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So... if marriage didn't exist in modern times...

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Ichigo

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and people who decide that they're right for each other just live together for the rest of their lives normally without the need of external validation of their relationship...

Seems more legit. Gives the gays less to fight about as well.
 
Ichigo said:
and people who decide that they're right for each other just live together for the rest of their lives normally without the need of external validation of their relationship...

Seems more legit. Gives the gays less to fight about as well.
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Well, marriage, let's see. GOVT - no

Let churches handle it. I mean, who can go without jello pudding for more than 10 hours?
 
tell that to the gubment, who says married people get legal benefits that unmarried people are not able to receive.
 
Religious people are more aggressive with spreading their message.
It's the only way religion spreads.
Those same mentalities get religious rules put into government.
Even though there is a separation of church and state, if the majority want religious rules in place, they get them.
 
destrekor said:
tell that to the gubment, who says married people get legal benefits that unmarried people are not able to receive.
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What benefits?

Regardless, even if you do not get married, the whore can still take you to divorce court and fuck you for your money if it was a LT relationship.
 
JS80 said:
What benefits?

Regardless, even if you do not get married, the whore can still take you to divorce court and fuck you for your money if it was a LT relationship.
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Holy shit. More reason not to mess around with women.
 
I've been considering another angle on marriage. Being a pinch jaded at the moment, it's easy for me to see that marriage really doesn't make much sense from a males perspective. All the benefits that come from a relationship that I, and likely most other guys, value does not require marriage and I'm not just talking about sex. Companionship, fulfillment, support, fun. None of these require a legal bond. None of them require what I'm now starting to feel is a crutch in the form of a contract.

I think we all appreciate and/or fear the cliche that people change when they get married, and I believe it's because marriage is treated like an excuse not to behave in a way that truly honors the other person. We get fat, let ourselves go, stop giving each other attention, or any number of other poisons to a marriage because we now have a device, both men and women, to do what ever the fuck we want despite what that does to our partners. Without the safety net of marriage, imagine how different we might behave? Incompatible personalities wouldn't feel the need to prolong a bad relationship, or more compatible ones would feel compelled to earn the sustainment of their bond.

Here's to hoping this archaic practice continues to slide into obsolescence and we're held increasingly more responsible for the sustainment of our relationships.

Not even drunk here, just pensive and in need of a drink.
 
Ichigo said:
and people who decide that they're right for each other just live together for the rest of their lives normally without the need of external validation of their relationship...

Seems more legit. Gives the gays less to fight about as well.
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You go ahead and do that. 😛
 
moshquerade said:
You go ahead and do that. 😛
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lol, do what? Preach about not getting married in real life?

1. That's not possible with people who apparently feel as entitled as yourself.
2. That's not the point of the thread, if you took the time to read the title. I'm not dumb enough to try and convert people, but I was just musing to myself what it would be like in a different society with a different paradigm.

A ring is like a diamond penis for women.
 
Lol at the ignorance of people who think marriage is a religious invention. For folks who believe, religion certainly plays a big part in their marriage but, marriage is a solution to a social problem not religious.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Lol at the ignorance of people who think marriage is a religious invention. For folks who believe, religion certainly plays a big part in their marriage but, marriage is a solution to a social problem not religious.
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Heh yeah but not really surprised with this forum filled with teenagers who may know one thing or two about computer/technology but still have lots to learn about human history, society and life in general.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Lol at the ignorance of people who think marriage is a religious invention. For folks who believe, religion certainly plays a big part in their marriage but, marriage is a solution to a social problem not religious.
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Except that marriage was invented by religion for religious purposes?
 
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YoungGun21 said:
Except that marriage was invented by religion for religious purposes?
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Which is why it's very curious that almost all religions agree on the importance of marriage when they agree on little else. Perhaps society influences religion as much as religion influences society?
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Which is why it's very curious that almost all religions agree on the importance of marriage when they agree on little else. Perhaps society influences religion as much as religion influences society?
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Holy shit, you mean the entire system isn't determined by one factor?
:hmm: Oh wait, that actually makes sense.
 
Ichigo said:
just live together for the rest of their lives normally without the need of external validation of their relationship.
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You discount the "external validation" like it is nothing, when in fact it is almost everything. We are social creatures enmeshed in cultures full of norms and institutions that have developed over centuries to serve purposes and meet needs. Marriage is but one. It is foolish to think that scrapping a such an ingrained, pervasive, and long-pedigreed social institution as marriage would have such negligible effects on society that we would just "live the rest of our lives normally." I'm reminded of a G.K. Chesterton quote: "Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up." OP, from your post, it appears that you have no clue why the "fence" of marriage may have been put up.

If marriage is done away with, it should not be at the urging of people who are so myopic that they imagine it is merely an "external validation" with no tangible effects on relationships and society. For my part, I think the "external validation" is very important, because it gives an imprimatur of solemnity to a type of relationship that society has a tremendous interest in seeing formed and persisting. There is little question that a stable, committed, monogamous relationship is the most hospitable environment for producing healthy, productive, well-adjusted children; in short, for producing strong citizens. Of course, on a case-by-case level such a relationship is not a guarantee that well-adjusted children will be produced (and conversely, a broken home is not a guarantee that a child will not be well-adjusted), but taken in aggregate, society has a strong interest in encouraging lifelong monogamous relationships because of their immense social benefits.

The "external validation" of marriage is important towards this end. It is silly to imagine that such validation has no effect on actual relationships, again taken in aggregate. We attach solemnity to many social activities we deem important: testifying in court, becoming a citizen, taking an oath of office, graduating from high school, etc. Again, we're social creatures, and "external validations" can affect us powerfully, for good or ill. I believe the external validation of marriage has a strong effect for good.
 
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Adam8281 said:
There is little question that a stable, committed, monogamous relationship is the most hospitable environment for producing healthy, productive, well-adjusted children; in short, for producing strong citizens.
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Very important and exactly what I was going to post. This has been proven time and time again.

Now, my own religious views preach abstinence until marriage, but I won't interfere with the choices of others.

But please, please if you are planning on having children, commit to it and consider it an unbreakable bond, at least until the kids are grown and gone.
 
destrekor said:
tell that to the gubment, who says married people get legal benefits that unmarried people are not able to receive.
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I'd argue that the legal downsides to marriage(primarily what happens in the inevitable divorce) outweigh the legal benefits by a very large margin.
 
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