So I got free satellite...

[BigToquex]

A family that I do the odd bit of tech support for every once and a while just decided to give me a satellite dish and receiver. Its a small dish and a Bell Express View 2700 receiver (w/ card).

I'm just wondering, I can put the dish up myself, but how do I go about getting some service? Are there any free channels? (like you can get w/ a tv & bunnie ears)

 

[dman]

Is it DirecTV or DishNetwork?

I think DirecTV you can get free audio channels (music) but no tv.

Not sure about dish.

 

[BigToquex]

Dish I believe

 

[jfall]

there isn't anything on there worth putting a dish up over.. you would have to get some sort of subscription

 

[thereds]

Are you in Canada?

If yes, then you have the luxury of getting anything u want for a nominal one time charge.

If no, I have nothing to add here.

 

[BigToquex]

thereds,

Yes, I am in Canada.

Why?

 

[Chaotic42]

Cool.

I want to get a free satellite...

Soon you'll be mine Hubble... Soon....

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Cool.

I want to get a free satellite...

Soon you'll be mine Hubble... Soon....

I get the

James Webb Space Telescope

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: BigToque
A family that I do the odd bit of tech support for every once and a while just decided to give me a satellite dish and receiver. Its a small dish and a Bell Express View 2700 receiver (w/ card).

I'm just wondering, I can put the dish up myself, but how do I go about getting some service? Are there any free channels? (like you can get w/ a tv & bunnie ears)

you need to subscribe to look at even local channels

 

[jfall]

Are you in Canada?

If yes, then you have the luxury of getting anything u want for a nominal one time charge.

If no, I have nothing to add here.

I hope you are not referring to stealing sat signals. As this use to be legal in Canada but now is illegal

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: jfall

Are you in Canada?

If yes, then you have the luxury of getting anything u want for a nominal one time charge.

If no, I have nothing to add here.

As this use to be legal in Canada but now is illegal

/me runs to tell my neighbourhood

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: jfall

Are you in Canada?

If yes, then you have the luxury of getting anything u want for a nominal one time charge.

If no, I have nothing to add here.

I hope you are not referring to stealing sat signals. As this use to be legal in Canada but now is illegal

How can it be stealing if they are sending the signals to you? He didn't ask for them to broadcast those damn signals into his property. I think he should sue them to have them remove those signals from his property.

KK

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jfall

Are you in Canada?

If yes, then you have the luxury of getting anything u want for a nominal one time charge.

If no, I have nothing to add here.

I hope you are not referring to stealing sat signals. As this use to be legal in Canada but now is illegal

How can it be stealing if they are sending the signals to you? He didn't ask for them to broadcast those damn signals into his property. I think he should sue them to have them remove those signals from his property.

KK

you've got to be fsckin kidding me...

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jfall

Are you in Canada?

If yes, then you have the luxury of getting anything u want for a nominal one time charge.

If no, I have nothing to add here.

I hope you are not referring to stealing sat signals. As this use to be legal in Canada but now is illegal

How can it be stealing if they are sending the signals to you? He didn't ask for them to broadcast those damn signals into his property. I think he should sue them to have them remove those signals from his property.

KK

Is that your excuse when the IRS comes knocking on your door?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jfall

Are you in Canada?

If yes, then you have the luxury of getting anything u want for a nominal one time charge.

If no, I have nothing to add here.

I hope you are not referring to stealing sat signals. As this use to be legal in Canada but now is illegal

How can it be stealing if they are sending the signals to you? He didn't ask for them to broadcast those damn signals into his property. I think he should sue them to have them remove those signals from his property.

KK

Is that your excuse when the IRS comes knocking on your door?

What's the IRS have to do with this?

And to the other poster asking if I'm kidding, What's wrong with manipulating the signal they are sending. If you use rabbit ears, that's pretty much the same thing. And yes, I was kidding about the suing part.

KK

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

If you own the, what should we call them, smart cards, then why can't one program their own cards. Let me use an example here, somebody makes a program lets say to figure out an ammortization schedule on a mortgage. They go ahead and do all the copyrighting that is required to make it theirs. Are you trying to say that someone else can't write their own program to accomplish the same task and use it in the privacy of their own home?

I can see with cable how that would be consider stealing services since you got to have cable run into your house. In order for that to work you got to enter a agreement with the cable company therefore recieving station that you are not paying for would be illegal. But in satellite that is not the case as they are broadcasting the signal to everyone whether you want it or not.

KK

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

If you own the, what should we call them, smart cards, then why can't one program their own cards. Let me use an example here, somebody makes a program lets say to figure out an ammortization schedule on a mortgage. They go ahead and do all the copyrighting that is required to make it theirs. Are you trying to say that someone else can't write their own program to accomplish the same task and use it in the privacy of their own home?

I can see with cable how that would be consider stealing services since you got to have cable run into your house. In order for that to work you got to enter a agreement with the cable company therefore receiving station that you are not paying for would be illegal. But in satellite that is not the case as they are broadcasting the signal to everyone whether you want it or not.

KK

Ahem... first of all it is not like the satellite is broadcasting evil signals that you can't help but capture. First of all you have to point your dish at the correct angle and elevation and then adjust for a good signal. You act as if it is the same as over the air channels but that is not the case. First of all the over the air channels have commercials and broadcast their signal for free because they MAKE money off of the advertising. Premium channels such as HBO and the like DO NOT have commercials and thus cannot recoup any fees. Add in the fact that ESPN and other expanded channels do not reach into as many households, and you will see why you have to pay to view them. Secondly, the smart card is NOT yours. It is owned by the Satellite provider and they are letting you use it.

Finally, the software to interface with their satellites is protected under applicable licensing and trademark laws. If you created similar software(if you yourself even could) then it would have to use their proprietary method to communicate with THEIR satellites. I wasn't aware it was LEGAL to steal someone proprietary software and modify it to access their network and then steal their services. Everywhere I have ever been sort of thinks it might be a tad bit illegal since you are not compensating them for fair use or been given access to their network. You are digitally trespassing whether you believe it or not.

One last thing before I finish laughing at your stupidity is the fact that you argument is ignoring the massive slippery slope it creates. Water mains are in YOUR yard; power lines are run to your house; telephone lines are run to your house; why shouldn't you be able to use them for free? Afterall... you didn't ask for them to put it there. Moron.

The sheer lunacy of your mortgage example makes me wonder if you are slow or just plain stupid.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

If you own the, what should we call them, smart cards, then why can't one program their own cards. Let me use an example here, somebody makes a program lets say to figure out an ammortization schedule on a mortgage. They go ahead and do all the copyrighting that is required to make it theirs. Are you trying to say that someone else can't write their own program to accomplish the same task and use it in the privacy of their own home?

I can see with cable how that would be consider stealing services since you got to have cable run into your house. In order for that to work you got to enter a agreement with the cable company therefore receiving station that you are not paying for would be illegal. But in satellite that is not the case as they are broadcasting the signal to everyone whether you want it or not.

KK

Ahem... first of all it is not like the satellite is broadcasting evil signals that you can't help but capture. First of all you have to point your dish at the correct angle and elevation and then adjust for a good signal. You act as if it is the same as over the air channels but that is not the case. First of all the over the air channels have commercials and broadcast their signal for free because they MAKE money off of the advertising. Premium channels such as HBO and the like DO NOT have commercials and thus cannot recoup any fees. Add in the fact that ESPN and other expanded channels do not reach into as many households, and you will see why you have to pay to view them. Secondly, the smart card is NOT yours. It is owned by the Satellite provider and they are letting you use it.

Finally, the software to interface with their satellites is protected under applicable licensing and trademark laws. If you created similar software(if you yourself even could) then it would have to use their proprietary method to communicate with THEIR satellites. I wasn't aware it was LEGAL to steal someone proprietary software and modify it to access their network and then steal their services. Everywhere I have ever been sort of thinks it might be a tad bit illegal since you are not compensating them for fair use or been given access to their network. You are digitally trespassing whether you believe it or not.

One last thing before I finish laughing at your stupidity is the fact that you argument is ignoring the massive slippery slope it creates. Water mains are in YOUR yard; power lines are run to your house; telephone lines are run to your house; why shouldn't you be able to use them for free? Afterall... you didn't ask for them to put it there. Moron.

The sheer lunacy of your mortgage example makes me wonder if you are slow or just plain stupid.

First off, it doesn't matter that you have to point the dish straight at their satellite so that point of yours is useless. Second, the different line up of channels(local vs. premium) is irrelevant in this agrument, because whats it matter since all are broadcasted thru their satellite. Third point, you can buy generic smart cards, you do know that, don't you? They are not owned by the satellite companies. Fourth, I can see how they can claim that the software is proprietary, and that is only valid point you brought up in your ramblings. But, if one could make their own software, that should not be illegal. That is why I made up that mortgage example, that must have flown right over your head.

Let me address your final point for the second time, you know, the slippery slope. Water mains are in your yard, one you have to pay them to have them run the lines to your house. Telephones, same thing, you got to pay to recieve the lines coming into you house.

KK

 

[dmurray14]

Wait, so stealing satellite in Canada is now illegal? Sucks to be all you guys...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

If you own the, what should we call them, smart cards, then why can't one program their own cards. Let me use an example here, somebody makes a program lets say to figure out an ammortization schedule on a mortgage. They go ahead and do all the copyrighting that is required to make it theirs. Are you trying to say that someone else can't write their own program to accomplish the same task and use it in the privacy of their own home?

I can see with cable how that would be consider stealing services since you got to have cable run into your house. In order for that to work you got to enter a agreement with the cable company therefore receiving station that you are not paying for would be illegal. But in satellite that is not the case as they are broadcasting the signal to everyone whether you want it or not.

KK

Ahem... first of all it is not like the satellite is broadcasting evil signals that you can't help but capture. First of all you have to point your dish at the correct angle and elevation and then adjust for a good signal. You act as if it is the same as over the air channels but that is not the case. First of all the over the air channels have commercials and broadcast their signal for free because they MAKE money off of the advertising. Premium channels such as HBO and the like DO NOT have commercials and thus cannot recoup any fees. Add in the fact that ESPN and other expanded channels do not reach into as many households, and you will see why you have to pay to view them. Secondly, the smart card is NOT yours. It is owned by the Satellite provider and they are letting you use it.

Finally, the software to interface with their satellites is protected under applicable licensing and trademark laws. If you created similar software(if you yourself even could) then it would have to use their proprietary method to communicate with THEIR satellites. I wasn't aware it was LEGAL to steal someone proprietary software and modify it to access their network and then steal their services. Everywhere I have ever been sort of thinks it might be a tad bit illegal since you are not compensating them for fair use or been given access to their network. You are digitally trespassing whether you believe it or not.

One last thing before I finish laughing at your stupidity is the fact that you argument is ignoring the massive slippery slope it creates. Water mains are in YOUR yard; power lines are run to your house; telephone lines are run to your house; why shouldn't you be able to use them for free? Afterall... you didn't ask for them to put it there. Moron.

The sheer lunacy of your mortgage example makes me wonder if you are slow or just plain stupid.

First off, it doesn't matter that you have to point the dish straight at their satellite so that point of yours is useless. Second, the different line up of channels(local vs. premium) is irrelevant in this agrument, because whats it matter since all are broadcasted thru their satellite. Third point, you can buy generic smart cards, you do know that, don't you? They are not owned by the satellite companies. Fourth, I can see how they can claim that the software is proprietary, and that is only valid point you brought up in your ramblings. But, if one could make their own software, that should not be illegal. That is why I made up that mortgage example, that must have flown right over your head.

Let me address your final point for the second time, you know, the slippery slope. Water mains are in your yard, one you have to pay them to have them run the lines to your house. Telephones, same thing, you got to pay to recieve the lines coming into you house.

KK

You don't have to fvking pay for telephone lines or water lines. What in the holy hell are you talking about? Secondly, the premium vs over the air channels is very valid since it destroys that argument of yours. Thirdly, you are not just getting inundated with signals and accidentally getting them. You are going out of you way to fvcking steal them and use something for free that I PAY for jackass. Finally, if you DO make your own software it wouldn't matter because you would have to ACCESS their network ILLEGALLY to view listings and channels. Also, you are using THEIR protocols do it and it doesn't matter if you can write it or not. If you do manage to get blackmarket satellite cards and receivers(easily done) then you have to put SOMETHING on that card to interface with the satellite company's equipment. What are you going to use? Oh! Their fvcking software.

You really are the biggest idiot on AT.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

If you own the, what should we call them, smart cards, then why can't one program their own cards. Let me use an example here, somebody makes a program lets say to figure out an ammortization schedule on a mortgage. They go ahead and do all the copyrighting that is required to make it theirs. Are you trying to say that someone else can't write their own program to accomplish the same task and use it in the privacy of their own home?

I can see with cable how that would be consider stealing services since you got to have cable run into your house. In order for that to work you got to enter a agreement with the cable company therefore receiving station that you are not paying for would be illegal. But in satellite that is not the case as they are broadcasting the signal to everyone whether you want it or not.

KK

Ahem... first of all it is not like the satellite is broadcasting evil signals that you can't help but capture. First of all you have to point your dish at the correct angle and elevation and then adjust for a good signal. You act as if it is the same as over the air channels but that is not the case. First of all the over the air channels have commercials and broadcast their signal for free because they MAKE money off of the advertising. Premium channels such as HBO and the like DO NOT have commercials and thus cannot recoup any fees. Add in the fact that ESPN and other expanded channels do not reach into as many households, and you will see why you have to pay to view them. Secondly, the smart card is NOT yours. It is owned by the Satellite provider and they are letting you use it.

Finally, the software to interface with their satellites is protected under applicable licensing and trademark laws. If you created similar software(if you yourself even could) then it would have to use their proprietary method to communicate with THEIR satellites. I wasn't aware it was LEGAL to steal someone proprietary software and modify it to access their network and then steal their services. Everywhere I have ever been sort of thinks it might be a tad bit illegal since you are not compensating them for fair use or been given access to their network. You are digitally trespassing whether you believe it or not.

One last thing before I finish laughing at your stupidity is the fact that you argument is ignoring the massive slippery slope it creates. Water mains are in YOUR yard; power lines are run to your house; telephone lines are run to your house; why shouldn't you be able to use them for free? Afterall... you didn't ask for them to put it there. Moron.

The sheer lunacy of your mortgage example makes me wonder if you are slow or just plain stupid.

First off, it doesn't matter that you have to point the dish straight at their satellite so that point of yours is useless. Second, the different line up of channels(local vs. premium) is irrelevant in this agrument, because whats it matter since all are broadcasted thru their satellite. Third point, you can buy generic smart cards, you do know that, don't you? They are not owned by the satellite companies. Fourth, I can see how they can claim that the software is proprietary, and that is only valid point you brought up in your ramblings. But, if one could make their own software, that should not be illegal. That is why I made up that mortgage example, that must have flown right over your head.

Let me address your final point for the second time, you know, the slippery slope. Water mains are in your yard, one you have to pay them to have them run the lines to your house. Telephones, same thing, you got to pay to recieve the lines coming into you house.

KK

You don't have to fvking pay for telephone lines or water lines. What in the holy hell are you talking about? Secondly, the premium vs over the air channels is very valid since it destroys that argument of yours. Thirdly, you are not just getting inundated with signals and accidentally getting them. You are going out of you way to fvcking steal them and use something for free that I PAY for jackass. Finally, if you DO make your own software it wouldn't matter because you would have to ACCESS their network ILLEGALLY to view listings and channels. Also, you are using THEIR protocols do it and it doesn't matter if you can write it or not. If you do manage to get blackmarket satellite cards and receivers(easily done) then you have to put SOMETHING on that card to interface with the satellite company's equipment. What are you going to use? Oh! Their fvcking software.

You really are the biggest idiot on AT.

I think you need to brush up on your reading skills there, mill. When did I ever say you didn't have to pay for phone, cable, or water? Second point that flew over your head, local TV stations signals are also transmitted over sat. signals. You know you can get local channels in some areas from satellite, right? If not, now you do. Therefore they make you pay for them if you subscribe. Hence another point of yours is invalid. As far as the software goes, evidently you don't know much about it. And it'd be too complicated for you to understand it, so I won't go there.

I'll end this conversation with you since you evidently got mental problems associated with your aggression. Evidently you must not have been loved as a child much. I'd go see that priest or preacher, as you need some counselling.

Good night, gotta go.

KK

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

If you own the, what should we call them, smart cards, then why can't one program their own cards. Let me use an example here, somebody makes a program lets say to figure out an ammortization schedule on a mortgage. They go ahead and do all the copyrighting that is required to make it theirs. Are you trying to say that someone else can't write their own program to accomplish the same task and use it in the privacy of their own home?

I can see with cable how that would be consider stealing services since you got to have cable run into your house. In order for that to work you got to enter a agreement with the cable company therefore receiving station that you are not paying for would be illegal. But in satellite that is not the case as they are broadcasting the signal to everyone whether you want it or not.

KK

Ahem... first of all it is not like the satellite is broadcasting evil signals that you can't help but capture. First of all you have to point your dish at the correct angle and elevation and then adjust for a good signal. You act as if it is the same as over the air channels but that is not the case. First of all the over the air channels have commercials and broadcast their signal for free because they MAKE money off of the advertising. Premium channels such as HBO and the like DO NOT have commercials and thus cannot recoup any fees. Add in the fact that ESPN and other expanded channels do not reach into as many households, and you will see why you have to pay to view them. Secondly, the smart card is NOT yours. It is owned by the Satellite provider and they are letting you use it.

Finally, the software to interface with their satellites is protected under applicable licensing and trademark laws. If you created similar software(if you yourself even could) then it would have to use their proprietary method to communicate with THEIR satellites. I wasn't aware it was LEGAL to steal someone proprietary software and modify it to access their network and then steal their services. Everywhere I have ever been sort of thinks it might be a tad bit illegal since you are not compensating them for fair use or been given access to their network. You are digitally trespassing whether you believe it or not.

One last thing before I finish laughing at your stupidity is the fact that you argument is ignoring the massive slippery slope it creates. Water mains are in YOUR yard; power lines are run to your house; telephone lines are run to your house; why shouldn't you be able to use them for free? Afterall... you didn't ask for them to put it there. Moron.

The sheer lunacy of your mortgage example makes me wonder if you are slow or just plain stupid.

First off, it doesn't matter that you have to point the dish straight at their satellite so that point of yours is useless. Second, the different line up of channels(local vs. premium) is irrelevant in this agrument, because whats it matter since all are broadcasted thru their satellite. Third point, you can buy generic smart cards, you do know that, don't you? They are not owned by the satellite companies. Fourth, I can see how they can claim that the software is proprietary, and that is only valid point you brought up in your ramblings. But, if one could make their own software, that should not be illegal. That is why I made up that mortgage example, that must have flown right over your head.

Let me address your final point for the second time, you know, the slippery slope. Water mains are in your yard, one you have to pay them to have them run the lines to your house. Telephones, same thing, you got to pay to recieve the lines coming into you house.

KK

You don't have to fvking pay for telephone lines or water lines. What in the holy hell are you talking about? Secondly, the premium vs over the air channels is very valid since it destroys that argument of yours. Thirdly, you are not just getting inundated with signals and accidentally getting them. You are going out of you way to fvcking steal them and use something for free that I PAY for jackass. Finally, if you DO make your own software it wouldn't matter because you would have to ACCESS their network ILLEGALLY to view listings and channels. Also, you are using THEIR protocols do it and it doesn't matter if you can write it or not. If you do manage to get blackmarket satellite cards and receivers(easily done) then you have to put SOMETHING on that card to interface with the satellite company's equipment. What are you going to use? Oh! Their fvcking software.

You really are the biggest idiot on AT.

I think you need to brush up on your reading skills there, mill. When did I ever say you didn't have to pay for phone, cable, or water? Second point that flew over your head, local TV stations signals are also transmitted over sat. signals. You know you can get local channels in some areas from satellite, right? If not, now you do. Therefore they make you pay for them if you subscribe. Hence another point of yours is invalid. As far as the software goes, evidently you don't know much about it. And it'd be too complicated for you to understand it, so I won't go there.

I'll end this conversation with you since you evidently got mental problems associated with your aggression. Evidently you must not have been loved as a child much. I'd go see that priest or preacher, as you need some counselling.

Good night, gotta go.

KK

Yeah, I had not idea they had local channels considering I FVCKING HAVE THEM ON MY SATELLITE YOU ASSHAT. You cannot read worth a damn! You said you have to pay to get them to run lines for water and telephone. No you don't! But yeah... don't address my points... it would shut down your brain to actually view something logical for once.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades
ok, it sounds like you don't know how the signals are being "stolen"

there is no manipulation of signals at all actually. when you order your basic service, all the extra/premium services are filtered out, not by the signal, but usually by a little card on the satelite reciever. the theft of extra channels usually means the recoding of that said card to have filters programmed out.

please don't go asking what is wrong with recoding your own cards...

If you own the, what should we call them, smart cards, then why can't one program their own cards. Let me use an example here, somebody makes a program lets say to figure out an ammortization schedule on a mortgage. They go ahead and do all the copyrighting that is required to make it theirs. Are you trying to say that someone else can't write their own program to accomplish the same task and use it in the privacy of their own home?

I can see with cable how that would be consider stealing services since you got to have cable run into your house. In order for that to work you got to enter a agreement with the cable company therefore receiving station that you are not paying for would be illegal. But in satellite that is not the case as they are broadcasting the signal to everyone whether you want it or not.

KK

Ahem... first of all it is not like the satellite is broadcasting evil signals that you can't help but capture. First of all you have to point your dish at the correct angle and elevation and then adjust for a good signal. You act as if it is the same as over the air channels but that is not the case. First of all the over the air channels have commercials and broadcast their signal for free because they MAKE money off of the advertising. Premium channels such as HBO and the like DO NOT have commercials and thus cannot recoup any fees. Add in the fact that ESPN and other expanded channels do not reach into as many households, and you will see why you have to pay to view them. Secondly, the smart card is NOT yours. It is owned by the Satellite provider and they are letting you use it.

Finally, the software to interface with their satellites is protected under applicable licensing and trademark laws. If you created similar software(if you yourself even could) then it would have to use their proprietary method to communicate with THEIR satellites. I wasn't aware it was LEGAL to steal someone proprietary software and modify it to access their network and then steal their services. Everywhere I have ever been sort of thinks it might be a tad bit illegal since you are not compensating them for fair use or been given access to their network. You are digitally trespassing whether you believe it or not.

One last thing before I finish laughing at your stupidity is the fact that you argument is ignoring the massive slippery slope it creates. Water mains are in YOUR yard; power lines are run to your house; telephone lines are run to your house; why shouldn't you be able to use them for free? Afterall... you didn't ask for them to put it there. Moron.

The sheer lunacy of your mortgage example makes me wonder if you are slow or just plain stupid.

First off, it doesn't matter that you have to point the dish straight at their satellite so that point of yours is useless. Second, the different line up of channels(local vs. premium) is irrelevant in this agrument, because whats it matter since all are broadcasted thru their satellite. Third point, you can buy generic smart cards, you do know that, don't you? They are not owned by the satellite companies. Fourth, I can see how they can claim that the software is proprietary, and that is only valid point you brought up in your ramblings. But, if one could make their own software, that should not be illegal. That is why I made up that mortgage example, that must have flown right over your head.

Let me address your final point for the second time, you know, the slippery slope. Water mains are in your yard, one you have to pay them to have them run the lines to your house. Telephones, same thing, you got to pay to recieve the lines coming into you house.

KK

You don't have to fvking pay for telephone lines or water lines. What in the holy hell are you talking about? Secondly, the premium vs over the air channels is very valid since it destroys that argument of yours. Thirdly, you are not just getting inundated with signals and accidentally getting them. You are going out of you way to fvcking steal them and use something for free that I PAY for jackass. Finally, if you DO make your own software it wouldn't matter because you would have to ACCESS their network ILLEGALLY to view listings and channels. Also, you are using THEIR protocols do it and it doesn't matter if you can write it or not. If you do manage to get blackmarket satellite cards and receivers(easily done) then you have to put SOMETHING on that card to interface with the satellite company's equipment. What are you going to use? Oh! Their fvcking software.

You really are the biggest idiot on AT.

I think you need to brush up on your reading skills there, mill. When did I ever say you didn't have to pay for phone, cable, or water? Second point that flew over your head, local TV stations signals are also transmitted over sat. signals. You know you can get local channels in some areas from satellite, right? If not, now you do. Therefore they make you pay for them if you subscribe. Hence another point of yours is invalid. As far as the software goes, evidently you don't know much about it. And it'd be too complicated for you to understand it, so I won't go there.

I'll end this conversation with you since you evidently got mental problems associated with your aggression. Evidently you must not have been loved as a child much. I'd go see that priest or preacher, as you need some counselling.

Good night, gotta go.

KK

My gosh man...are you like 12 or something?

You do realize that the only reason satelites broadcast every channel is because selectively-transmitted programming, as in the case of Cable, is impractical.

In addittion, that SIGNAL is the legitamate property of the owner, such as Hughes or Directtv or the US government. Regardless of whether or not that signal reaches your house, it is encrypted with the purpose of allowing access only to allowed parties(customers).

You can criticize my argument all you want as:

1) I am not the greatest orator or write
2) i have had a MASSIVe case of the flu which only just subsiding
3) I suck at typing

, but you are nonetheless wrong.


In the end, that SIGNAL, is not YOUR property, so accessing without permission violtates US law.

 

[KK]

My gosh man...are you like 12 or something?

No, not quite that young, but those were good times.

You do realize that the only reason satelites broadcast every channel is because selectively-transmitted programming, as in the case of Cable, is impractical.

Yes, this is the point millenium failed to understand. Since they send out everything at once, in the thought proccess of stealing, it doesn't matter whether its a local or premium channel, you are still stealing.

In addittion, that SIGNAL is the legitamate property of the owner, such as Hughes or Directtv or the US government. Regardless of whether or not that signal reaches your house, it is encrypted with the purpose of allowing access only to allowed parties(customers).

This is where I disagree. I don't believe you can claim a signal someones property if it is sent to all. That is my feeling. It's like walking past an outdoor concert, you didn't pay for the concert yet you are able to hear the sound signals, should you be arrested for that. Just because they put encryption into it, doesn't mean it still isn't a signal.

You can criticize my argument all you want as:

1) I am not the greatest orator or write

I'm not a grammer cop, so I don't do the childish stuff others do.

2) i have had a MASSIVe case of the flu which only just subsiding

Hope you get better soon, the flu sucks.

3) I suck at typing

Don't we all.

, but you are nonetheless wrong.

You opinion, which you are entitled to.

In the end, that SIGNAL, is not YOUR property, so accessing without permission violtates US law.

the property thing is up for debate, as it's on your property with out permission. Just because its law, doesn't mean it's right. Laws can change, but I really don't see it changing anytime soon.