So is a 3000+ winchester the same performance as a 3000+ newcastle.

[karma4jake]

So do they perform the same but one socket obviously has better upgrade options so costs more?

 

[DerwenArtos12]

IF one os a 754 and one is 939 then the 939 winchester has few advantages
1. 939 is 5-10% faster due to dual channel ram.
2. the winchester core overclocks an an average of 2.6ghz
3. the 939 will give you better upgradability in the near future. I am not saying that this socket is going to to last as loing an something like 478 or 423 did but 754 is dying.

 

[hundesau]

The winchester is better. It gets less hot, consumes less energy, is better occable, performs slightly better (3%) and thats it basically. If u considering buyin a new System get a socket 939 board which supports the winchesters.

 

[karma4jake]

Thanks I'm gonna go with the 3000+ winchester and an asus a8v deluxe board.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
IF one os a 754 and one is 939 then the 939 winchester has few advantages
1. 939 is 5-10% faster due to dual channel ram.
2. the winchester core overclocks an an average of 2.6ghz
3. the 939 will give you better upgradability in the near future. I am not saying that this socket is going to to last as loing an something like 478 or 423 did but 754 is dying.

i've read places that there will be a s754 nf4 board or two out there (tho not as nice as the ones 939 are getting obviously) so i guess i wouldn't put 754 to bed just yet.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
IF one os a 754 and one is 939 then the 939 winchester has few advantages
1. 939 is 5-10% faster due to dual channel ram.
2. the winchester core overclocks an an average of 2.6ghz
3. the 939 will give you better upgradability in the near future. I am not saying that this socket is going to to last as loing an something like 478 or 423 did but 754 is dying.

i've read places that there will be a s754 nf4 board or two out there (tho not as nice as the ones 939 are getting obviously) so i guess i wouldn't put 754 to bed just yet.

Im gonna have to call BS on the boards. Im not saying you didnt read it but, I will sh!t my pants if anyone ever bothers making one.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
IF one os a 754 and one is 939 then the 939 winchester has few advantages
1. 939 is 5-10% faster due to dual channel ram.
2. the winchester core overclocks an an average of 2.6ghz
3. the 939 will give you better upgradability in the near future. I am not saying that this socket is going to to last as loing an something like 478 or 423 did but 754 is dying.

It's worth also noting that the S754 Newcastle does not run at the same clock speed as the S939 Winchester; the Winchester is at 1.8ghz and the Newcastle at 2.0ghz, so much of that speed improvement due to dual channel RAM is lost.

PS DerwenArtos12 Nvidia announced 3 NF4 chipsets: the SLI, Ultra, and suffix-less "basic". The "basic" was designed for cheap S754 systems running Semprons, though it can be used with S754 A64's too. You may want to clean yourself up

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
IF one os a 754 and one is 939 then the 939 winchester has few advantages
1. 939 is 5-10% faster due to dual channel ram.
2. the winchester core overclocks an an average of 2.6ghz
3. the 939 will give you better upgradability in the near future. I am not saying that this socket is going to to last as loing an something like 478 or 423 did but 754 is dying.

It's worth also noting that the S754 Newcastle does not run at the same clock speed as the S939 Winchester; the Winchester is at 1.8ghz and the Newcastle at 2.0ghz, so much of that speed improvement due to dual channel RAM is lost.

PS DerwenArtos12 Nvidia announced 3 NF4 chipsets: the SLI, Ultra, and suffix-less "basic". The "basic" was designed for cheap S754 systems running Semprons, though it can be used with S754 A64's too. You may want to clean yourself up

I'll believe it when I see it. That would be an utter waste of an otherwise GREAT platform. The only reason I can see for doing this would be to migrate s754over to PCI-E and what the point in that. s754 will not make through the end of the year, why spend extra money on your video card when the price point between the lower end cpus is so minimal, and a board with the standard nf4 for 754 is not going to cost much if any less than a s939 board based on the standard nf4 chipset.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
IF one os a 754 and one is 939 then the 939 winchester has few advantages
1. 939 is 5-10% faster due to dual channel ram.
2. the winchester core overclocks an an average of 2.6ghz
3. the 939 will give you better upgradability in the near future. I am not saying that this socket is going to to last as loing an something like 478 or 423 did but 754 is dying.

It's worth also noting that the S754 Newcastle does not run at the same clock speed as the S939 Winchester; the Winchester is at 1.8ghz and the Newcastle at 2.0ghz, so much of that speed improvement due to dual channel RAM is lost.

PS DerwenArtos12 Nvidia announced 3 NF4 chipsets: the SLI, Ultra, and suffix-less "basic". The "basic" was designed for cheap S754 systems running Semprons, though it can be used with S754 A64's too. You may want to clean yourself up

I'll believe it when I see it. That would be an utter waste of an otherwise GREAT platform. The only reason I can see for doing this would be to migrate s754over to PCI-E and what the point in that. s754 will not make through the end of the year, why spend extra money on your video card when the price point between the lower end cpus is so minimal, and a board with the standard nf4 for 754 is not going to cost much if any less than a s939 board based on the standard nf4 chipset.

S754 isn't dieing any time soon, AMD is keeping it for the Sempron's for quite some time to come. As a result, PCIe is being migrated over to S754 boards, so that Sempron systems can ship with support for the now-modern PCIe standard. PCIe isn't just about video cards you know - LAN, audio, and other cards will use it too.