So I sent an E-mail today

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc
Am I honeslty in the vast minority that recognizes that academic honesty is paramount to an education. Without the proper education, a degree is meaningless. Are you all that short-sighted and stubborn to follow the mob mentality of "Stop Snitching!" Surely, there are some sane and rational people on here who may not agree with Loke's actions personally but can set their personal feelings aside and recognize the fact that what he did, reporting a professed cheater with appropriate evidence to officials that can judge his actions adequately, was not only right but warranted by the situation?

EDIT: Loke's original thread deleted?

Unless it's directly hurting you or someone you love, you do not fvck with a person's livelihood, which includes their education.

There's the slippery slope. One can infer that it would invariably hurt them or someone they love. By being passed up for a job opportunity to someone who has unjustly earned a certification directly affects my life. If I put in the hard-work it takes to earn the degree as opposed to someone who cheated his way through life, you're damn right I would want someone to point that out.

Trust me... a guy who cheated his way through school and doesn't know what the hell he is doing would be easily found out at his job. And if not, you don't want to work for that company anyway.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc
Am I honeslty in the vast minority that recognizes that academic honesty is paramount to an education. Without the proper education, a degree is meaningless. Are you all that short-sighted and stubborn to follow the mob mentality of "Stop Snitching!" Surely, there are some sane and rational people on here who may not agree with Loke's actions personally but can set their personal feelings aside and recognize the fact that what he did, reporting a professed cheater with appropriate evidence to officials that can judge his actions adequately, was not only right but warranted by the situation?

EDIT: Loke's original thread deleted?

Unless it's directly hurting you or someone you love, you do not fvck with a person's livelihood, which includes their education.

There's the slippery slope. One can infer that it would invariably hurt them or someone they love. By being passed up for a job opportunity to someone who has unjustly earned a certification directly affects my life. If I put in the hard-work it takes to earn the degree as opposed to someone who cheated his way through life, you're damn right I would want someone to point that out.

That's why I said directly.

That's why I stated it would hurt me by having my job opportunity quelshed by someone who cheated their way through school. Nothing more direct than a hit in my wallet.

And someone in another part of the country who you don't even know, who isn't even in college yet, and doesn't even know if he's going to stick with his major, is going to wind up taking your job down the road?

In my mind, because it has an extremely slight possibility of happening != directly.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc
Am I honeslty in the vast minority that recognizes that academic honesty is paramount to an education. Without the proper education, a degree is meaningless. Are you all that short-sighted and stubborn to follow the mob mentality of "Stop Snitching!" Surely, there are some sane and rational people on here who may not agree with Loke's actions personally but can set their personal feelings aside and recognize the fact that what he did, reporting a professed cheater with appropriate evidence to officials that can judge his actions adequately, was not only right but warranted by the situation?

EDIT: Loke's original thread deleted?

Unless it's directly hurting you or someone you love, you do not fvck with a person's livelihood, which includes their education.

There's the slippery slope. One can infer that it would invariably hurt them or someone they love. By being passed up for a job opportunity to someone who has unjustly earned a certification directly affects my life. If I put in the hard-work it takes to earn the degree as opposed to someone who cheated his way through life, you're damn right I would want someone to point that out.

That's why I said directly.

That's why I stated it would hurt me by having my job opportunity quelshed by someone who cheated their way through school. Nothing more direct than a hit in my wallet.

And someone in another part of the country who you don't even know, who isn't even in college yet, and doesn't even know if he's going to stick with his major, is going to wind up taking your job down the road?

In my mind, because it has an extremely slight possibility of happening != directly.

Well you have to realize that I am one man out of 7billion (give or take). Essentially, everyone wants to make the most out of their life. I can't adequately be represented of every person in America or the corporate world or w/e. Imagine all the people who are looking for a job are like me and want an even playing field ... that way when you pose that "how does it directly affect me"question you're theoritically asking EVERY potential job applicant anywhere... it's bound to affect them invariable. someone will be affected directly somewhere by the cheaters actions.

Odin: true enough he will be found out eventually but that's a moot point. At the point in time where your applying/interviewing for a job, one assumes they are an even playing field. Hindsight gets you nowhere to a job.

 

[l Xes l]

"i go all out"
LMAO

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc
Am I honeslty in the vast minority that recognizes that academic honesty is paramount to an education. Without the proper education, a degree is meaningless. Are you all that short-sighted and stubborn to follow the mob mentality of "Stop Snitching!" Surely, there are some sane and rational people on here who may not agree with Loke's actions personally but can set their personal feelings aside and recognize the fact that what he did, reporting a professed cheater with appropriate evidence to officials that can judge his actions adequately, was not only right but warranted by the situation?

EDIT: Loke's original thread deleted?

Unless it's directly hurting you or someone you love, you do not fvck with a person's livelihood, which includes their education.

There's the slippery slope. One can infer that it would invariably hurt them or someone they love. By being passed up for a job opportunity to someone who has unjustly earned a certification directly affects my life. If I put in the hard-work it takes to earn the degree as opposed to someone who cheated his way through life, you're damn right I would want someone to point that out.

That's why I said directly.

That's why I stated it would hurt me by having my job opportunity quelshed by someone who cheated their way through school. Nothing more direct than a hit in my wallet.

And someone in another part of the country who you don't even know, who isn't even in college yet, and doesn't even know if he's going to stick with his major, is going to wind up taking your job down the road?

In my mind, because it has an extremely slight possibility of happening != directly.

Well you have to realize that I am one man out of 7billion (give or take). Essentially, everyone wants to make the most out of their life. I can't adequately be represented of every person in America or the corporate world or w/e. Imagine all the people who are looking for a job are like me and want an even playing field ... that way when you pose that "how does it directly affect me"question you're theoritically asking EVERY potential job applicant anywhere... it's bound to affect them invariable. someone will be affected directly somewhere by the cheaters actions.

Odin: true enough he will be found out eventually but that's a moot point. At the point in time where your applying/interviewing for a job, one assumes they are an even playing field. Hindsight gets you nowhere to a job.

Simpy put, in this case I believe the slippery slope is invalid. The chances of it happening are just absolutely too remote to actually warrant possibly destroying a person's life. The chain of events that would require this specific event to actually impact me personally is simply too large in my opinion.

Now for example, if some was in the kid's HS, and going to his college, and stumbled across the post on this board, I might not fault them for turning him in.

 

[TallBill]

wowsers 😛

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc
Am I honeslty in the vast minority that recognizes that academic honesty is paramount to an education. Without the proper education, a degree is meaningless. Are you all that short-sighted and stubborn to follow the mob mentality of "Stop Snitching!" Surely, there are some sane and rational people on here who may not agree with Loke's actions personally but can set their personal feelings aside and recognize the fact that what he did, reporting a professed cheater with appropriate evidence to officials that can judge his actions adequately, was not only right but warranted by the situation?

EDIT: Loke's original thread deleted?

Unless it's directly hurting you or someone you love, you do not fvck with a person's livelihood, which includes their education.

There's the slippery slope. One can infer that it would invariably hurt them or someone they love. By being passed up for a job opportunity to someone who has unjustly earned a certification directly affects my life. If I put in the hard-work it takes to earn the degree as opposed to someone who cheated his way through life, you're damn right I would want someone to point that out.

That's why I said directly.

That's why I stated it would hurt me by having my job opportunity quelshed by someone who cheated their way through school. Nothing more direct than a hit in my wallet.

And someone in another part of the country who you don't even know, who isn't even in college yet, and doesn't even know if he's going to stick with his major, is going to wind up taking your job down the road?

In my mind, because it has an extremely slight possibility of happening != directly.

Well you have to realize that I am one man out of 7billion (give or take). Essentially, everyone wants to make the most out of their life. I can't adequately be represented of every person in America or the corporate world or w/e. Imagine all the people who are looking for a job are like me and want an even playing field ... that way when you pose that "how does it directly affect me"question you're theoritically asking EVERY potential job applicant anywhere... it's bound to affect them invariable. someone will be affected directly somewhere by the cheaters actions.

Odin: true enough he will be found out eventually but that's a moot point. At the point in time where your applying/interviewing for a job, one assumes they are an even playing field. Hindsight gets you nowhere to a job.

Simpy put, in this case I believe the slippery slope is invalid. The chances of it happening are just absolutely too remote to actually warrant possibly destroying a person's life. The chain of events that would require this specific event to actually impact me personally is simply too large in my opinion.

Now for example, if some was in the kid's HS, and going to his college, and stumbled across the post on this board, I might not fault them for turning him in.

I see. You personally, you're correct the possibility is entirely too remote. However, if one thinks a little larger it's only logical to assume that he (or she) will use the degree acquired from the classes they cheated in to persue a job. In that job, they will compete with other applicants. Thus, if one thinks in the bigger picture, it is clear that someone will be affected rather negatively from the mischevious deeds committed by the member of these forums. Loke did the right thing in bringing it to the attention of the appropriate authorities in hopes to nip the problem in the bud. I feel that the bigger picture is just as important as my prospective job prospects. The information just so happened to have originated here.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

I see. You personally, you're correct the possibility is entirely too remote. However, if one thinks a little larger it's only logical to assume that he (or she) will use the degree acquired from the classes they cheated in to persue a job. In that job, they will compete with other applicants. Thus, if one thinks in the bigger picture, it is clear that someone will be affected rather negatively from the mischevious deeds committed by the member of these forums. Loke did the right thing in bringing it to the attention of the appropriate authorities in hopes to nip the problem in the bud. I feel that the bigger picture is just as important as my prospective job prospects. The information just so happened to have originated here.

Understandable.

It's just that in this scenario, where Loke's actions (if he actually did send the e-mail, I haven't even seen the thread to know if he did) have an extremely high probability of very severely impacting the kid's life, the probability that the slippery slope will actually wind up impacting the life of a person to the same extent is even more improbable than the scenario of him taking someone's job in the first place.

For example, I don't go and rat on people that wrongly dump fluorescent bulbs in their garbage. The mercury from the bulb may get into the water supply, causing someone down the road to ingest it, and then eventually lead to a disease as a result of the mercury ingestion. This problem is even more widespread than cheating, yet I choose not to do something about it.

You can apply this slippery slope to many, many other scenarios that would wind up "directly" impacting a person, yet people still choose not to do anything.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Am I honeslty in the vast minority that recognizes that academic honesty is paramount to an education. Without the proper education, a degree is meaningless. Are you all that short-sighted and stubborn to follow the mob mentality of "Stop Snitching!" Surely, there are some sane and rational people on here who may not agree with Loke's actions personally but can set their personal feelings aside and recognize the fact that what he did, reporting a professed cheater with appropriate evidence to officials that can judge his actions adequately, was not only right but warranted by the situation?

EDIT: Loke's original thread deleted?

I think it's a good thing that Loke reported him, but man, it was a HUGE mistake to post a thread about it...

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: chambersc

I see. You personally, you're correct the possibility is entirely too remote. However, if one thinks a little larger it's only logical to assume that he (or she) will use the degree acquired from the classes they cheated in to persue a job. In that job, they will compete with other applicants. Thus, if one thinks in the bigger picture, it is clear that someone will be affected rather negatively from the mischevious deeds committed by the member of these forums. Loke did the right thing in bringing it to the attention of the appropriate authorities in hopes to nip the problem in the bud. I feel that the bigger picture is just as important as my prospective job prospects. The information just so happened to have originated here.

Understandable.

It's just that in this scenario, where Loke's actions (if he actually did send the e-mail, I haven't even seen the thread to know if he did) have an extremely high probability of very severely impacting the kid's life, the probability that the slippery slope will actually wind up impacting the life of a person to the same extent is even more improbable than the scenario of him taking someone's job in the first place.

For example, I don't go and rat on people that wrongly dump fluorescent bulbs in their garbage. The mercury from the bulb may get into the water supply, causing someone down the road to ingest it, and then eventually lead to a disease as a result of the mercury ingestion. This problem is even more widespread than cheating, yet I choose not to do something about it.

You can apply this slippery slope to many, many other scenarios that would wind up "directly" impacting a person, yet people still choose not to do anything.

I'm not accussing you nor am I attacking you personally but the law defines you technically as being culpable for the crime. If you witness a murder and don't report/prevent it, you're just as guilty. I'm not here to qualify that but rather point it out. Maybe if the mindset wasn't so "anti-snitching" the community would be a better place. A certain stigma is attached to someone or something for wanting to right some wrongs that are perpetuated everyday. Just because 99 people out of 100 do something doesn't make it any more correct ... two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Unless it's directly hurting you or someone you love, you do not fvck with a person's livelihood, which includes their education.

So if I rob 7/11s for a living, and you happen to get my license plate number...you won't report it because no one you love works at a 7/11?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: BigJ
Unless it's directly hurting you or someone you love, you do not fvck with a person's livelihood, which includes their education.

So if I rob 7/11s for a living, and you happen to get my license plate number...you won't report it because no one you love works at a 7/11?

Please, try to keep things within reason. You know that was not what my statement meant in the context of the thread.

Even so, let's take it a step further based on the statement.

If I see someone rob a 7/11, I'd hand the # over to the police. Why? More than likely, someone in my town or community that I at least know of was in that 7/11. Even if they weren't, there's a good chance that either myself or someone I know could've been in that place. Also, having a person like that loose in my neighborhood not only affects the local businesses, but also the safety of the community, which includes myself and my loved ones. How do I know they haven't been robbing residential buildings? On top of that, how do I know this person doesn't hold up all sorts of establishments? Since both myself and people I know actively frequent places that are associated with this type of robbery, there's a very, very good chance that it may happen to me. This is extremely close to a direct effect on myself and my loved ones as justified so far, without continuing.

Do I need to continue?

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: chambersc
I'm not accussing you nor am I attacking you personally but the law defines you technically as being culpable for the crime. If you witness a murder and don't report/prevent it, you're just as guilty. I'm not here to qualify that but rather point it out. Maybe if the mindset wasn't so "anti-snitching" the community would be a better place. A certain stigma is attached to someone or something for wanting to right some wrongs that are perpetuated everyday. Just because 99 people out of 100 do something doesn't make it any more correct ... two wrongs don't make a right.

That's all fine and gravy and all that, but it's in no way comparable to a murder. It's a kid who allegedly cheated on some homework, which does not affect you one iota.

He'll get found out soon enough. I'm sick and tired of "you did the right thing to rat someone out who you've never met and never will" posts. It's no-one's business apart from the kid himself.

 

[ForumMaster]

Originally posted by: Aquila76

Originally posted by: LoKe
:thumbsup:

Even I laughed.

:laugh: at thread
:thumbsup: at LoKe for being a good sport

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: LoKe
I have no problem with people making jokes at my own expense, if it's funny, I'll laugh. I honestly think that the whole subject has been blown way out of proportion and I appologize to anyone who I've offended.

So did the dude who cheated.

Yep... apologies aren't enough in LoKe's book. They need to be crucified before ammends can be made.

 

[rudder]

This thread is useless without the original thread.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

There's a link to it in the guy's post..

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Parody of the Year!

FTW!!!!!!

 

[j00fek]

rofl

 

[Vinfinite]

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
There's a link to it in the guy's post..

link doesnt seem to work 🙁

unless its just me

 

[Stuxnet]

The original thread was deleted.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: LoKe
I have no problem with people making jokes at my own expense, if it's funny, I'll laugh. I honestly think that the whole subject has been blown way out of proportion and I appologize to anyone who I've offended.

karma 😉

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Phil

Originally posted by: chambersc
I'm not accussing you nor am I attacking you personally but the law defines you technically as being culpable for the crime. If you witness a murder and don't report/prevent it, you're just as guilty. I'm not here to qualify that but rather point it out. Maybe if the mindset wasn't so "anti-snitching" the community would be a better place. A certain stigma is attached to someone or something for wanting to right some wrongs that are perpetuated everyday. Just because 99 people out of 100 do something doesn't make it any more correct ... two wrongs don't make a right.

That's all fine and gravy and all that, but it's in no way comparable to a murder. It's a kid who allegedly cheated on some homework, which does not affect you one iota.

He'll get found out soon enough. I'm sick and tired of "you did the right thing to rat someone out who you've never met and never will" posts. It's no-one's business apart from the kid himself.

And what I've been pointing out is that I represent myself and I cannot speak for that person who had their application denied by a manager because another prospect (the cheater) appears better. If they could speak, they would unquestionably voice opposition to what that guy did. Consider that I speak for him.