So I was listening to the Senate health care debate today on CSPAN . . .

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

shiner

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
17,112
1
0
What's so amazing?

I've been pointing out the America hating ways of the Republicans for ten years especially their montra of if your rich you live and poor you die.

Was this before or after you voted for Bush?

As for hating America...if anyone does it is you....need I remind you of your little I hope America becomes Somalia at least that way everyone will be equal post from a few days ago?
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
33,655
687
126
What's so amazing?

I've been pointing out the America hating ways of the Republicans for ten years especially their montra of if your rich you live and poor you die.

The only person who hates America is you. It has been proven in these very forums -- you are the one that stated you wouldn't mind if America became like Somalia so everyone is "equal." I'm sure Lenin, Marx, and Stalin would be so proud.

You are a disgraceful human being and the fact that you voted for Bush and won't take any responsibility for it shows why no one takes you seriously and why you're the joke of the forum.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,889
47
91
www.alienbabeltech.com
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
What's so amazing?

I've been pointing out the America hating ways of the Republicans for ten years especially their montra of if your rich you live and poor you die.



How have you been pointing it out for 10 years if you voted for Bush as I hear?

Do you believe everything you hear?
 

Munky

Diamond Member
Feb 5, 2005
9,372
0
76
Republican Senators were shrill and self-righteous.

Does anyone with any intelligence at all believe this right-wing bullshit?

No, but I didn't believe in the left-wing bullshit either, especially the one being spewed out of Pelosi's mouth.
 

shira

Diamond Member
Jan 12, 2005
9,500
6
81
Two things you might want to consider unless you're just engaging in some partisan trolling:

1) The CBO analyzes projects based on assumptions that they are handed. The results largely depend on these assumptions which are usually highly partisan. I suspect you're probably allergic to hearing about shady dealings from the left, so for an example of this you can tolerate look at (Republican) Ryan's deficit eliminating proposal here:

www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10851/01-27-Ryan-Roadmap-Letter.pdf

It looks pretty good until you learn that this is with the assumption that the revenue portion of the plan generates 19% GDP in taxes. That is Ryan's assumption, yet the "CBO" result is favorable as a result of that assumption.

The same games have been played with the health care proposal. I'll let you look into the specifics if you're interested instead of highlighting examples you will disbelieve simply because they came from me.

2) The effect on the government's budget deficit is just not an issue when it comes to the larger economic picture (in spite of what everybody in congress and most posters here believe). It's a lot easier to estimate than trying to gauge the overall impact to the economy, but it's really just a drop in the bucket compared to the much more important issue of the overall economy.

I appreciate your attempts at careful analysis (unlike many who post here), and your point 1 is valid as far as it goes. But as Wolfe9999 pointed out in another thread, the CBO has a long history of UNDERestimating the savings of various proposals. In addition, the "assumptions" you referred to account for only a small fraction of the projected savings (at most about $300 billion, as I recall - I'll see if I can find the link), meaning that about $1 trillion of the estimated savings are not partisan at all.

Your point 2 also has some validity, but it's a criticism that can be applied to all major bills. Furthermore, some "macro" effects are rather easy to predict:

More people having health insurance will mean fewer people driven into bankruptcy because of serious health problems in the family.

Removing lifetime maximums, ditto.

More people having health insurance will mean more people will receiving routine preventive care (physicals, screenings, and vaccines) => improved health. And that in turn will undoubtedly have positive economic effects.

No pre-existing-condition exclusions will mean that people are no longer locked into employer-based group plans, so they'll be free to explore starting their own businesses or moving to other jobs without fear of lost coverage. This could have a major positive economic effect on our economy. Furthermore, people will be freer to escape bad marriages or to move to other states (many states currently have no insurance "pools" except for HIPAA continuation coverage, and moving to one of those states can mean the end to your coverage).

Many conservatives are proclaiming huge premium increases, which is a pretty bold prediction considering that the detailed implementation rules for Obamacare have not been figured out yet.
 
Last edited:

shadow9d9

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
8,132
2
0
Well, dummies like you fall for all the left-wing BS, so I guess you've established there is no shortage of suckers.

Oh, and posting in a throll thread!

There is no left wing in the US. Repeating it doesn't make it so. Only right and slightly right of center.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
19,946
2,329
126
. . . and I came to an amazing realization:

When one of the Senators made extremist claims without any supporting information ("This bill will cause premiums to rapidly increase. It will destroy Medicare."), it was ALWAYS a Republican. And when a Senator made measured statements and backed them up with relevant quotes from a broad range of health care economists, it was ALWAYS a Democrat.

Democratic Senators were reserved and thoughtful. Republican Senators were shrill and self-righteous.

Does anyone with any intelligence at all believe this right-wing bullshit?

We get it. Your team of shitbags is good. The other team of shitbags is bad. Simply repeating those two sentences could save a lot of people around here a ton of time.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,091
513
126
Well, I assume you've been listening to all that right-wing nonsense for years, so it's understandable that your intellectual development has lagged. But if you can remember to religiously read my posts - And Vic's and Moonbeams and Woolfe9999's too - you have an excellent chance of improving.

Lumping yourself in with Vic lmao. You think too highly of yourself.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
74,617
6,717
126
We get it. Your team of shitbags is good. The other team of shitbags is bad. Simply repeating those two sentences could save a lot of people around here a ton of time.

A natural feature of shit bags is that they assume everybody else is one too.

But you're not really really a shit bag. You're actually more of on ignorant fool.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
74,617
6,717
126
I appreciate your amazingly unbiased and objective view :thumbsup:

Wait a minute here. Shira said:

". . . and I came to an amazing realization:

When one of the Senators made extremist claims without any supporting information ("This bill will cause premiums to rapidly increase. It will destroy Medicare."), it was ALWAYS a Republican. And when a Senator made measured statements and backed them up with relevant quotes from a broad range of health care economists, it was ALWAYS a Democrat.

Democratic Senators were reserved and thoughtful. Republican Senators were shrill and self-righteous.

Does anyone with any intelligence at all believe this right-wing bullshit?"

Don't you think, in a post describing the right as making extremist claims without any supporting information you shouldn't instantly do exactly the same. Back up your assertion. How is he amazingly biased and objective? That should be your job, no? Because all you did is assert his point by a lame denial.
 

Bird222

Diamond Member
Jun 7, 2004
3,641
132
106
1) The CBO analyzes projects based on assumptions that they are handed. The results largely depend on these assumptions which are usually highly partisan. I suspect you're probably allergic to hearing about shady dealings from the left, so for an example of this you can tolerate look at (Republican) Ryan's deficit eliminating proposal here:

I would be interested in seeing some examples of assumptions that you think are out of wack.