So, if Israel bombed your neighborhood and killed your children and family who were innocent would you seek revenge or w

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: dna
It's their choice to attack from populated areas, and the civilians in those areas are their responsibility.

Let's follow that quote from the article

So the Israeli mil knows the attacks are coming from a certain town.
They respond by shelling some open fields so that the militants won't go there and fire their rockets



What am I missing?

 

[Takemaru]

t's their choice to attack from populated areas, and the civilians in those areas are their responsibility.

There's no excuse to willingly sacrifice the lives of innocents to serve ones ends, Isreal as the more affluent nation needs to invest more in intelligence and carry out operations in a way that'll incur the least collateral damage when trying to rout out their enemies in palestine, rather than just shelling the neighborhoods where the rockets came from. Just because the terrorists operate that way doesn't make it right for a government to do so as well.

The fact that they are allowed to freely bomb civilian neighborhoods without making efforts to capture or neutralize the perpatrators by a more direct means beforehand whilst suffering no intervention or arbitration from the UN for human rights violations or crimes of war makes my stomach turn and it shows how much the disease of religious righteousness that has reigned under bush has tainted the waters of ethics and rational thought.

Do you go up and down your street driving every drug dealer in your neighborhood out? Why would you expect the palestinians to go up against heavily armed terrorists?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: dna
It's their choice to attack from populated areas, and the civilians in those areas are their responsibility.

Let's follow that quote from the article

So the Israeli mil knows the attacks are coming from a certain town.
They respond by shelling some open fields so that the militants won't go there and fire their rockets



What am I missing?

I believe

1) The militants at the time were launching from an orange grove approx 500 meters from the building.

2) Israeli radar control sent the shells into the building rather than the orange grove where the rockets were being launched from.

3) Israel indicates that it was a technical error; not a deliberate error.

Now we know the terrorist (freedom fighter) supporters will say bullsh!t.
Some will say that Israeli explanations are also absolute.

And some will say that technical errors can easily happen by people under pressure.

Three areas, track records should be taken into account.

 

[Takemaru]

Isreal has so many technical errors, i start to wonder if their weapon systems run windows. IMO, They typically have an eye for an eye approach to fighting the radical factions in palestine and civilians are always getting caught in the crossfire. how many of their tanks have shelled houses with mostly women and children inside "by accident" over the years?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Takemaru
There's no excuse to willingly sacrifice the lives of innocents to serve ones ends,

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Takemaru
They typically have an eye for an eye approach

:thumbsup:

 

[piasabird]

Isreal has to be able to defend itself. Every country in the middle east has either funded terrorists or attacked Isreal on its own or plotted to attack Isreal. How can you go around blaming Isreal for defending itself. All of the Muslims and Arab countries in the region have been funding the palestinian thugs and Hesbola is funded by Iran. You can not begin to understand how small and puny a country Isreal is.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: dna
It's their choice to attack from populated areas, and the civilians in those areas are their responsibility.

Who are you trying to convince? Yourself or do you really think the message of people are not responible when they blow people is going to go over real well.

 

[imported_dna]

You mean like Hamas and Fatah blows up people on buses and in cafes? There is a subtle difference between intentionally targetting civilians, and accidentally hitting civilians, but you seem unable to understand that.

Originally posted by: Takemaru
There's no excuse to willingly sacrifice the lives of innocents to serve ones ends, Isreal as the more affluent nation needs to invest more in intelligence and carry out operations in a way that'll incur the least collateral damage when trying to rout out their enemies in palestine, rather than just shelling the neighborhoods where the rockets came from. Just because the terrorists operate that way doesn't make it right for a government to do so as well.

You seem very keen on placing all the responsibility on Israel, while Hamas gets a free ride for using civilians for cover, but hey, nothing new there -- same hypocritical approach shared by many.

Also, you forget that in this case the terrorists are also the goverment in Gaza.

 

[alchemize]

Another stupid Dahunan thread. Here's my question...

So, if an insane islamic fundie suicide-bombed your neighborhood and killed your children and family who were innocent would you ask your goverment to protect you, or would you instead say "yes - I'm convinced. Let's give them land, and a state! I'm sure they'll be friendly then" :roll:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Another stupid Dahunan thread. Here's my question...

So, if an insane islamic fundie suicide-bombed your neighborhood and killed your children and family who were innocent would you ask your goverment to protect you, or would you instead say "yes - I'm convinced. Let's give them land, and a state! I'm sure they'll be friendly then" :roll:

Glad you used your silly words

Israel was given stolen land, right?.. and then they proceeded to kill 1000's of the inhabitants..

So, God told them to murder innocent people to punish the guilty ones? :laugh: << sort of sounds like the way we treated the Native Americans, eh?

BTW, as you have realized by now.. I don't care about anyones opinion of me..

 

[imported_dna]

Stolen, eh?

I'm sure you can demonstrate that.....

BTW, nice going with the bible -- it really shows you have nothing left to back your arguments.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: dna
Stolen, eh?

I'm sure you can demonstrate that.....

BTW, nice going with the bible -- it really shows you have nothing left to back your arguments.

Is that in the Bible? "Kill innocents to punish the guilty"?

How did the British get the land?

You are a very humorous spinmeister

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alchemize
Another stupid Dahunan thread. Here's my question...

So, if an insane islamic fundie suicide-bombed your neighborhood and killed your children and family who were innocent would you ask your goverment to protect you, or would you instead say "yes - I'm convinced. Let's give them land, and a state! I'm sure they'll be friendly then" :roll:

Glad you used your silly words

Israel was given stolen land, right?.. and then they proceeded to kill 1000's of the inhabitants..

So, God told them to murder innocent people to punish the guilty ones? :laugh: << sort of sounds like the way we treated the Native Americans, eh?

BTW, as you have realized by now.. I don't care about anyones opinion of me..

Stolen? History 101 - all land on the entire planet is stolen, most of it many, many times. Whoever resides on it presently owns it.

 

[Takemaru]

You seem very keen on placing all the responsibility on Israel, while Hamas gets a free ride for using civilians for cover, but hey, nothing new there -- same hypocritical approach shared by many.

I never said hamas should get a free ride, But all the responsibility is on Israel. As a internationally supported nation they have an obligation to conduct their operations in a more covert and humane manner rather than just attacking wide areas hoping to strike hamas. Hamas may be a government but they are nowhere near as heavily armed as isreal is, they have no other options but to resort to guerilla warfare, Israel however has other options that they don't seem too interested in pursuing.

What about the people who voted against hamas, should their lives just be thrown to the wind because the majority chose terror over democracy? Would you like to be killed by the enemies that george bush has made? would it be ok since the majority of the idiots in this country voted him in?

 

[Blackjack2000]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Isreal has to be able to defend itself. Every country in the middle east has either funded terrorists or attacked Isreal on its own or plotted to attack Isreal. How can you go around blaming Isreal for defending itself. All of the Muslims and Arab countries in the region have been funding the palestinian thugs and Hesbola is funded by Iran. You can not begin to understand how small and puny a country Isreal is.

Israel is not interested in defending itself, Israel is interested in taking as much land as it can, as well as even more important water resources. Have you seen what Israel is prepared to agree to in terms of land? It's a joke. Hamas and Hezbolla might be funded by middle east countries, but Israel is a US client state, so we're just as guilty for Israeli war crimes as the middle east states are for terrorism.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

For someone who's only belief is that he knows nothing, you sure do seem to have a lot of opinions. You can't know that I'm wrong or that anyone else is wrong or that there even is anyone else to be wrong. Perhaps this forum is just a figment of your subjective imagination. If you say that you know nothing, I'll take your word for it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: beyoku

The African Union (AU) Commission has condemned the recent attack by the Israel government in Northern Gaza where over 300 Palestinian civilian were killed.

That influential economic powerhouse, the African Union, is blasting Isreal. Maybe the African Union should STFU and focus on cleaning up the mess that is Africa.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

You simply state you are empty of the faculties required for comprehension.

Frankly I've listened to Altzheimer patients who made more sense then that.
Or is it simply you hiding behind some sort of psuedo philosophy that essentially boils down to I have no answers only criticisms.

Don't sweat it. He's a hypocritical subjectivist. In his view, reality is not an objective absolute that can be known, but rather a construct of one's own imagination. He doesn't believe in the existence of a reality. You could walk into his house (which may or may not exist, in his view) and pee on his rug and he couldn't get angry at you. How is he to know that there is a house or a rug or that you peed on it. Like he admitted, he knows nothing but believes in "love".

He thinks he's intelligent and witty, he enjoys climbing up on a pedestal and making sarcastic, cynical comments and insulting people, but in reality he's just a moron.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Takemaru

You seem very keen on placing all the responsibility on Israel, while Hamas gets a free ride for using civilians for cover, but hey, nothing new there -- same hypocritical approach shared by many.

I never said hamas should get a free ride, But all the responsibility is on Israel. As a internationally supported nation they have an obligation to conduct their operations in a more covert and humane manner rather than just attacking wide areas hoping to strike hamas. Hamas may be a government but they are nowhere near as heavily armed as isreal is, they have no other options but to resort to guerilla warfare, Israel however has other options that they don't seem too interested in pursuing.

What about the people who voted against hamas, should their lives just be thrown to the wind because the majority chose terror over democracy? Would you like to be killed by the enemies that george bush has made? would it be ok since the majority of the idiots in this country voted him in?

Israel is NOT internationally suppoerted!! Where do you get that idiotic idea from?
Israel has no other options. Israel has given back land as well as tried to enter into peace talks what do they get in return? More of the same BS....suicide attacks and ricket attacks.....
Your logic is so flawed in this subject I probably should waut for you to get better informed before trying to correct your errors!!

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: dna
It's their choice to attack from populated areas, and the civilians in those areas are their responsibility.

shows your state of mind
http://www.angryflower.com/hiding.html

 

[spaceman]

they need to just strip naked(the collective of israel and palestine) and fvck each other into a monoculture.
problem solved.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Takemaru
I never said hamas should get a free ride, But all the responsibility is on Israel. As a internationally supported nation they have an obligation to conduct their operations in a more covert and humane manner rather than just attacking wide areas hoping to strike hamas. Hamas may be a government but they are nowhere near as heavily armed as isreal is, they have no other options but to resort to guerilla warfare, Israel however has other options that they don't seem too interested in pursuing.

Hamas is Internationally supported by Iran, Syria, and probably Saudi Arabia and others. In fact, they received plenty money indirectly in the past from the EU. Hamas has the obligation not to put their own people in the line of fire. So, you're position is still hypocritical.

I'd love to hear what are the "other options".

Originally posted by: Czar
shows your state of mind

How cute.... too bad that they were shipping their women into the line of fire last week.

 

[Takemaru]

if i'm not mistaken, doesn't isreal have an air force? courtesy of the US government?, who gave them their tanks and apc's? Hamas is funded by militant arab nations but they still are no where near as heavily armed as the isrealis.

Could they not just attack more precisely with air strikes rather than subjecting the few peaceful citizens of palenstine to suffer for the errors of their radical government and the bad choices of the hateful who want to see jewish blood. By them responding to hamas in kind, they lower themselves to the level of terrorists, just like the radicals that attack them.

 

[imported_dna]

There is a reason why Hamas fires from populated areas; there is a reason why they run and hide in houses packed with civilians after such attacks; there is a reason why they would use their own women as a human shield.

That reason is that they wish to get your sympathy, which they obviously have.

A bomb dropped from a plane will take out an entire house; there is no other way around that fact. Sending in commando raids is suicidal, and therefore a dumb course of action.

I'm still waiting to hear what you think are Hamas's obligations, given that they are the terrorists, and the goverment. Perhaps they could stop firing rockets? :shocked:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

You simply state you are empty of the faculties required for comprehension.

Frankly I've listened to Altzheimer patients who made more sense then that.
Or is it simply you hiding behind some sort of psuedo philosophy that essentially boils down to I have no answers only criticisms.

Don't sweat it. He's a hypocritical subjectivist. In his view, reality is not an objective absolute that can be known, but rather a construct of one's own imagination. He doesn't believe in the existence of a reality. You could walk into his house (which may or may not exist, in his view) and pee on his rug and he couldn't get angry at you. How is he to know that there is a house or a rug or that you peed on it. Like he admitted, he knows nothing but believes in "love".

He thinks he's intelligent and witty, he enjoys climbing up on a pedestal and making sarcastic, cynical comments and insulting people, but in reality he's just a moron.

Not moron, silly, mirror.