows everyone is unarmed and can't do squat but DIE.

If you wanna be true airplane security, demand that we sub contact out to El Al to handel security. They don't have terrorist problems. Reason why? They Profile. They know the 80 year old Jewish lady isn't going to blow up the plane and therefor leave her alone. They suspect 20-35 year old Mohammed though and will probe him accordingly.

it's funny, because as soon as i read "kalifornia," i stopped reading this post. i don't know what the hell else was said after that, but i'm sure it's got something to do with how this jackass knows EVERYTHING about air travel laws and what is or isn't allowed and maybe some tidbit about terrorists and how they operate or something.

it's funny how you automatically deem a post worthless whenever you read lame neo-con "humor" like "kalifornia" (because the germans don't use the letter "c," get it? no? me neither.).

Disregarding the retardedness of the AgentJean's post, but looking at it from a jurisdiction stance, I would imagine that any crimes committed in the air fall under Fedaral jurisdiction seeing as how it would be a question as to which state it would go to and seeing as how states have no control over their airspace (which the Federal government does have control over).

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

And "they" say the Israelis are stupid. At least they understand terrorism and how to fight it effectively.

Yeah, which explains why Israel hasn't had a terrorist attack in years.

Oh wait...

 

[DrPizza]

I tend to believe that hijackings are a thing of the past for the most part. That cockpit door thing probably serves as a good enough deterrent. What I don't think is a thing of the past is people attempting to down airliners. Thus, the "hijacker"/terrorist intends to go down with the plane with everyone else. Death a couple minutes before everyone else probably isn't a deterrent. That's why I still think the best carry-on policy will be a specific list of allowable items, and my list is a very short list: absolute necessities (medicine), a bag of some sort to carry it, and perhaps 2 books.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Baked
Sideline QBs are the bravest. But when the shed hits the fan, they'll panic and freeze like everybody else on plane.

Right, like the guys on Flight 93

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Baked
Sideline QBs are the bravest. But when the shed hits the fan, they'll panic and freeze like everybody else on plane.

Right, like the guys on Flight 93

IIRC, they had knowledge, via cell phones, that they were doomed - it wasn't a typical hijacking. Remember, no one on the other flights apparently did anything.

 

[Syrch]

I'll tell you this, i Fly very frequently (about once a month or so) and if a terrorist started to take over the plane i would go after them. IF i don't i'll probably be dead anyhow. Now I will admit if it was 9-11 i probably would have froze but knowning what they are going to do i'd take action!.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Baked
Sideline QBs are the bravest. But when the shed hits the fan, they'll panic and freeze like everybody else on plane.

Right, like the guys on Flight 93

IIRC, they had knowledge, via cell phones, that they were doomed - it wasn't a typical hijacking. Remember, no one on the other flights apparently did anything.

They cannot really prove or disprove that.

 

[archiloco]

depends if the hijacker was from US or not..if he was domestic, then i would have a good chance of facing jail time or getting sued, if they where foreign then i don't think so.

 

[WolverineGator]

I'd offer him some peanuts... he'd die from the allergic reaction.

 

[kschaffner]

I would take the elastic from my underwear and a magazine and make a paper crossbow. True story believe it or not. You can make a crossbow out of paper and the elastic in your underwear and actually pentrate the skin about 2 inches. You tightly make a cone out of the paper.