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So I've been comparing 980TI with Rage Fury X - are results similar for other classes

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SaltyNuts

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So I've looked at a lot of comparisons for 980TI versus Fury X, and it seems to me that although Fury X wins some of the time, more often the 980TI wins, and where it especially shines is the MINIMUM frame rate, which it seems to much better at than the Fury X and is probably more important as long as it is at or above playability level.

So if I scale down through the video cards to lower costs levels, does this same type of relationship generally hold true? I would guess so generally, at least as long as the same GPU architectures are involved. I might just go all out for the 980TI, but might downgrade a bit to a card from either company on the theory that I can wait a while for new tech to drop.

Thanks!
 
No, at different price points, AMD and Nvidia has cards that swap position. Always look at comparisons for your price point. The part that is particularly nice about the 980ti, if you go high end, is that it has loads of OC room. If you compare that Lightning, happy medium linked, the difference between it and the Fury X can be close to 20%.
 
At 4K, the Fury X is faster than the 980 Ti by some margin via TPU's latest performance index. It also has better dual GPU scaling.

The 980 Ti can gain lost ground via overclocking, but you have to remember that the GM200 chip on 28 nm is a very hungry beast. It doesn't have the same TDP advantage that the GM204 chips have(the 980, 970, 960 etc) over their competition, so your heat will increase quite a bit. Plus the Fury X is watercooled so it stays much cooler and the latest revisions also have no coil whine/quiet fans.

If you plan to game on 1440p or below, the 980 Ti is a better buy, but not at 4K. And this is before AMD's soon-to-be-launched annual driver improvement package, which is out in just a few weeks, which should add even more improvements.
 
Mondozei said:
At 4K, the Fury X is faster than the 980 Ti by some margin via TPU's latest performance index. It also has better dual GPU scaling.

If you plan to game on 1440p or below, the 980 Ti is a better buy, but not at 4K. And this is before AMD's soon-to-be-launched annual driver improvement package, which is out in just a few weeks, which should add even more improvements.
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I find it hard to justify the fury-x over the 980ti for 4k gaming.

At 4k, where the fury-x gets its best performance, I would still go with the 980ti for the extra 2GB of vram. For a CF setup I can't see how dropping $1200 on a setup with 4GB of memory headroom is a good buy.

Of course, the fury-x is tiny. So it does have its niche. =]
 
Was on the fence between 980 Ti and Fury X (actually, I wasn't even considering 980 Ti at the start).

Once Fury X hit the scene the reviews for my resolution weren't very impressive, considering for the same price the 980 Ti was faster at the games I play most often. Then factor that weasel Gameworks and buying AMD seemed almost like a bad idea (factor in MGS5 was announced as Gameworks and FFXIV got Gameworks, two games I was very interested in at the time of purchase).

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For the same cost, the Fury X doesn't seem like a good choice unless you're going to buy two. I went 980 Ti, OC'd, can't remember off the top of my head how much power draw increased, but it wasn't very much.
 
Mondozei said:
At 4K, the Fury X is faster than the 980 Ti by some margin via TPU's latest performance index. It also has better dual GPU scaling.

The 980 Ti can gain lost ground via overclocking, but you have to remember that the GM200 chip on 28 nm is a very hungry beast. It doesn't have the same TDP advantage that the GM204 chips have(the 980, 970, 960 etc) over their competition, so your heat will increase quite a bit. Plus the Fury X is watercooled so it stays much cooler and the latest revisions also have no coil whine/quiet fans.

If you plan to game on 1440p or below, the 980 Ti is a better buy, but not at 4K. And this is before AMD's soon-to-be-launched annual driver improvement package, which is out in just a few weeks, which should add even more improvements.
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Even at 4K, if you intend to OC, even to modest levels, the 980ti pulls way ahead. The Fury X has no OC room, the 980ti has a ton. If you plan to buy aftermarket versions with factory OC's, the 980ti pulls ahead. The Lightning is 20% faster, for example.
 
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bystander36 said:
The Fury X has no OC room, the 980ti has a ton.
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Yup, still waiting on voltage control for this overclockers dream of a card. Cant even get 50mhz stable out of mine. Both 980ti's are over 1.4ghz sustained on day one without touching voltage offset.
 
If you overclock the 980 Ti is the clear cut winner. Even if you don't overclock, you can buy the Zotac 980 Ti Amp Extreme with a pretty huge factory overclock for $20 more than the stock 980 Ti and it's still the clear cut winner at $670.

Once you get back down into the 200-300 holdover range, the 390 and 970 are pretty neck to neck but id give the lead to the 390 due to the better amount of VRAM. 390x and 980 are both not worth buying.
 
n0x1ous said:
Yup, still waiting on voltage control for this overclockers dream of a card. Cant even get 50mhz stable out of mine. Both 980ti's are over 1.4ghz sustained on day one without touching voltage offset.
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Are you running any custom BIOS on your cards? I'm pretty sure I'm power limited. Great temps with my EVGA Hybrid kit, but still stuck at the same max clocks regardless what I put the mvolt slider to. I think I'm hitting the 106% powerlimit 🙁
 
railven said:
Are you running any custom BIOS on your cards? I'm pretty sure I'm power limited. Great temps with my EVGA Hybrid kit, but still stuck at the same max clocks regardless what I put the mvolt slider to. I think I'm hitting the 106% powerlimit 🙁
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stock bios. Mine have 110% on the power limit though and I obviously have that maxed out.
 
railven said:
SOB! I need to get myself a custom bios, for kicks and giggles.
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my bottom card will actually do over 1.5ghz on its own (has an 85% ASIC score!) but the top card can't so I leave them both synced up on the overclock to a little over 1.4ghz 🙂
 
n0x1ous said:
Yup, still waiting on voltage control for this overclockers dream of a card. Cant even get 50mhz stable out of mine. Both 980ti's are over 1.4ghz sustained on day one without touching voltage offset.
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such a crappy launch by amd. the only reason as of right now to get fury x is for the water cooling. by the time dx12 is common in games, I bet a mid range 14nm gpu would smoke it and 980ti in performance.

but then again, I deem this entire generation from both companies to be a lost cause.
 
Flapdrol1337 said:
Anybody know why there are no factory overclocked fury and fury X cards?
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n0x1ous said:
They are all factory overclocked........by AMD before launch to try and close the gap with 980ti. Hence no end user overclock-ability left for end user.
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There are OC'd cards, but when I pointed it out in another thread someone said they didn't count:

Asus Fury:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121975

Has a 1020mhz OC mode. That's 20mhz over stock!!!!!!!

MSI Fury X 4G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127890

Has the memory at 1000mhz!!!!! That's 500mhz over stock!!!! Though I honestly think it's a typo. Their product page states both 1000mhz and 500mhz.

http://www.msi.com/product/graphics-card/R9-Fury-X-4G.html#hero-specification
 
railven said:
There are OC'd cards, but when I pointed it out in another thread someone said they didn't count:

Asus Fury:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121975

Has a 1020mhz OC mode. That's 20mhz over stock!!!!!!!

MSI Fury X 4G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127890

Has the memory at 1000mhz!!!!! That's 500mhz over stock!!!! Though I honestly think it's a typo. Their product page states both 1000mhz and 500mhz.

http://www.msi.com/product/graphics-card/R9-Fury-X-4G.html#hero-specification
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The first one isn't a Fury X. The 2nd one is likely a typo. I believe the Fury X only comes in the reference model, much like the Titan (X).

Though 20mhz is not much of an OC anyway.
 
n0x1ous said:
Yup, still waiting on voltage control for this overclockers dream of a card. Cant even get 50mhz stable out of mine. Both 980ti's are over 1.4ghz sustained on day one without touching voltage offset.
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I was able to get 25mhz out of my Fury X, overclockers dream my ass D:

it's the worst overclocking result I've got from any single gpu I've owned.
 
For 4k, multiple cards are recommended. AMD does do better with crossfire, unfortunately we are limited to 4GB with fury(x) cards. It may make more sense to trifire 390s, would like to see benchmarks of that.
 
SaltyNuts said:
So I've looked at a lot of comparisons for 980TI versus Fury X, and it seems to me that although Fury X wins some of the time, more often the 980TI wins, and where it especially shines is the MINIMUM frame rate, which it seems to much better at than the Fury X and is probably more important as long as it is at or above playability level.

So if I scale down through the video cards to lower costs levels, does this same type of relationship generally hold true? I would guess so generally, at least as long as the same GPU architectures are involved. I might just go all out for the 980TI, but might downgrade a bit to a card from either company on the theory that I can wait a while for new tech to drop.

Thanks!
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980Ti is the better choice over Fury X. As for architecture, it depends.

For instance in the latest TPU review of 980Ti lightning, 390X is 51% faster than 280X at 1440p, while Fury X is only 20% than 390X faster despite 390X only has 37.5% increase in shaders over 280X while Fury X is 45% increase over 390X.

So it's likely that Fury cards will gain in time but will it be enough to compete with overclocked 980Ti(to the max at 1.5Ghz) is another matter.
As of now it's 5% faster than the ref. 980Ti which is halfway to about 10% faster OCed 980Ti models.
 
I have bought AMD for the past 4 generations and was set to buy Fury X but the 4GB of VRAM VS 6GB was a deal breaker. At stock they trade blows but the 980ti overclocks like a beast (mine are at 1410) and at that frequency 980tis demolish Fury x which has very little OC headroom. In addition to that 980ti works better with the games I play at 4K. If you look at my previous posts I could have been described as an AMD loyalist but I had to vote with my head and wallet rather than my heart.
 
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