So, I went car shopping today. Jeeze.

RbSX

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So today I went car shopping with my dad. We looked at both domestics and imports and I had some very distinct impressions.

1) All of the somewhat affordable domestic sedans/sports cars were crap. (yes cadillacs and lincolns are very nice but I can't afford one)

I went to a GM, Ford and Oldsmobile Dealership. They all looked the same. The interiors were shiesty gray cloth, no originality, the consoles all looked the same, and the gauges were plain. I know most of you are going to say, you can get leather! But the fact is, they all looked the same hands down. The only thing that really stuck out to me was the power seats on the Oldsmobile Alero. The designs were similar, just different enough to not infringe on design copyrights. I was really dissapointed. They also had no basic features whatsoever.

As well they were grossely overpriced for what you were getting.

2) The import sports cars/sedans are where it's at.

For the price of a Mustang GT 1999 at a ford dealership I could buy a brand new Mazda 3 with the sports package (air conditioning, spoiler, power seats, leather chairs). As well the design was much more agressive and sporty. I found this to be similar in other cars I toured, including the toyota matrix and camry, as well as the volkswagen jetta. There was really no competition between domestics and imports, I can see why domestic sales are obviously declining. As well the nuts and bolts were simply more impressive, the warranty unparalleled. It came down to things as simple as interior lighting, the creativity involved with lighting the dash inside the car made it obvious that they wanted you to like this car. At the Mazda dealership they offered to replace your tired and pay for maitenence until the warranty expires on your car.

My conclusion: Domestic sedans/sports cars are generally ugly/similar to eachother, grossely overpriced for what you are getting, looking very dated and generally come with no features. On the flip side, Imports are more agressive, cheaper (despite having more features) and generally offer a much better warranty.


 

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What are you looking for? The new Accord is very sexy, and sporty with a stock 245hp VTEC engine. I'm really impressed with the build quality with the new Honda's too, our 04' Odyssey LX is very comfortable and the body gaps are very small. Only thing I can complain about is it sat on the lot too long, so the paint became like an orange peel. I'll need to take it in to fix that. Grrr....
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: NokiaDude
What are you looking for? The new Accord is very sexy, and sporty with a stock 245hp VTEC engine. I'm really impressed with the build quality with the new Honda's too, our 04' Odyssey LX is very comfortable and the body gaps are very small. Only thing I can complain about is it sat on the lot too long, so the paint became like an orange peel. I'll need to take it in to fix that. Grrr....

Right now I'm tenatively looking at the Mazda 3 /w the sport package. It looks beautiful.
 

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Buying a new car, I would definetely gravitate towards imports. However when buying a used car, domestics mop the floor with imports when it comes to value.
 

acemcmac

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That mazda was selling under 15k loaded? Interesting... No GT used, unless convertable should be selling over 15... even with under 30k miles... Local Dealer

Edit: and BTW. Mazda is a FORD (domestic) nameplate. Just in case you forgot....
 

KingNothing

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: NokiaDude
What are you looking for? The new Accord is very sexy, and sporty with a stock 245hp VTEC engine. I'm really impressed with the build quality with the new Honda's too, our 04' Odyssey LX is very comfortable and the body gaps are very small. Only thing I can complain about is it sat on the lot too long, so the paint became like an orange peel. I'll need to take it in to fix that. Grrr....

Right now I'm tenatively looking at the Mazda 3 /w the sport package. It looks beautiful.

I sat in a Mazda 3 at the auto show today, I really like it as well. I almost like the interior of that better than the Mazda 6 because the 6 has more of the brushed aluminum thing going on. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but it just seems like that would get scuffed up over time and look like crap.

Also, I was amazed at the crap job that American cars have done with their interiors. Even in a Cadillac Escalade, all of the switchgear is the same as in a Silverado or whatever. Looks completely out of place.
 

acemcmac

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WOah.... just pulled it... mazda3 is a compact... low displacement... low weight.... assuming FWD...

read: tin can with fancy trim.

I'll go with the structure of a mustang any day of the week, especially condsidering the guard-rail bumpers and frame it's got.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
WOah.... just pulled it... mazda3 is a compact... low displacement... low weight.... assuming FWD...

read: tin can with fancy trim.

I'll go with the structure of a mustang any day of the week, especially condsidering the guard-rail bumpers and frame it's got.

Actually, as a guy that is 6'2. I'd say the mustang it MUCH more compact than the mazda 3 easily.

I also liked the design of the mazda 3 more than that of the mazda 6.
 

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I have to agree on some aspects of what your saying on domestic cars, thats why I got my wife a Mazda prot, but I myself will be looking soon for a new truck and I will only buy domestic
GM is my prefered brand hell I have nothing but good to say about my 99 Chevy S-10 its now
going on 170k miles and still going strong, no major break downs nothing.
 

KingNothing

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Originally posted by: Nyical
I have to agree on some aspects of what your saying on domestic cars, thats why I got my wife a Mazda prot, but I myself will be looking soon for a new truck and I will only buy domestic
GM is my prefered brand hell I have nothing but good to say about my 99 Chevy S-10 its now
going on 170k miles and still going strong, no major break downs nothing.

Among all the american cars I looked at, the Ford F150 had the nicest interior. Especially compared to the F-250 and F-350, which haven't been updated yet.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: Nyical
I have to agree on some aspects of what your saying on domestic cars, thats why I got my wife a Mazda prot, but I myself will be looking soon for a new truck and I will only buy domestic
GM is my prefered brand hell I have nothing but good to say about my 99 Chevy S-10 its now
going on 170k miles and still going strong, no major break downs nothing.

I agree with you 100%. Which is why I specifically said domestic sports cars and SUV's the new F-150 Lariat Harley Davidson Edition owns all trucks.
 

SirStev0

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i dunno dodge have bad ass cars... im rocking a dodge stratus it has a killer engine good suspension... the brakes kinda suck ... but it still looks good and runs awesome...
 

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Can't go wrong with the Mazda 3, great little car. New Ford focus also an excellent car, styling is a bit more american, but otherwise very similar. Or try the new Volvo s40 (bit more european, somewhat different engine, etc.)...also very nice.

GM also has a nice approach (been discussed here) with platform sharing of saab and subaru. You can get two flavors of basically the same car, depending on the various demographics, etc.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: freebee
Can't go wrong with the Mazda 3, great little car. New Ford focus also an excellent car, styling is a bit more american, but otherwise very similar. Or try the new Volvo s40 (bit more european, somewhat different engine, etc.)...also very nice.

GM also has a nice approach (been discussed here) with platform sharing of saab and subaru. You can get two flavors of basically the same car, depending on the various demographics, etc.

The s40 was also on my list of cars I liked.
 

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
i dunno dodge have bad ass cars... im rocking a dodge stratus it has a killer engine good suspension... the brakes kinda suck ... but it still looks good and runs awesome...

I'm sorry you own a stratus. Next time ask a fleet manager what the general perception of the stratus is in insurance and rental fleets.
 

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Why in the hell are you comparing a Mustang GT to a Mazda 3 and talking about sporty looks? Are you stupid?
 

T2T III

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As well they were grossely overpriced for what you were getting.

But, you also need to keep in mind that the average "incentive" on GM cars is over $4K. While looking at the actual sticker price, you might feel that the car is overpriced. However, cash in on the deals and make it worthwhile.

As far as the Alero goes, scratch that one off the list. Olds will no lnoger exist in a few years.

Finally, I'm not sure if you're also considering the used market or not. But, there are some great deals out there. For example: you could get a "used" domestic car for about 1/3 of the original price when it's just a little over 3 years old. Besides, if you keep the car, drive it into the ground and don't care what the value of it will be in 2 years, then these vehicles can be real bargains.

 

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Originally posted by: freebee
Can't go wrong with the Mazda 3, great little car. New Ford focus also an excellent car, styling is a bit more american, but otherwise very similar. Or try the new Volvo s40 (bit more european, somewhat different engine, etc.)...also very nice.

GM also has a nice approach (been discussed here) with platform sharing of saab and subaru. You can get two flavors of basically the same car, depending on the various demographics, etc.

Funny but Volvo, Mazda and Ford are all just divisions of the Ford Motor Co....amazing how they can make you think you are getting away from buying "Domestic" :)
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Why in the hell are you comparing a Mustang GT to a Mazda 3 and talking about sporty looks? Are you stupid?

I'm saying mustangs suck ass in general, pos cars.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: freebee
Can't go wrong with the Mazda 3, great little car. New Ford focus also an excellent car, styling is a bit more american, but otherwise very similar. Or try the new Volvo s40 (bit more european, somewhat different engine, etc.)...also very nice.

GM also has a nice approach (been discussed here) with platform sharing of saab and subaru. You can get two flavors of basically the same car, depending on the various demographics, etc.

Funny but Volvo, Mazda and Ford are all just divisions of the Ford Motor Co....amazing how they can make you think you are getting away from buying "Domestic" :)

I do believe that domestic influence has improved the cars, but unforunately import companies can't have the same influence on domestic companies. Thats all that I'm saying. For example, I love how domestic influence has filtered out those high pitched pos asian engines.
 

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: freebee
Can't go wrong with the Mazda 3, great little car. New Ford focus also an excellent car, styling is a bit more american, but otherwise very similar. Or try the new Volvo s40 (bit more european, somewhat different engine, etc.)...also very nice.

GM also has a nice approach (been discussed here) with platform sharing of saab and subaru. You can get two flavors of basically the same car, depending on the various demographics, etc.

Funny but Volvo, Mazda and Ford are all just divisions of the Ford Motor Co....amazing how they can make you think you are getting away from buying "Domestic" :)

I do believe that domestic influence has improved the cars, but unforunately import companies can't have the same influence on domestic companies. Thats all that I'm saying. For example, I love how domestic influence has filtered out those high pitched pos asian engines.

And you forgot to add that the S40 and 3 share the same basic platform along with the euro escort ( I think its still called an escort).
 

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: freebee
Can't go wrong with the Mazda 3, great little car. New Ford focus also an excellent car, styling is a bit more american, but otherwise very similar. Or try the new Volvo s40 (bit more european, somewhat different engine, etc.)...also very nice.

GM also has a nice approach (been discussed here) with platform sharing of saab and subaru. You can get two flavors of basically the same car, depending on the various demographics, etc.

Funny but Volvo, Mazda and Ford are all just divisions of the Ford Motor Co....amazing how they can make you think you are getting away from buying "Domestic" :)

I do believe that domestic influence has improved the cars, but unforunately import companies can't have the same influence on domestic companies. Thats all that I'm saying. For example, I love how domestic influence has filtered out those high pitched pos asian engines.
But this isn't just influence, Volvo and Mazda are technically domestic cars now. They are divisions at FoMoCo.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: KraziKid
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: freebee
Can't go wrong with the Mazda 3, great little car. New Ford focus also an excellent car, styling is a bit more american, but otherwise very similar. Or try the new Volvo s40 (bit more european, somewhat different engine, etc.)...also very nice.

GM also has a nice approach (been discussed here) with platform sharing of saab and subaru. You can get two flavors of basically the same car, depending on the various demographics, etc.

Funny but Volvo, Mazda and Ford are all just divisions of the Ford Motor Co....amazing how they can make you think you are getting away from buying "Domestic" :)

I do believe that domestic influence has improved the cars, but unforunately import companies can't have the same influence on domestic companies. Thats all that I'm saying. For example, I love how domestic influence has filtered out those high pitched pos asian engines.
But this isn't just influence, Volvo and Mazda are technically domestic cars now. They are divisions at FoMoCo.

Uh, no they aren't technically domestic cars. And they are part of ford, not divisions. Technically for them to be divisions ford would have to own the entire company, which they don't. Instead they are simply majority share holders.