So I watched "Enterprise" today...

[Kadarin]

... and there are things I like about it and things I don't like about it. Just to clarify, this is the first complete episode of this show that I've sat through.

Likes:

The characters are not shiny happy futurepeople in jumpsuits. They wear clothes, clothes with both style (in a sense) and pockets. Clothes that are practical, and clothes that can come off. Real people wear clothes like these.. When future guy asked Archer for his communicator and scanner, he pulled them out of his pockets.

The ship has armor plating, not "deflector shields". Much more realistic, thank you. While we're on the subject of the ship, I also noticed that it's got docking ports, as opposed to "transporters". Also, the inside of the ship is more akin to a navy ship than it is to the bridge of the Enterprise-D (from TNG), which contributes to realism.

People get hurt, and by hurt I mean beat up, cut, bruised, bleeding. Not as in "set phasers on stun".

That Vulcan ship looked pretty darn cool. And that Vulcan chick looked pretty damn hot.

Dislikes:

The human command staff (the generals and political officers hanging out with the Vulcans). I have never seen such a pathetic, spineless group of leaders anywhere... they make me want to vomit. "You have to admit, the Vulcans have a point..." Puke... give me a break, and grow some backbone, you guys. You'll never get the Federation off the ground unless you put the smarmy Vulcans in their place.

The head Vulcan guy: Condescending asshat.

The whole time-travel thing. This is the most overdone and poorly portrayed Star Trek theme ever. And next week, they get to do it all over again: "I Love Lucy is on tonight.." Gag..

The Enterprise is seriously lacking in the offensive armaments department. For such a large ship to be completely helpless when faced with a number of tiny "cell-ships" (which were kind of cool) is inexcusable. Space is a dangerous place, so get with the program.


Anyway, that's my two cents.. what's your opinion?

 

[Radiohead]

Some interesting observations there... the only times I've noticed what they were wearing was when there was a "lack" of clothes. Ahem T'pol and that chamber thingy

But as for lack of weapons, it being a navy ship with no shields but armor plating, it makes sense since this more closer to our time than TNG. Things are just starting out and new toys are gradually being introduced as a natural progression in R&D

 

[Noriaki]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33The characters are not shiny happy futurepeople in jumpsuits. They wear clothes, clothes with both style (in a sense) and pockets. Clothes that are practical, and clothes that can come off. Real people wear clothes like these.. When future guy asked Archer for his communicator and scanner, he pulled them out of his pockets.

I dunno about style. But they certainly make better work uniforms, than the crap they wear in other versions of star trek. I to like these uniforms.

The ship has armor plating, not "deflector shields". Much more realistic, thank you. While we're on the subject of the ship, I also noticed that it's got docking ports, as opposed to "transporters". Also, the inside of the ship is more akin to a navy ship than it is to the bridge of the Enterprise-D (from TNG), which contributes to realism.

Realism? Star Trek? What the hell are you on dude?
And for the record, Enterprise has transporters, but they were only very recently (just before the series pilot) certified for Bio-matter, so people are still a little weary of using them. They do see occasional use though.

People get hurt, and by hurt I mean beat up, cut, bruised, bleeding. Not as in "set phasers on stun".

Yeah...it does have good fight scenes.

That Vulcan ship looked pretty darn cool. And that Vulcan chick looked pretty damn hot.

Meh..she has some serious facial issues....but if you like her she's done some Maxim spreads with a far more attractive outfit and hair style.

The human command staff (the generals and political officers hanging out with the Vulcans). I have never seen such a pathetic, spineless group of leaders anywhere... they make me want to vomit. "You have to admit, the Vulcans have a point..." Puke... give me a break, and grow some backbone, you guys. You'll never get the Federation off the ground unless you put the smarmy Vulcans in their place.

If you had watched the first season you'd see that they are suppose to be like that. That's the point of them. The Vulcan's have been holding their hands for 100 years and Enterprise is their first real effort in deep space. So the Admirals back on Earth are a little sketchy when it comes to dealing with the Vulcans. They are used to be subordinates, and the Vulcans are suppose to be much more arrogant in this one. There is no federation yet, but if there were, the Vulcans would be by far the dominant race in it.

The head Vulcan guy: Condescending asshat.

See above.

The whole time-travel thing. This is the most overdone and poorly portrayed Star Trek theme ever. And next week, they get to do it all over again: "I Love Lucy is on tonight.." Gag..

No disagreement there!

The Enterprise is seriously lacking in the offensive armaments department. For such a large ship to be completely helpless when faced with a number of tiny "cell-ships" (which were kind of cool) is inexcusable. Space is a dangerous place, so get with the program.

Enterprise was launched prematurely. You need to see the Series pilot. But they were still a few months off being complete when they launced her for the first mission. They only had torpedos, no phasers at all. They installed some phaser cannons en route, but their weaponry is still a little sketchy. And it's Earths first shot at space guns .
As for the Sulibhan (sp?) little ships....again, more stuff you missed last seaon, but they far outstrip Earth technologically, and there were far to many of them.

Besides size isn't anything. The Defiant (from DS9) was tiny compared to the Enterprise-D (it only carried 1/10 as many people), but it could run rings around it, and the Defiant alone easily outclassed the "D" in terms of firepower, never mind multiple Definat class ships . The Enterprise-E I think is probably more than a match for the Defiant, but it's got all the technological advancements of the Defiant.

 

[Kadarin]

The thing is, I like the whole Navy ship idea. One of my dislikes of the original TNG series is that Picard would do things like take the Enterprise to an archaeology conference or other stupid sh!t like that. You'd think a Galaxy-class starship was a bit too expensive a resource to waste on something so piddly..

 

[Noriaki]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The thing is, I like the whole Navy ship idea. One of my dislikes of the original TNG series is that Picard would do things like take the Enterprise to an archaeology conference or other stupid sh!t like that. You'd think a Galaxy-class starship was a bit too expensive a resource to waste on something so piddly..

Hahahah I personally agree, I much prefer the more navyish feel of Enterprise or the later parts of Deep Space Nine.

But Enterprise-D is suppose to be more than just a navy ship. They are supposed to be a "ship of enlightened exploration." Of course those kind of episodes were the least interesting by far.

The TNG episodes where they had Military like conflicts with the Romulans or the Cardassians for example were far far more interesting.

I definately agree that the more Navyish feel of Enterprise is a good thing though.

 

[dirtboy]

I watch Enterprise a couple of times and I didn't like it.

 

[SmackdownHotel]

I thought the premiere was ok. But it seemed like they resolved the entire episode all too easily. I mean, the season finale left you thinking that the sh!t had hit the fan, but it felt like they cleaned up the whole mess a bit too easily. I guess I was expecting a bit more. I think it would have had a greater impact if they stretched the premiere to two episodes. The whole thing just seemed rushed.

Cutting up a copper spoon into millimeter strips with a rock as your only tool? Please.

That whole thing about Hoshi being claustrophobic was useless, since why would see be on a starship in the first place? And she seemed to have a lot of room in the ducts, since she was on her hands and knees the whole time, it seemed like any one of the other male crewmembers could have just as easily maneuvered through the ducts.

It's a shame they didn't show us a bit more about the 31st century. It was cool of them to throw us a bone about the Romulans, however.

Enterprise still has a lot of work to do if it wants to restore Trek to the glory days of TNG & especially DS9 and to avoid going down the road of failure like Voyager.

 

[Ameesh]

this thread is soo last year.

 

[Noriaki]

That whole thing about Hoshi being claustrophobic was useless, since why would see be on a starship in the first place? And she seemed to have a lot of room in the ducts, since she was on her hands and knees the whole time, it seemed like any one of the other male crewmembers could have just as easily maneuvered through the ducts.

The whole thing about Hoshi being on board enterprise is useless.

I can't believe they killed off Tasha Yar and but not Hoshi. She's far more pathetic and useless.

Enterprise could still easily go the road of Voyager, I don't think they are doing a terribly good job with it so far. I really like the premise of the show, but the implementation thus far kinda stinks.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Noriaki

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The thing is, I like the whole Navy ship idea. One of my dislikes of the original TNG series is that Picard would do things like take the Enterprise to an archaeology conference or other stupid sh!t like that. You'd think a Galaxy-class starship was a bit too expensive a resource to waste on something so piddly..

Hahahah I personally agree, I much prefer the more navyish feel of Enterprise or the later parts of Deep Space Nine.

But Enterprise-D is suppose to be more than just a navy ship. They are supposed to be a "ship of enlightened exploration." Of course those kind of episodes were the least interesting by far.

The TNG episodes where they had Military like conflicts with the Romulans or the Cardassians for example were far far more interesting.

I definately agree that the more Navyish feel of Enterprise is a good thing though.

TNG was about anthropology, sociology, and psychology, not explosions. Hence all the moral dilemmas and whatnot. And don't you think constant fighting gets boring? "Let's see who the Enterprise will win a battle with this week, because they can't lose." Gene knew better... but I don't think the idiots making Enterprise do.

 

[Noriaki]

Originally posted by: JellomancerAnd don't you think constant fighting gets boring? "Let's see who the Enterprise will win a battle with this week, because they can't lose."

Yes as a matter of fact I do. That's why discrete episodes suck.

The later seasons of Deep Space 9 where awesome though. Sure you knew they were going to win the overall war, but it was a long hard battle to get there, with a continuous storyline. If it's just weekly disjoint episodes, then yes, the minor skirmishes will get boring quickly.

I liked the episodes of TNG where they had military conflicts, especially the 2 parters. But the whole show couldn't have been like that or it would have sucked, you are right. A good portion of TNG is pretty bad though. There are some non-military conflict episodes that are interesting, but a lot of the TNG episodes are pretty damn bad to (not Voyager, or early-DS9 bad...but bad).

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Noriaki

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The thing is, I like the whole Navy ship idea. One of my dislikes of the original TNG series is that Picard would do things like take the Enterprise to an archaeology conference or other stupid sh!t like that. You'd think a Galaxy-class starship was a bit too expensive a resource to waste on something so piddly..

Hahahah I personally agree, I much prefer the more navyish feel of Enterprise or the later parts of Deep Space Nine.

But Enterprise-D is suppose to be more than just a navy ship. They are supposed to be a "ship of enlightened exploration." Of course those kind of episodes were the least interesting by far.

The TNG episodes where they had Military like conflicts with the Romulans or the Cardassians for example were far far more interesting.

I definately agree that the more Navyish feel of Enterprise is a good thing though.

TNG was about anthropology, sociology, and psychology, not explosions. Hence all the moral dilemmas and whatnot. And don't you think constant fighting gets boring? "Let's see who the Enterprise will win a battle with this week, because they can't lose." Gene knew better... but I don't think the idiots making Enterprise do.

Remember that sociology-based episodes can get pretty excruciating, too. Remember the one where Wesley Crusher damaged something, and was sentenced to the death-penalty?

Episodes where they take risks, where ships blow up (yes, even on the Federation side) and people die.. those are the best episodes. Introducing the Borg, an implacable enemy with superior technology, and enemy who can't be dealt with in a single episode, was one of the best things the Trek franchise could have done.

 

[notfred]

I hope they don't overdo the time travel thing. A couple time travel episodes per season would be ok, but most of the episodes should stand on thier own, like they have in past trek shows. That also what killed the X-files.

 

[FSUpaintball]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
this thread is soo last year.

haha

I haven't watched Star Trek in years. What's the deal with this time travel thing you guys are talking about?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Noriaki

That whole thing about Hoshi being claustrophobic was useless, since why would see be on a starship in the first place? And she seemed to have a lot of room in the ducts, since she was on her hands and knees the whole time, it seemed like any one of the other male crewmembers could have just as easily maneuvered through the ducts.

The whole thing about Hoshi being on board enterprise is useless.

I can't believe they killed off Tasha Yar and but not Hoshi. She's far more pathetic and useless.

Enterprise could still easily go the road of Voyager, I don't think they are doing a terribly good job with it so far. I really like the premise of the show, but the implementation thus far kinda stinks.

Hoshi is at least a linguist, not completely useless like Counselor Troi.

Feeeelinnnngs. Nothing more than... feeelinnnngs.

Put her in the airlock and depressurize her already. :disgust:

 

[Tsaico]

I like the show over all, but there are some inconsistancies. Like in DS9 and in Voyager they say that Klingons just dispose of bodies the most convenient ways... yet Klingons want the body of their dead comrade in the pilot. And not to mention, why do they look like that at all anyways. In kirk's time they looked completly different. So they look like TNG+ klingons and then revert to human like one for kirk (and the crew of ds9 in a certain time traveling tribble episode), and then back again? As for the weaponry and defense... i think they are right on, though albeit a bit underpowered for the troubles in space (you figure they would have some rocks to throw or something)

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Tsaico
I like the show over all, but there are some inconsistancies. Like in DS9 and in Voyager they say that Klingons just dispose of bodies the most convenient ways... yet Klingons want the body of their dead comrade in the pilot. And not to mention, why do they look like that at all anyways. In kirk's time they looked completly different. So they look like TNG+ klingons and then revert to human like one for kirk (and the crew of ds9 in a certain time traveling tribble episode), and then back again? As for the weaponry and defense... i think they are right on, though albeit a bit underpowered for the troubles in space (you figure they would have some rocks to throw or something)

There's far too much reliance on energy weapons (which are either chronically underpowered, or always fail when you need them the most). Why not use nuclear missiles with some form of proximity fuse? Mines? (An effective nuclear minefield would have taken care of the Sulibhan cell ships or whatever they're called..)

The Klingon appearance thing should just be glossed over and ignored, attributed to '60s-era special effects and low-budget props/makeup. It's a fact of life that today we live in an era of latex prosthetic foreheads..

 

[0roo0roo]

watch 1st season then judge.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch 1st season then judge.

Sorry, given that I've only seen this one episode, I have a strong tendency to judge the entire Trek franchise.

 

[vegetation]

Actually, it was either Kirk or Spock that stated the old Romulan-Earth wars (which will take place a few years ahead of the current Enterprise show) used old style nuclear weapons for much of the fighting.

There's far too much reliance on energy weapons (which are either chronically underpowered, or always fail when you need them the most). Why not use nuclear missiles with some form of proximity fuse? Mines? (An effective nuclear minefield would have taken care of the Sulibhan cell ships or whatever they're called..)

Unfortunately, "Trials and Tribulations" episode on DS9 totally derailled the makeup theory; Worf stated how Klingons really did look like humans during the TOS era but did not supply an explanation other than "we don't talk to outsiders about it".

The Klingon appearance thing should just be glossed over and ignored, attributed to '60s-era special effects and low-budget props/makeup. It's a fact of life that today we live in an era of latex prosthetic foreheads..

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Tsaico
I like the show over all, but there are some inconsistancies. Like in DS9 and in Voyager they say that Klingons just dispose of bodies the most convenient ways... yet Klingons want the body of their dead comrade in the pilot. And not to mention, why do they look like that at all anyways. In kirk's time they looked completly different. So they look like TNG+ klingons and then revert to human like one for kirk (and the crew of ds9 in a certain time traveling tribble episode), and then back again? As for the weaponry and defense... i think they are right on, though albeit a bit underpowered for the troubles in space (you figure they would have some rocks to throw or something)

They wanted the body of their comrade in the pilot because of the data that had been hidden in his DNA.

As for the appearances of the Klingons, it has been explained as being the result of a genetic engineering mishap gone horribly wrong, and also explained that there are three different species of Klingon. Rumour has it that they may hash it out in the Enterprise series, or maybe in the new series they are discussing, which will bridge the gap from Enterprise to Star Trek: TOS.

 

[Noriaki]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: Noriaki

That whole thing about Hoshi being claustrophobic was useless, since why would see be on a starship in the first place? And she seemed to have a lot of room in the ducts, since she was on her hands and knees the whole time, it seemed like any one of the other male crewmembers could have just as easily maneuvered through the ducts.

The whole thing about Hoshi being on board enterprise is useless.

I can't believe they killed off Tasha Yar and but not Hoshi. She's far more pathetic and useless.

Enterprise could still easily go the road of Voyager, I don't think they are doing a terribly good job with it so far. I really like the premise of the show, but the implementation thus far kinda stinks.

Hoshi is at least a linguist, not completely useless like Counselor Troi.

Feeeelinnnngs. Nothing more than... feeelinnnngs.

Put her in the airlock and depressurize her already. :disgust:

Well Hoshi hardly need to be a linguist, she's really just a polygot for 1. For 2 all she does is work the universal translator. There's been like one episode where she actually tried to just talk to people. Thirdly Hoshi is way more whiney and annoying than Troi. And finally if you subscribe to Jellomancer's theory that TNG was about all those other disciplines, then Troi's character is fairly important.



As for the Klingon discrepency, I think that Worf's comment about the Klingons was really just a joke (from the producers to the watchers, not from Worf to his friends). Now that they have an older generation show I'm not sure how that fits in...but they just used some Editting because they couldn't reshoot the whole tribbles episode from the first one.

I've always just assumed all Klingons look like Worf, and just accept the original series couldn't do much with 60s era makeup, and that Worf's comment was just a Producer to Viewer joke. I've never heard of ShotgunSteve's thing that there are 3 species of Klingon though. Maybe that's why.

 

[radiocore]

EIther way, I'm just happy that Enterprise is on the air....

Fun to watch.

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Episodes where they take risks, where ships blow up (yes, even on the Federation side) and people die.. those are the best episodes.

Which is why "Lower Decks" is my all-time favorite TNG episode.