So let me get this straight about the PS3....

[SoulAssassin]

Hasn't this already been discussed here a million times? Ch1st, get over it.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: everman
The point is that they should ship the console with equipment that is necessary to use they key features.

Why? Most of their customers don't even have an HDTV. It'd just be money down the drain.

then why have an hdmi output to begin with? or better yet why have blu-ray?

Well, the PS3 will last 5 years (Sony says it will last longer, but they will have to put a replacement out in 5 years when Nintendo and Microsoft are doing the same). In the next 5 years HDTV ownership should increase greatly in the US.

As for Blu-Ray - supposedly so games can be bigger, but that's a line of BS. The only thing they could possibly fill 25 GB with is oodles of high-res cutscenes. The game code, textures, models, sound effects, etc could all easily fit on a DVD-9. The few that *need* that many cutscenes could use multiple discs as has been done in the past.

But the real reason for including Blu-Ray is so they can say they have millions of blu-ray players installed vs far fewer HD-DVD players and use that to win the format war. Nevermind that most people won't actually be watching Blu-Ray movies on their PS3s initially, Sony's marketing department has no qualms about outright lying.

Have you seen a Blu-Ray movie on 1080P? My god, it makes anything else I've seen look like SH!T. Go to your nearest high-end A/V store and take a peak, then come back and say people won't be using the PS3 for Blu-Ray. For $600 it's a steal. That's fact.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: everman
The point is that they should ship the console with equipment that is necessary to use they key features.

why?

As a product manager looking over the launch I sure as hell wouldn't.

Spidey, you're looking at this from a technical standpoint. From a business standpoint, you must make your customers happy. The PS3 is shaping up to be another disaster from Sony, and they could definitely use some goodwill after the battery debacle.

 

[ElFenix]

how else are they supposed to sell sony component or hdmi cables for 500% markup?

besides, most people don't have hdtv, so why include cables they can't use at the moment?

Originally posted by: James3shin
Have you seen a Blu-Ray movie on 1080P? My god, it makes anything else I've seen look like SH!T. Go to your nearest high-end A/V store and take a peak, then come back and say people won't be using the PS3 for Blu-Ray. For $600 it's a steal. That's fact.

iirc, HD-DVD has been blowing blu-ray out of the water for the last several months.

and i doubt watching blue ray on HDTV is as big a jump as going from VHS on 80s TVs to DVD on 00s TVs was.

 

[James3shin]

Do you folks understand business? When is business about pleasing customers? It's about making dollars. Have any of you actually taken a minute out and gone outside to see what the buzz is? Around my way, the PS3 is like sliced bread, and is sold out. There is no talk about any other console. The average consumer has no clue about the laptop batteries, no inkling about business practices, just what they see on TV or hear from other people. Right now, people hear and see the PS3 as the end-all console with "the best graphics," "most powerful" yada yada. Get over it, the PS3 will sell, go trick or treat now.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
how else are they supposed to sell sony component or hdmi cables for 500% markup?

besides, most people don't have hdtv, so why include cables they can't use at the moment?

Originally posted by: James3shin
Have you seen a Blu-Ray movie on 1080P? My god, it makes anything else I've seen look like SH!T. Go to your nearest high-end A/V store and take a peak, then come back and say people won't be using the PS3 for Blu-Ray. For $600 it's a steal. That's fact.

iirc, HD-DVD has been blowing blu-ray out of the water for the last several months.

and i doubt watching blue ray on HDTV is as big a jump as going from VHS on 80s TVs to DVD on 00s TVs was.

If you remember correctly? Go out and take a look at a Tweeter, or Magnolia, stop living life through a forum and go for a first hand look. You will not be dissappointed.

NOTE: Tweeter has a HD-DVD setup that looked hella nice as well.

 

[Alex]

sony = shiat

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: James3shin

If you remember correctly? Go out and take a look at a Tweeter, or Magnolia, stop living life through a forum and go for a first hand look. You will not be dissappointed.

NOTE: Tweeter has a HD-DVD setup that looked hella nice as well.

i dunno about tweeter, but i don't trust best buy to do anything but sabotage the lower end stuff to make the high margin stuff look nicer.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: everman
The point is that they should ship the console with equipment that is necessary to use they key features.

why?

As a product manager looking over the launch I sure as hell wouldn't.

spidey, you're looking at it from Sony's point of view....everman is looking at it from the consumer's point of view. Sony wants the high-profit margins from the probably $40+ cable, the consumer wants all the components neccessary to get everything out of his/her purchase that Sony has been marketing this whole time.

right, which is unrealistic. The only view that counts is Sony's since they're the ones selling the item.

Wrong. WRONG. The only view that counts is the consumer's since they will be the one's buying the units. If they don't pay, Sony loses a bundle. It's going to be tough to generate demand as is with the current price, then tack on the fact that they are selling a crippled system out of the box? That won't go over too well.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Have you seen a Blu-Ray movie on 1080P? My god, it makes anything else I've seen look like SH!T. Go to your nearest high-end A/V store and take a peak, then come back and say people won't be using the PS3 for Blu-Ray. For $600 it's a steal. That's fact.

Yes, but only 10-15% of Americans have an HDTV... and that's why I said most people will not use it to watch Blu-Ray movies. At least not yet (and by the time HDTVs are more popular, next-gen DVD players will be much cheaper). Of course I'm referring to people who buy it primarily as a video game system, certainly there are people who will buy it mainly to play movies.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: James3shin

If you remember correctly? Go out and take a look at a Tweeter, or Magnolia, stop living life through a forum and go for a first hand look. You will not be dissappointed.

NOTE: Tweeter has a HD-DVD setup that looked hella nice as well.

i dunno about tweeter, but i don't trust best buy to do anything but sabotage the lower end stuff to make the high margin stuff look nicer.

Are you a schizo or just hella paranoid? Somethings are just better then others, the guys at bestbuy don't know how to configure a fvcking fry pan, let alone a HDTV. If you like, go to any highend a/v store and take a look. By the way, Magnolia is not that bad, they carry some "decent" merchandise, ala Martin Logans, and Elites from my peek.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: James3shin
Do you folks understand business? When is business about pleasing customers? It's about making dollars.

You apparantly don't understand business very well.

Have any of you actually taken a minute out and gone outside to see what the buzz is? Around my way, the PS3 is like sliced bread, and is sold out. There is no talk about any other console.

College student?

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: James3shin

Have you seen a Blu-Ray movie on 1080P? My god, it makes anything else I've seen look like SH!T. Go to your nearest high-end A/V store and take a peak, then come back and say people won't be using the PS3 for Blu-Ray. For $600 it's a steal. That's fact.

Yes, but only 10-15% of Americans have an HDTV... and that's why I said most people will not use it to watch Blu-Ray players. At least not yet (and by the time HDTVs are more popular, next-gen DVD players will be much cheaper). Of course I'm referring to people who buy it primarily as a video game system, certainly there are people who will buy it mainly to play movies.

You act like that 10-15% will not grow. With the 360 being released and PS3 coming, along with more HD-buzz in the public, that number is growing at an alarming rate.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: spidey07
What kind or moron would not get the appropriate cables to connect the source to the display?

Don't blame sony. Blame morons that buy a 4K TV and don't have a freakin' clue.

I really can go on and on about friends, parents of friends, etc that show off their new TV and High Definition. Only to realize that what they've been oggling and "ooohh, ahhhh" is NOT high definition.

If I had a dime for every "home theater" comprised of a 4000 dollar HD display showing NON HD content as a "look at that picture fella! Yep, that's pretty sweet isn't it?" I would never have to work again.

It's to the point that I can't even watch somebody show off their home theater. I don't have the heart to tell them their 10-15 thousand bucks looks and sounds like crap and could easy be fixed with some recabling.

My xbox 360 came with the component cables and a nice ethernet cable as well.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: James3shin
Do you folks understand business? When is business about pleasing customers? It's about making dollars.

You apparantly don't understand business very well.

Have any of you actually taken a minute out and gone outside to see what the buzz is? Around my way, the PS3 is like sliced bread, and is sold out. There is no talk about any other console.

College student?

yup, (double major, chem and bio) does that have anything to do with this thread? Apparently, you are also very naive in business if you think it's about "pleasing customers" In the end, it does not matter how many pleased customers you have, its about whether or not you are in the red or black.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: James3shin
Do you folks understand business? When is business about pleasing customers? It's about making dollars. Have any of you actually taken a minute out and gone outside to see what the buzz is? Around my way, the PS3 is like sliced bread, and is sold out. There is no talk about any other console. The average consumer has no clue about the laptop batteries, no inkling about business practices, just what they see on TV or hear from other people. Right now, people hear and see the PS3 as the end-all console with "the best graphics," "most powerful" yada yada. Get over it, the PS3 will sell, go trick or treat now.

1)you know how you generate dollers? please the ****** customer

2) sold out? christ its nto even released yet! not to mention the initial release is really fricken tiny

3_ you would be suprised about what the avarage consumer knows.

of course it will sale. but it is not going to be the #1 console.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Are you a schizo or just hella paranoid?

no, i've worked in sales before. have you?

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: James3shin

Are you a schizo or just hella paranoid?

no, i've worked in sales before. have you?

Former EB employee, BestBuy car-fi sales, then went to install bay.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: James3shin

Have you seen a Blu-Ray movie on 1080P? My god, it makes anything else I've seen look like SH!T. Go to your nearest high-end A/V store and take a peak, then come back and say people won't be using the PS3 for Blu-Ray. For $600 it's a steal. That's fact.

Yes, but only 10-15% of Americans have an HDTV... and that's why I said most people will not use it to watch Blu-Ray players. At least not yet (and by the time HDTVs are more popular, next-gen DVD players will be much cheaper). Of course I'm referring to people who buy it primarily as a video game system, certainly there are people who will buy it mainly to play movies.

I'm guessing that those 10-15% of Americans that have a HDTV will be the majority of the people that can afford to buy the PS3.

 

[Kelnoen]

15% of market have hdtv's

cable costs $4?
after 5 million units have been sold, 4,250,000 (4 million) don't need cable
5 million cables = $20,000,000
$17,000,000 dollars wasted

no cables in box
2000 people boycott console due to no cable
2000 * $600 = $1,200,000 (1.2 mil)

they'd rather lose a few thousand customers than lose a few bucks per unit.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: everman
The point is that they should ship the console with equipment that is necessary to use they key features.

why?

As a product manager looking over the launch I sure as hell wouldn't.

spidey, you're looking at it from Sony's point of view....everman is looking at it from the consumer's point of view. Sony wants the high-profit margins from the probably $40+ cable, the consumer wants all the components neccessary to get everything out of his/her purchase that Sony has been marketing this whole time.

right, which is unrealistic. The only view that counts is Sony's since they're the ones selling the item.

Wrong. WRONG. The only view that counts is the consumer's since they will be the one's buying the units. If they don't pay, Sony loses a bundle. It's going to be tough to generate demand as is with the current price, then tack on the fact that they are selling a crippled system out of the box? That won't go over too well.

What is pretty ironic is that if they included the cable in the box, then everyone here would be b!tching that they jacked up the price $40 for a $10 cable...the sony bashers will always find something to b!tch about, so Sony can't win for losing at anandtech.

And for those who think that the PS3 won't sell, gimme a freakin' break already.
If you don't like Sony, then don't buy it...But there will be plenty of other people who will.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: James3shin

You act like that 10-15% will not grow. With the 360 being released and PS3 coming, along with more HD-buzz in the public, that number is growing at an alarming rate.

Are you illiterate or something?

I get tired of repeating the same things over and over and over again because people like you don't READ and THINK before you reply. Please do those two things before replying to me in the future, or just don't bother.

I've never said or implied that the 10-15% will not grow. In a post that YOU QUOTED I said "In the next 5 years HDTV ownership should increase greatly in the US."

I also said "Nevermind that most people won't actually be watching Blu-Ray movies on their PS3s initially," and "I said most people will not use it to watch Blu-Ray [movies]. At least not yet."

How did you get the impression that I was talking about any time other than now? It is important that I am talking about now and not later, because now is a critical time for Sony's Blu-Ray with regard to the movie industry. They're losing to HD-DVD, and they need to catch up. PS3 allows them to slingshot ahead in the "format war" even if those drives aren't being used to play movie, which most people believe is the real reason Sony put the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3. That was my original point, if you go back to what I said and don't take things out of context.

Personally I wish they made the Blu-Ray drive an add-on, because I'm not going to spend $600 on a video game system.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: James3shin

yup, (double major, chem and bio) does that have anything to do with this thread? Apparently, you are also very naive in business if you think it's about "pleasing customers" In the end, it does not matter how many pleased customers you have, its about whether or not you are in the red or black.

Of course I don't think it's all about pleasing customers. You keep your customers happy so they keep coming back. It's easier and cheaper to keep a current customer than to find a new one.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: James3shin
Do you folks understand business? When is business about pleasing customers? It's about making dollars. Have any of you actually taken a minute out and gone outside to see what the buzz is? Around my way, the PS3 is like sliced bread, and is sold out. There is no talk about any other console. The average consumer has no clue about the laptop batteries, no inkling about business practices, just what they see on TV or hear from other people. Right now, people hear and see the PS3 as the end-all console with "the best graphics," "most powerful" yada yada. Get over it, the PS3 will sell, go trick or treat now.

1)you know how you generate dollers? please the ****** customer

2) sold out? christ its nto even released yet! not to mention the initial release is really fricken tiny

3_ you would be suprised about what the avarage consumer knows.

of course it will sale. but it is not going to be the #1 console.

I'm sorry but you can generate dollars without pleasing customers. If you think otherwise, you're being horribly fooled. People are paying hand-over fist for garbage products (bose, sony laptops, ipods, windows, 360's, PS2's) these days that fail to please customers, you just need to satisfy the customer at best. Sometimes satisfaction is not needed, as long as you make the consumer believe it's a good product. Second, all PS3 preorders across the US from what I've heard and read are spoken for, actually as you may know, some of the PS3's will be sold twice Third, you give the general population too much credit, you may live in a well-educated suburban location, that are filled with savy consumers, but somehow I highly doubt a location like that exists in the world. I say once, go out to your nearest video game store and just look around at the games, play a few demos if you have time and just listen to the rambling.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Kelnoen
15% of market have hdtv's

cable costs $4?
after 5 million units have been sold, 4,250,000 (4 million) don't need cable
5 million cables = $20,000,000
$17,000,000 dollars wasted

no cables in box
2000 people boycott console due to no cable
2000 * $600 = $1,200,000 (1.2 mil)

they'd rather lose a few thousand customers than lose a few bucks per unit.

that's not a 1.2 million loss because they'll sell every single one of those consoles.