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Arkaign

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Well this thread took quite a turn.

If he's serious about getting the absolute best single threaded performance, he's actually now in reach.

Sell the silly x299 stuff, get a decent Z390 board and 9600k, slap a Noctua 15 on it, and aim for 5.2Ghz with DDR4-4000 CL15. Don't use optane, get a solid nVME x4 SSD. It's essentially unreachable by anything else besides similarly clocked CL stuff, and the go-to for 144/165/240hz gamers.
 
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danny man

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I'm not a troll. I asked around on a few other sites. I also asked others that play warband what kind of FPS others were getting with mods and bigger battle sizes. I found that a x299 and Thread ripper systems gave the best FPS.
Given that I'm using 7 on the system Thread ripper and z390 made no since over the x299 setup.

The board was indeed free as it had bent pins, the previous owner had an i5 in the board and went to upgrade it to a i9 and bent the pins when taking the old CPU out of the socket.
After bending the pins back into place I found a good deal on a 9800x for $299 at my local micro center.
Basically I have about 350$ in the system by reusing the parts I had sitting around.
Specks are not the best, 9800x, 16gb ram, 2 780ti's, 512gb SSD. But it does what I want and then some.

Sure I could have sold the x299 board and the 780s and gotten something others feel is better. Oddly most everyone here and on other sites too did not pay much attention to me needs. I'm not a modern gamer, I don't use the system for the internet, I play mostly old games and did not want to have a second PC just to just to play warbarnd. So going x299 made alot of since. Good cpu for $299, already had a board, windows 7 support, PS/2 port for my old thrustmaster FCS setup and so on.
 
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crashtech

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@danny man , I'm glad you got into a high performing system for a great price, but I think your criticism that no one here paid attention to your needs is a little unfair. Congrats on the motherboard score, it's not every day that those little pins can be straightened out!
 
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crashtech

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I agree, but so was the criticism for me going x299 and peple calling me a troll unfair.
When people go out of their way to research and give me advice, I do my best to express gratitude. Since you didn't do that, and bought almost the opposite of what you said you initially wanted, you essentially wasted everyone's time without even being polite about it. So I can't blame them for the things they said.
 
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amrnuke

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I'm not a troll. I asked around on a few other sites. I also asked others that play warband what kind of FPS others were getting with mods and bigger battle sizes. I found that a x299 and Thread ripper systems gave the best FPS.
The board was indeed free as it had bent pins, the previous owner had an i5 in the board and went to upgrade it to a i9 and bent the pins when taking the old CPU out of the socket.
OK...
After bending the pins back into place I found a good deal on a 9800x for $299 at my local micro center.
I'm sorry, what? You bent the pins back in place on a board the supports an i5 and i9 (1151), and then somehow fit a 9800X (2066) into it? So which is it... was it an x299 or a Z390 or a 360? It's so hard to keep your story straight.

But let's keep going...
Basically I have about 350$ in the system by reusing the parts I had sitting around.
Specks are not the best, 9800x, 16gb ram, 2 780ti's, 512gb SSD. But it does what I want and then some.
You didn't ask for something that "does what I want and then some".
Anyway my budget for the CPU is around 120$ and around 75$ for a mATX or ITX motherboard.
You stated you wanted the best single-core performance for $195 for CPU + mobo.
M&B is not all to well made and it racks up one core to the point that even some less recent I7's can be bogged down once you mod it or up the battle size count.
Anyway given what my budget is what would you say is the best single threaded performance CPU?
I don't want to skimp there as everything else I do can be done on a rather old CPU. I don't need a good upgrade path as I intend to keep the pc untill it brakes nor do I intend to change my uses.
Nothing I do needs more then 2 cores. 99.9% of everythign I do only needs one core.
The resin I was thinking of the 8350k and OC it was because even most i7s can't even play M&B with the max battle size once its unlocked I tried it on a 7900x wit the max battle size and it even ran slow on it. Even with a more respectable battle size the I used to have was just barley keeping up with some modules.
So based on all this you need the maximal single-core speed, period, bar-none. We gave a bunch of great recommendations. Then...
An update for everyone. I bought a msi z370 board for under my budget. This will give me an extra 15$ to go to the cpu :)
this was posted on anther site. the game I play M&B is extremely poorlymade and realy hits one core hard.
So yeah I really need something with max single core performance. The system is also striped out from the OS end so having more cores for background stuff is not really needed for me. I would never use more then 4 cores, I never have and I harder ever use more then 2. so getting a 6 core with slightly less single core perofmace is a BAD idea.
Great! So we proposed a lot of great Intel chips with top-tier single-core speeds.
OK a update. I ran into some money and a x299 board. so I'm selling the z370 board I have and getting a 7800x.
I'm sorry, again, WHAT?

1) First, you multiple times say you need single-core performance. Peak usage, 4 cores. You gave a budget of $120 for CPU and $75 for mobo. Then apparently got the cash to bring the budget up to $350-400. That's fine. But your processor choice - whether 7800X or 9800X - simply does not fit any of the usage you state you need, which is fastest single-core or 4-core, but mostly single-core. The $400 would have been FAR better spent on a 9700K + that cheap as hell Z390 you got your hands on. The 9700K overclocks better than the 9800X by a long shot. 9700K @ 5.1 GHz would be the best single-core performance for the budget you gave and WAY better than the 9800X overclocking (review sites said "What we got was a little underwhelming from an overclocking Enthusiast standpoint" about the 9800X).

2) Regarding x299 and TR being best for FPS, I apologize but you seem to have had the wool pulled over your eyes. The motherboard does NOT determine performance. You can put a slow chip in an X299 and it will suck at Warband, and you can put a fast chip in an A320 board and it'll do great with Warband. Its performance is almost entirely dependent on CPU and GPU, NOT on the platform. That being said, it's just a very poorly optimized game. You could throw a 9900KS @ 5.2 GHz and DDR4-4000 RAM and a Titan RTX at it and you'd still probably get 60fps average.

3) You seem to be lying about the motherboard. The 9800X and Core-i5/i9 use different sockets. Somehow the free board was one someone was using an i5 in, but when he upgrade, bent the pins and gave it to you... and now you claim this is an x299 2066 board?

I asked this on another site, but it turned out to be a troll pit and I was chewed and and had to delete my account.
Maybe it wasn't the site that was the troll pit. Maybe your communication was the problem.
 
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UsandThem

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I'm seldom on the internet and sadly did not have time/remember to thank everyone here and If it was not for the free x299 board I got Id be likely be using a 9100F right now.

What a mess / waste of time this thread became. Not only did they waste a lot people's time here, they wasted a lot of people's time on multiple computer forums ([H], Toms, OCN). This is not counting whatever forum they claim they got ran off from. For not spending much time on the internet, I find it odd to create so many different accounts to post the same thing. :rolleyes:

In this thread, they said they bought an Intel 8350k (yet they never mentioned that here on September 3rd when they posted about buying a Z370 motherboard): https://hardforum.com/threads/best-cpu-for-single-threaded-apps-on-my-budget.1985850/

It also looks like the OP nuked their account over at Tom's as well: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...aded-apps-on-my-budget.3517425/#post-21410436
 

Markfw

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What a mess / waste of time this thread became. Not only did they waste a lot people's time here, they wasted a lot of people's time on multiple computer forums ([H], Toms, OCN). This is not counting whatever forum they claim they got ran off from. For not spending much time on the internet, I find it odd to create so many different accounts to post the same thing. :rolleyes:

In this thread, they said they bought an Intel 8350k (yet they never mentioned that here on September 3rd when they posted about buying a Z370 motherboard): https://hardforum.com/threads/best-cpu-for-single-threaded-apps-on-my-budget.1985850/

It also looks like the OP nuked their account over at Tom's as well: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...aded-apps-on-my-budget.3517425/#post-21410436
Yes, and this is the most interesting thing I saw.

@ammuke said "You bent the pins back in place on a board the supports an i5 and i9 (1151), and then somehow fit a 9800X (2066) into it? So which is it... was it an x299 or a Z390 or a 360? It's so hard to keep your story straight. "

Then they nuke their own account here.
 

lobz

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Nothing I do needs more then 2 cores. 99.9% of everythign I do only needs one core.

Seriously?

In a couple of years even opening some websites and doing ANYTHING else at the same time will be a stretch for a 2C CPU.

Edit: ah, I have to learn to read the whole tread before I answer... :D

But a lot of you forgot something either: there is an i5 HEDT CPU (even if it's at best a weird joke of one) that fits in the X299 boards, as Campy mentioned. Other than that, the OP is definitely trolling and / or a pathological, compulsive liar.
 
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Keep in mind to use the 7740x and the 7640x you have to make sure the board specifically supports it. Because of the the whole PCIe Lane CF between 3 different solutions a lot of board makers opted out of supporting Kaby Lake -X cpu's rather then trying to figure out how they would handle the utter lack of PCIe lanes from the CPU (while supporting the lanes in the other 2 solutions).
 

Hans Gruber

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Yes, and this is the most interesting thing I saw.

@ammuke said "You bent the pins back in place on a board the supports an i5 and i9 (1151), and then somehow fit a 9800X (2066) into it? So which is it... was it an x299 or a Z390 or a 360? It's so hard to keep your story straight. "

Then they nuke their own account here.
I am not Columbo but I suspect the bent pins are a result of trying to fit a CPU from another socket into the motherboard. A one size fits all approach is certain to cause bent pins in any motherboard.
 

Markfw

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Since the OP deleted his account, I think re[lying to this thread is useless.

Let it die !!! (opinion, not mod direction)
 
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lobz

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Since the OP deleted his account, I think re[lying to this thread is useless.

Let it die !!! (opinion, not mod direction)
Then why did you reply to it???

OK bad joke, I know... =D sorry, my last comment here :)
 

Arkaign

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I think we should coin an inside-term .. "Pulling a Danny"

Example : guy posts : "Hey, what's should I get for $100 or less, an RX560 or my friend's used 1050ti?"

People respond with good advices and info ...

guy responds "I bought a Titan RTX instead! I'm going to put it in my Core 2 Duo PC!"

everyone shakes their head .. "Well, he pulled a Danny"
 

hasu

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Just out of curiosity, would it be possible to install Windows 98 on any new hardware or even Windows XP for that matter? How can anyone play Pre-2000 games on any new hardware?

To give my opinion for OP's question, I would say you are better off getting a used old computer from ebay for that purpose.
 

Markfw

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Just out of curiosity, would it be possible to install Windows 98 on any new hardware or even Windows XP for that matter? How can anyone play Pre-2000 games on any new hardware?

To give my opinion for OP's question, I would say you are better off getting a used old computer from ebay for that purpose.
I have XP on a dual x5675 Xeon setup. It only sees 4 of the 24 gig of ram, but plays any old games I want (1997 or so and newer)
 

JasonLD

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Just out of curiosity, would it be possible to install Windows 98 on any new hardware or even Windows XP for that matter? How can anyone play Pre-2000 games on any new hardware?

To give my opinion for OP's question, I would say you are better off getting a used old computer from ebay for that purpose.


It is possible. Though installing 16-bit OS (like Windows 9x) isn't such a great experience on first gen Ryzen because of VME bug.
 

hasu

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I have XP on a dual x5675 Xeon setup. It only sees 4 of the 24 gig of ram, but plays any old games I want (1997 or so and newer)
Interesting! Where do you get drivers for all those onboard peripherals?