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TheStu

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
You probably shouldn't have tried PM8, it's ancient at this point and probably has no idea what happened to your partition table.

It was what my friend recommending, he was certain that having it tell the drive to be active would have no ill effects. At this point, I just need something that will recover the files. They are still there, they just cannot be seen. Ubuntu LiveCD thinks that it is a SCSI drive.
 

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It was what my friend recommending, he was certain that having it tell the drive to be active would have no ill effects.

It shouldn't but it also wouldn't change anything, the active bit in the partition table just tells the default MS MBR which partition to hand off control to during boot. It has no affect on Windows once it's booted at all.

Ubuntu LiveCD thinks that it is a SCSI drive.

That's just because the driver is using libata so it gets presented as SCSI, it doesn't really think it's SCSI.
 

TheStu

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
It was what my friend recommending, he was certain that having it tell the drive to be active would have no ill effects.

It shouldn't but it also wouldn't change anything, the active bit in the partition table just tells the default MS MBR which partition to hand off control to during boot. It has no affect on Windows once it's booted at all.

Ubuntu LiveCD thinks that it is a SCSI drive.

That's just because the driver is using libata so it gets presented as SCSI, it doesn't really think it's SCSI.

Right, but it just says SCSI, nothing else. I cannot access the drive with the Ubuntu LiveCD or Windows now, and I can not even boot into Ubuntu, I will have to copy over what it says here later.

Also, get these shenanigans, I installed MacFUSE and NTFS-3G on OS X, and now it can see the Videos partition no problem... but cannot see the linux partition, so now I am crazy confused, and really need to get this drive working in Windows again.
 

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Right, but it just says SCSI, nothing else.

Yea, but it knows it's not SCSI. The libata library uses the SCSI layer to talk to the block layer so any driver that uses libata (both SATA and the new PATA drivers use libata) make the disks look like SCSI.

Also, get these shenanigans, I installed MacFUSE and NTFS-3G on OS X, and now it can see the Videos partition no problem... but cannot see the linux partition, so now I am crazy confused, and really need to get this drive working in Windows again.

That makes no sense.
 

TheStu

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Right, but it just says SCSI, nothing else.

Yea, but it knows it's not SCSI. The libata library uses the SCSI layer to talk to the block layer so any driver that uses libata (both SATA and the new PATA drivers use libata) make the disks look like SCSI.

Also, get these shenanigans, I installed MacFUSE and NTFS-3G on OS X, and now it can see the Videos partition no problem... but cannot see the linux partition, so now I am crazy confused, and really need to get this drive working in Windows again.

That makes no sense.

I know, there are a long list of things about this mess that do not make any sense.
 

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
You probably shouldn't have tried PM8, it's ancient at this point and probably has no idea what happened to your partition table.

He should have used Gparted.
 

TheStu

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Originally posted by: Nothinman
You probably shouldn't have tried PM8, it's ancient at this point and probably has no idea what happened to your partition table.

He should have used Gparted.

I used gparted on the drive in the first place, that was what ended me up in this place. And what would I have done with gparted anyway?
 

Nothinman

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It was what my friend recommending, he was certain that having it tell the drive to be active would have no ill effects.

Actually if Linux was on the 500G drive as well then this would cause it to stop booting. Most likely PM has code in it that only lets you set 1 partition active so if you change that to the data partition then the partition with GRUB won't be looked at when you try to boot from that drive.
 

TheStu

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Ah, well at this point I am in the process of transferring all my data from the 500GB to my other 2 drives (which seem to have exactly enough space to hold the existing data). Now, I just need to wait for all the data to get from the USB external enclosure, through my MacBook, over ethernet, to the gimped SATA ports on my desktop.
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: TheStu
Well, I followed the instructions on VLC's website to add more stuff to Synaptics. Once I did that, and refreshed 3 times, VLC showed up. I guess I am just more used to Windows or OS X where you go to the website, download a file, and it installs. That method seems easier to me than refreshing a package list to find a file, and then installing it once/if you find it. I could get used to this method, I am just not yet.

I have not tried Rhythmbox yet, as i just got everything up and running.

I will try assigning a letter to the drive in Windows... hopefully that will work. It is seeing the partition, but is not seeing the free space correctly.

The nice thing about synaptic is you don't have to go to a website to get anything. Just typing:

sudo apt-get install vlc

would have done it for you. Or, once you have enabled the universe and multiverse repos, just open synaptic and search for vlc.

And later, you can just type:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

and synaptic will search for updates to every single piece of software on your system and update it. It sure beats going to 100 websites to download 100 updates and applying them all. :)

I tried apt-get, but must have done something wrong. Bear in mind that I am primarily coming from OS X, where one does not need to go to 100 websites to get 100 updates. Apple made software is updated via Software Update, most 3rd party apps use Sparkle, which is an updating system that when you launch the application it will ping a server and let it know if there is an update. A window pops up "A new update is available fo Adium (for example)" "Install, Remind Later, Ignore" If you hit install, the window changes into a progress bar, once the download is finished, you just hit Install and Relaunch. Takes all of 30 seconds.

For those applications that do not have Sparkle, I have an app called AppFresh that will search through every app on my system, determine if they need updates, and if yes, will automatically download them.

So, VLC was a pain in the ass as compared to the other 2 OSes that I primarily use, Windows and OS X. And I think it could be considered a slight pain in the ass as compared to how it could have worked had everything already been set up. So, unfamiliarity, in addition to the annoyance of my 500GB drive not working correctly, and my tiredness all exacorbated the situation. I prefer to not have to much about in Terminal anymore than I have to, call me a Luddite, but I think that it is the 21st century and therefore I shouldn't need to use a CLI to install a media player.

Before I install anything I generally do a sudo apt-get update then install what packages I wish to install. Also did you open all of your repositories? This site is great for getting some of the non free stuff working for video and audio playback.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu if you didn't know about it already.

 

TheStu

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Ok, so, after a very long period of time spent transferring the files I am ready to wipe my 500GB drive and start over.

Now, let's say that I wanted to, be insane, and try Ubuntu again. What is the best course of action if I wanted a native install?

Should I unplug my other 2 drives, format and partition the 500GB via the LiveCD and then fiddle with Grub?

I would probably give Ubuntu 20-30GB since I do not forsee using it that much, and then the rest of the drive would remain as video storage.

Would it be best to have Ubuntu format the remainder FAT32 and then use Windows to reformat it NTFS, or should I just leave it as unpartitioned space and format it via Windows?
 

accguy9009

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I had the same issue recently when I incorrectly set up my partitions for a failed
Ubuntu installation. Nothing I tried would un-gray the tab I needed to assign a drive letter. I ended up
using a live DVD of Mandriva 2009 to move the files to another drive. I used wipe drive to wipe the drive
then reformatted and all was good. Much hassle and time wasted but in the end all was good. Now I just use
Virtual Box to get my nix fix and all is well.
 

blackangst1

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/wince

Maybe I wont try dual booting....I read to many stories like this. I know last time I tried to install onto a partition Linux stole the entire drive. I spent 36 hours with a disk recovery console getting everything back lol

Thanks for the trip down your experience road it helps noobs like me.