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[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Aimster

I think the people who operate the tanks do not really give a damn about the people of Palestine. Why should they?

Since mil service is compulsory I would think that alot of soldiers have a problem with what they have to do.

You have no idea what you are blabbering about!!
My son is right now in Israel!!
Serving proudly!!
There are no issues with mandatory compulsory military service in Israel!!
The Israeli people understand and accept that there must be compulsory military service!!
Which of course beats the alternative-- no nation of Israel!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

But, but, that's exactly how the Palestinians feel and act and want to do to the Israelis. Both sides are just as simpleminded and absurd as you.

Since you're a self-appointed rocket scientist with all of the answers, then what do you suggest that the Palestinian people do, then? Do you have a better idea? Under the circumstances, what course of action is in the Palestinian people's rational selfish interest?

All I can think of for them to do is to do what I would try to do: Try to GTFO--get the F out of Palestine. Run away from this disaster and immigrate to some other country as a matter of personal self interest.

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

You have no idea what you are blabbering about!!
My son is right now in Israel!!
Serving proudly!!
There are no issues with mandatory compulsory military service in Israel!!
The Israeli people understand and accept that there must be compulsory military service!!
Which of course beats the alternative-- no nation of Israel!!

!!!

Well, I'm not Jewish and I really don't know any Jews personally. But yes, I did assume that population of over 6 mil people would have at least a few people with a different opinon.
Matter of a fact, I swear that I have seen documentries with Israeli's doing exactly that
What about these Israeli peace protesters?
Muslim propaganda?
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edit- Ohhhh, I see on the third link there, back in the Sharon days some protesters may face treason charges. Maybe I can see your point a little clearer now

 

[beyoku]

AU Blasts Israel for Attack On Gaza

The African Union (AU) Commission has condemned the recent attack by the Israel government in Northern Gaza where over 300 Palestinian civilian were killed.

"The AU has learnt with deep regret of the recent attacks by Israeli Forces in the Northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanoun on 31st October 2006, with over 300 Palestinian Civilians killed and injured, including children, women and elderly people," AU said in a statement on Monday.

The AU also condemned the attack as "a dastardly act," it said was "purportedly carried out" by Israeli forces under the so-called "Operation Autumn Clouds".

You know you messed up with Africa is blasting you for "dastardly acts"
This article also states 300 people have been killed/injured.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Aimster

I think the people who operate the tanks do not really give a damn about the people of Palestine. Why should they?

Since mil service is compulsory I would think that alot of soldiers have a problem with what they have to do.

You have no idea what you are blabbering about!!
My son is right now in Israel!!
Serving proudly!!
There are no issues with mandatory compulsory military service in Israel!!
The Israeli people understand and accept that there must be compulsory military service!!
Which of course beats the alternative-- no nation of Israel!!

Sure...

:roll:

Tell that to hundreds of Israeli males coming to Brandeis University every year to run away from the military service and start a new life in America.

At the very least you can try being honest and say that even though you don't agree with it, it is necessary or something. Don't lie about what the Israeli people want because you are not them.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

But, but, that's exactly how the Palestinians feel and act and want to do to the Israelis. Both sides are just as simpleminded and absurd as you.

Since you're a self-appointed rocket scientist with all of the answers, then what do you suggest that the Palestinian people do, then? Do you have a better idea? Under the circumstances, what course of action is in the Palestinian people's rational selfish interest?

All I can think of for them to do is to do what I would try to do: Try to GTFO--get the F out of Palestine. Run away from this disaster and immigrate to some other country as a matter of personal self interest.

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

With that kind of empty double speak you should consider running for politics.

 

[fitzov]

OP asks rhetorical question about deaths of Palestinians
Others ask rhetorical question about deaths of Israelis
/thread

 

[imported_dna]

I think the issue is articulated beautifully at LGF:

The Palestinian public voted overwhelmingly to elect a terrorist gang, Hamas, openly dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Said terrorist gang is continuing to launch rockets into Israel from Gaza, using residential areas for cover?with the full knowledge and obvious approval of the residents.

So what happens when the inevitable misfire occurs, and some of the civilians who voted for these genocidal murderers are killed? You got it. A barrage of press reports condemning Israel.

It is just typical Palestinian victim routine: declare it a massacre, and quickly call for a security council meeting -- even though that's what they wanted: civilians dead from Israeli fire.

We saw this act last week, with the Hamas militants, running to hide in a masque -- which forbidden by the religion they profess to follow -- and then they had women march on the masque to prevent the Isralis from firing on the masque, and to smuggle the militants out.

Needless to say, that was on the front-page of the BBC, with the misleading title "Gaza women killed in mosque siege", while the summary didn't fare much better.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel needs to act like a respectable nation.

Please elaborate on how a respectable nation should act.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

But, but, that's exactly how the Palestinians feel and act and want to do to the Israelis. Both sides are just as simpleminded and absurd as you.

Since you're a self-appointed rocket scientist with all of the answers, then what do you suggest that the Palestinian people do, then? Do you have a better idea? Under the circumstances, what course of action is in the Palestinian people's rational selfish interest?

All I can think of for them to do is to do what I would try to do: Try to GTFO--get the F out of Palestine. Run away from this disaster and immigrate to some other country as a matter of personal self interest.

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

With that kind of empty double speak you should consider running for politics.

You simply state you are empty of the faculties required for comprehension.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

But, but, that's exactly how the Palestinians feel and act and want to do to the Israelis. Both sides are just as simpleminded and absurd as you.

Since you're a self-appointed rocket scientist with all of the answers, then what do you suggest that the Palestinian people do, then? Do you have a better idea? Under the circumstances, what course of action is in the Palestinian people's rational selfish interest?

All I can think of for them to do is to do what I would try to do: Try to GTFO--get the F out of Palestine. Run away from this disaster and immigrate to some other country as a matter of personal self interest.

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

With that kind of empty double speak you should consider running for politics.

You simply state you are empty of the faculties required for comprehension.

Frankly I've listened to Altzheimer patients who made more sense then that.
Or is it simply you hiding behind some sort of psuedo philosophy that essentially boils down to I have no answers only criticisms.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dahunan
What would you do if one of these children or women was your wife or child?

Sure, but Israel should have every right to exterminate its sworn enemies, may the strongest military win.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dahunan
What would you do if one of these children or women was your wife or child?

Sure, but Israel should have every right to exterminate its sworn enemies, may the strongest military win.

So did hitler have "Every right" to march jews into gas chambers? Do I have every right to rob your house?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

But, but, that's exactly how the Palestinians feel and act and want to do to the Israelis. Both sides are just as simpleminded and absurd as you.

Since you're a self-appointed rocket scientist with all of the answers, then what do you suggest that the Palestinian people do, then? Do you have a better idea? Under the circumstances, what course of action is in the Palestinian people's rational selfish interest?

All I can think of for them to do is to do what I would try to do: Try to GTFO--get the F out of Palestine. Run away from this disaster and immigrate to some other country as a matter of personal self interest.

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

With that kind of empty double speak you should consider running for politics.

You simply state you are empty of the faculties required for comprehension.

Frankly I've listened to Altzheimer patients who made more sense then that.
Or is it simply you hiding behind some sort of psuedo philosophy that essentially boils down to I have no answers only criticisms.

I think what MB is trying to say is that there are no right-side-up answers to up-side-down questions.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper


Israel's ruling regime has provoked rockets launching from neighborhoods because they want such incidents to occur. It creates ameans of justification for their existence.

Israel states that they don't want to kill the Palestinian people. Firing artillery at their homes is a funny way of doing so.

Fixed

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dahunan
What would you do if one of these children or women was your wife or child?

Sure, but Israel should have every right to exterminate its sworn enemies, may the strongest military win.

So did hitler have "Every right" to march jews into gas chambers? Do I have every right to rob your house?

Only reason Israel is still alive today is through military superiority. If the tables were turned, the savages would have entirely slaughtered and eliminated the state of Israel. You want those tables turned, through some misguided morale judgments that suicide bombers have every right for revenge. You'd be frothing at the mouth in defense of Palestine if I suggested Israel had a right for revenge. The OP's argument is the very essence that continues the cycle of violence today.

In 1938 the Jewish civilians were not a military organization causing hundreds of deaths every year against German civilians. They did not publicly teach their children and people to swear death to Germany because god commands all infidels must die.

Israel is the superior military force; all those who wage war against it need to do is surrender to stop further violence. They don?t surrender because their entire mission is to kill or be killed. As long as they continue to push for Israel?s death, they have every right to die first. It?s their choice to continue to wage war and to refuse a peaceful surrender.

As long as you and the UN continue to deny Israel the right to force surrender, this bloodshed will never end.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dahunan
What would you do if one of these children or women was your wife or child?

Sure, but Israel should have every right to exterminate its sworn enemies, may the strongest military win.

So did hitler have "Every right" to march jews into gas chambers? Do I have every right to rob your house?

Only reason Israel is still alive today is through military superiority. If the tables were turned, the savages would have entirely slaughtered and eliminated the state of Israel. You want those tables turned, through some misguided morale judgments that suicide bombers have every right for revenge. You'd be frWoothing at the mouth in defense of Palestine if I suggested Israel had a right for revenge. The OP's argument is the very essence that continues the cycle of violence today.

In 1938 the Jewish civilians were not a military organization causing hundreds of deaths every year against German civilians. They did not publicly teach their children and people to swear death to Germany because god commands all infidels must die.

Israel is the superior military force; all those who wage war against it need to do is surrender to stop further violence. They don?t surrender because their entire mission is to kill or be killed. As long as they continue to push for Israel?s death, they have every right to die first. It?s their choice to continue to wage war and to refuse a peaceful surrender.

As long as you and the UN continue to deny Israel the right to force surrender, this bloodshed will never end.

Wow look at that hatred. The Palestinians are "savages" now? I guess you need to condition yourself to think like that so you can celebrate when artillery shells kill 18 civilians.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

But, but, that's exactly how the Palestinians feel and act and want to do to the Israelis. Both sides are just as simpleminded and absurd as you.

Since you're a self-appointed rocket scientist with all of the answers, then what do you suggest that the Palestinian people do, then? Do you have a better idea? Under the circumstances, what course of action is in the Palestinian people's rational selfish interest?

All I can think of for them to do is to do what I would try to do: Try to GTFO--get the F out of Palestine. Run away from this disaster and immigrate to some other country as a matter of personal self interest.

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

With that kind of empty double speak you should consider running for politics.

You simply state you are empty of the faculties required for comprehension.

Frankly I've listened to Altzheimer patients who made more sense then that.
Or is it simply you hiding behind some sort of psuedo philosophy that essentially boils down to I have no answers only criticisms.

I think what MB is trying to say is that there are no right-side-up answers to up-side-down questions.

Actually Moonbeam is well known for spouting incoherent and senseless blabber. "I have all the answers, because I have none of them" falls under the same category...

Half of the thigns that come out of his mouth should be on some emo kids livejournal blog. Verbal oseudo-philosophy diarrhea FTL.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper


Israel's ruling regime has provoked rockets launching from neighborhoods because they want such incidents to occur. It creates ameans of justification for their existence.

Israel states that they don't want to kill the Palestinian people. Firing artillery at their homes is a funny way of doing so.

Fixed

1) What military/stragetic purpose does launching rockets from within civlian centers serve Hamas?

2) Why does Israel not perform a scorched earth policy against Gaza (which is what Hamas states they want to do to Isreal).

2a) the difference is that Israel has the capability to do so and they choose not to. Hamas can not do it.


And it may turn out that the shelling was a technical error in the radar control unit. An orange grove was the intended target.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
In 1938 the Jewish civilians were not a military organization causing hundreds of deaths every year against German civilians. They did not publicly teach their children and people to swear death to Germany because god commands all infidels must die.

Maybe not, but they weren't completely innocent either.

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/script...english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

The Jewish wholesaler will quit his house, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his business, and the beggar his humble hut, in order to join the holy war against Hitler's people.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
1) What military/stragetic purpose does launching rockets from within civlian centers serve Hamas?

2) Why does Israel not perform a scorched earth policy against Gaza (which is what Hamas states they want to do to Isreal).

1. "Self Defense", right? Is that what IDF calls it?

2. If they did anything so obvious they would lose all sympathy from Americans which is their source of funding and military equipment.

 

[imported_dna]

Self Defense? What a joke!

That's like saying that the suicide bombers are performing an act of self defense.

Well, this kind of twisted logic isn't new, like the LATimes demonstrated by publishing a crap-piece about the recent woman suicide bomber's "last act of resistance"... :roll:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

But, but, that's exactly how the Palestinians feel and act and want to do to the Israelis. Both sides are just as simpleminded and absurd as you.

Since you're a self-appointed rocket scientist with all of the answers, then what do you suggest that the Palestinian people do, then? Do you have a better idea? Under the circumstances, what course of action is in the Palestinian people's rational selfish interest?

All I can think of for them to do is to do what I would try to do: Try to GTFO--get the F out of Palestine. Run away from this disaster and immigrate to some other country as a matter of personal self interest.

I have all the answers, of course, because I have none of them. You know all kinds of things and none of them are as you think. I know nothing and that I know. How can you know what to do when you already think you know what to do. You ask me to live by a theory. I ask you to be. In being there are no questions and no need for answers. There is only love.

With that kind of empty double speak you should consider running for politics.

You simply state you are empty of the faculties required for comprehension.

Frankly I've listened to Altzheimer patients who made more sense then that.
Or is it simply you hiding behind some sort of psuedo philosophy that essentially boils down to I have no answers only criticisms.

I think what MB is trying to say is that there are no right-side-up answers to up-side-down questions.

Actually Moonbeam is well known for spouting incoherent and senseless blabber. "I have all the answers, because I have none of them" falls under the same category...

Half of the thigns that come out of his mouth should be on some emo kids livejournal blog. Verbal oseudo-philosophy diarrhea FTL.

I disgree. Most of the time, I find his posts right on the money, or just blatant sarcasm. But I am not suprised most people find what he has to say to be "incoherent and senseless blabber."

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Maybe not, but they weren't completely innocent either.

By your logic, the Danes can now round up Muslims, and execute them -- man, woman, or child -- just because some of them boycotted Danish goods.

They aren't innocent either, right?

 

[senseamp]

The whole thing there is kind of upsetting. Both Israelis and Palestinians could be making a lot of money off tourism to the holy land, off Israel's tech know how and Palestinian cheap labor, if they only got with the program and stopped fighting each other. Hopefully, one day the love of money will prevail over love of god and fighting. In this world, if you aren't using your assets to make a lot of money, you are losing ground.