Setting: Hardball with Chris Matthews
Excerpts from interview:
OK, so what we know so far is that Dean thought he was for a worker's right to work without joining a union...but then decided that he actually was AGAINST workers choosing to work without joining a union. WTF!? He stumbles and bumbles the question as to WHY workers shouldn't be able to choose.
He then decided to switch his position on 14B. If you notice up top he said "No, I would not," when asked if he would "repeal 14B?". Now all of a sudden he says that he would sign a bill that repealed 14B!
Oh, wait...there is more!
WOW!!! I can't believe the press hasn't picked up on this part of the interview. They keep yapping about his skiing and deferment, or about his sealed records in Vermont - all the while ignoring a big domestic policy position!
As some of you know - I detest most unions, for a variety of reasons - but this isn't about any of that. This is about a man who would DESTROY workers rights by FORCING them to join a union if the shop is unionized. Little Dick isn't off the hook on this either as he's actually pushing this sort of legislation.
CkG
Edit for linky to transcript
Excerpts from interview:
MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask it-let me ask it totally open. Do you think a person has a right to work somewhere if they don?t want to join a union?
DEAN: I do.
No, wait a minute. I don?t.
MATTHEWS: Why not? What?s wrong with an open shop where you can...
DEAN: I?ll tell you what?s the matter with it. Here is the problem with open-and, look, there?s obviously arguments to be made on...
MATTHEWS: A lot of states have right-to-work laws. You would get rid of them?
DEAN: I don?t like-well, I very much believe that states ought to have the right to recognize-to organize their own laws. So I?m not likely as president to-even though I don?t like right-to-work laws, I?m unlikely to order states to change them.
MATTHEWS: So you wouldn?t repeal 14B?
DEAN: No, I would not, but...
MATTHEWS: So you are different than Gephardt. He is with the unions.
You are not.
(LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: I?m serious.
DEAN: All right...
MATTHEWS: I hate it. It?s called HARDBALL. This isn?t ?Success? magazine, OK?
(APPLAUSE)
DEAN: Let me tell you what-I actually believe in card check. I believe you shouldn?t have to have an election, that people who want to join a union should just be able to sign a card and join it. Let me tell you where I am on...
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: You are against-you do not believe in repealing 14B?
You?re not going to accept the challenge from Gephardt to do that?
DEAN: If I got a bill on my desk that repealed 14B, I?d sign it in an instant. I?m just not going to push it hard...
MATTHEWS: OK.
DEAN: Because I do believe states have to have make their own judgments of that.
OK, so what we know so far is that Dean thought he was for a worker's right to work without joining a union...but then decided that he actually was AGAINST workers choosing to work without joining a union. WTF!? He stumbles and bumbles the question as to WHY workers shouldn't be able to choose.
He then decided to switch his position on 14B. If you notice up top he said "No, I would not," when asked if he would "repeal 14B?". Now all of a sudden he says that he would sign a bill that repealed 14B!
Oh, wait...there is more!
WHAT!? "it's OK to be forced to join a union"? Sorry - but that doesn't sound like "freedom" to me - it sounds like extortion. The excuse about the Union negotiating the wages is BS. Non-union workers are NOT guaranteed the same "things" that union workers are supposedly getting via their negotiated union contract.MATTHEWS: OK.
DEAN: I hate right-to-work laws.
And let me tell you why it?s OK to be forced to join a union. The union is out there negotiating for your wage increases. Why should you get a free ride? Why should you should be able to go to work for that company, get the same benefits as everybody else who paid their union dues and you paid nothing? That?s why I?m against right-to-work laws.
MATTHEWS: OK.
Yeah sure you do...but yet you'd sign a bill that repeals 14B which is exactly what gives the states a say in the matter.DEAN: But I do believe it?s important for states to be able to make their own laws.
Bing-fricken-O! Because it's a free country is exactly right. Workers who don't want to be FORCED to join a union shouldn't have to.MATTHEWS: You understand why a libertarian would disagree with you, right? A libertarian would think they had a right, he or she, to work where they can do the job.
DEAN: Yes, but why should they-but why should they get the benefits of everybody else who is paying dues and get a free ride?
MATTHEWS: Because it?s a free country.
WOW!!! I can't believe the press hasn't picked up on this part of the interview. They keep yapping about his skiing and deferment, or about his sealed records in Vermont - all the while ignoring a big domestic policy position!
As some of you know - I detest most unions, for a variety of reasons - but this isn't about any of that. This is about a man who would DESTROY workers rights by FORCING them to join a union if the shop is unionized. Little Dick isn't off the hook on this either as he's actually pushing this sort of legislation.
CkG
Edit for linky to transcript