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crashtech

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I don't think the extra $15 moves you to a bracket where anything better than an i3-9100F could be expected, so imo that is still your best option.
 

MajinCry

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It's not single core performance per say, it's the draw call performance that hammers the CPU. When you look at the ground in an intensive battle, your FPS skyrockets. Why? Due to frustum culling reducing the number of draw calls being made to a handful.

You want either a Zen 2, or any intel xLake CPU. Their draw call performance is similar, except when the driver thread is on a different CCX than the game thread. So if you have a quad core Ryzen 3, set Mount and Blade to core 1 and 2, the second CCX unit. If you have hex core Ryzen 5 - core 3, 4, and 5. If you have an eight core Ryzen 7, use core 4, 5, 6 and 7. Etc.

After that, it's whichever can get the highest clocks. You can go for an xLake CPU, replace the thermal paste between the die and IHS, then overclock the bejeesus out of it, to get absolute top draw call performance. But I'd recommend a Ryzen 7 3700X, so you get two whole CCX units, so you get great draw call performance, and great performance for Bannerlord.
 

fleshconsumed

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An update for everyone. I bought a msi z370 board for under my budget. This will give me an extra 15$ to go to the cpu :)

But so everyone is on the right page
this was posted on anther site. the game I play M&B is extremely poorlymade and realy hits one core hard.



So yeah I really need something with max single core performance. The system is also striped out from the OS end so having more cores for background stuff is not really needed for me. I would never use more then 4 cores, I never have and I harder ever use more then 2. so getting a 6 core with slightly less single core perofmace is a BAD idea.
I know it's too late since you already purchased z370 motherboard and locked into buying intel CPU but there is a reason why people (me including) recommended AMD 3600 first and foremost. It's because AMD 3600 is Zen2 core and it has equivalent performance to the Coffee Lake aka i3-9100f/i5-9400f. The post from OCN compares i3 9100f vs 3200g, 3200g is Zen+ core which does lose against intel in single thread performance. However Zen2 processors including AMD 3600 are on par with intel in single thread performance now.
 

MajinCry

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I know it's too late since you already purchased z370 motherboard and locked into buying intel CPU but there is a reason why people (me including) recommended AMD 3600 first and foremost. It's because AMD 3600 is Zen2 core and it has equivalent performance to the Coffee Lake aka i3-9100f/i5-9400f. The post from OCN compares i3 9100f vs 3200g, 3200g is Zen+ core which does lose against intel in single thread performance. However Zen2 processors including AMD 3600 are on par with intel in single thread performance now.

Not in draw calls, which is the defining performance factor in games with complex scenes. Zen 2 is still slower than xLake at the same clocks, while also not being able to clock as high. Never mind the CCX penalty. See this thread for reference: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/part-2-measuring-cpu-draw-call-performance.2499609/
 

fleshconsumed

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fleshconsumed

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In the game draw call test, aye we do: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...nce-in-fallout-4.2548618/page-3#post-39906780

Even though Fallout 4 scales up to eight threads, the Zen 2 processor still was at a loss versus a quad core xLake with hyperthreading in scenes with many draw calls.
Thanks for the info. Looks like AMD is still somewhat behind.

To the OP, since you purchased Z370 motherboard, Amazon/BestBuy have i5-9400f on sale at $129.99. From what I understand Z370 should support it with a newer BIOS. It's not much of a sale, but I suggest you get one before the sale is over assuming your motherboard supports it.
 

JustMe21

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I usually recommend any Intel 9th gen or higher since they have the most hardware fixes for all the speculative execution exploits. Why buy an 8th gen or older that may run more slowly when patched.
 

whm1974

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@danny man given that your taste in games and your use cases may change in the future, and that you also want the system to last a long time, I wouldn't totally focus on single core performance. Quad Core w/ 16GB of RAM is the minimum processor and memory amount is what you should start with along with a decent sized SSD storage.
 
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scannall

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My tases in games have not changed since 2011 when M&B came out and its not changing, new games suck ass and M&B is the only new game I'll ever play.
Eh, I was a die hard Lode Runner fan. Played that for a long time on my 1Mhz 6502... Times change and I've moved on.
 

crashtech

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I just want to make sure that everyone is aware that current gen i3's are 4C/4T.

The CPU that I've been recommending: i3-9100F

So, the successor to the i5 of old, and probably quite capable of holding its own in most modern games as far as playability. NOT 2C/4T anymore.
 
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Markfw

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So his $195 budget, and its ITX size motherboard has now turn into a "free" x299 motherboard and a full size at that with a $600 CPU. That is worse than 9900k even if you like Intel and more expensive. You could even BUY a motherboard and 9900k for $600.

Yes, I say its now a troll thread.
 

Zucker2k

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Couldn't it be possible he doesn't know any better? He's here to get help, after all, and here we have everyone crucifying him without knowing all the details.
 

DrMrLordX

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Couldn't it be possible he doesn't know any better? He's here to get help, after all, and here we have everyone crucifying him without knowing all the details.

Eh.

At best it's a bad impulse buy. It takes maybe 10 minutes to find some 7800x benchmarks and conclude that an equally-priced LGA1151 CPU would be a much better buy for his use case. It's basically a $400 CPU on eBay. He could get a 9700k for that price, which would be one of the best ST chips he could buy from Intel, period. I think only a 9900k would be better (thanks to L3). Can't use it with a "free" x299 board, but if he sold that and the Z370 board, he could get a nice Z390 and call it a day. So. It seems really odd.
 

amrnuke

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OK a update. I ran into some money and a x299 board. so I'm selling the z370 board I have and getting a 7800x.
Sell the x299 and forget about the 7800X (should get ~$100 minimum for the x299, and save $400-600 on the 7800X). With that $500 you can:

- Get an i5-9600K ($230) + your pick of $100-$130 mobo, and still have $150 to spare.
- Get an R5-3600 ($199) + a solid X470 or B450 mobo (<$150) and still have $150 to spare.

Both would run circles around the 7800X in very lightly-threaded gaming.

If you've moved the goalposts and want multi-threaded or productivity performance, then... the 9600K and 3600 still win.
 

fleshconsumed

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Couldn't it be possible he doesn't know any better? He's here to get help, after all, and here we have everyone crucifying him without knowing all the details.
LOL the dude had a specific goal and a specific budget of $195. He got excellent advice here on how to get the best value out of his money. Then he goes and blows his budget spending twice what he originally wanted on a CPU that is opposite of what he said he wanted (fastest single thread performance). He had two requirements - stay under $195 and fastest Single Thread, against everyone's advice he got something that is neither. Yeah, he's a troll.
 

UsandThem

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I asked this on another site, but it turned out to be a troll pit and I was chewed and and had to delete my account.
Anyway my budget for the CPU is around 120$ and around 75$ for a mATX or ITX motherboard.
LOL the dude had a specific goal and a specific budget of $195. He got excellent advice here on how to get the best value out of his money. Then he goes and blows his budget spending twice what he originally wanted on a CPU that is opposite of what he said he wanted (fastest single thread performance). He had two requirements - stay under $195 and fastest Single Thread, against everyone's advice he got something that is neither. Yeah, he's a troll.
I'm not sure if this was troll post or not, but I think everyone can agree it was definitely an entertaining thread. :p
I can now see why they deleted their account at whatever forum they were on before coming here.

"Hi, I want to buy a small economical car that gets at least 50+ MPG..........and I just bought a Hummer." :D