So.... good shoot?

[Younigue]

And I was unaware that the shooter’s head was somehow immune from a head injury.

A lot of things can cause unintentional death but the murderer meant to kill that guy!

You're such a fu*king moron!

 

[Younigue]

Don't you support abortion too?

Yup but they're fetuses and not viable life forms.

 

[Younigue]

You don't understand. He simply has concerns.










(a lot of concerns)

So deep his concern.

 

[Younigue]

Don't you support abortion too?

Oh and there's no surprise that you made this argument, it's because you're stupid.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I deny that it's relevant to the topic at hand. It's diversion. It's just not what happened.

I see from the video that a person got pushed to the ground over pavement and provided links to stories where under similar circumstances, the person pushed to the ground died of head injuries.

It is relevant because the person doing the shoving escalated the situation by assaulting the shooter.

 

[Lanyap]

Left out a Huge part, Drejka had done this before (not shot someone). Where does that fit in?

Yeah, it seems like a big part of the story to leave out. Although the incident itself isn't really what the article is addressing, he seems to be framing the story incorrectly in order to make his case against the law itself.

You can say that we have two parts to this incident. We have the previous and immediate actions surrounding and impacting the incident like the shooter hanging around the store initiating conflict and carrying a handgun that does not seem to factor into the SYG law. Then you have the long term affect which is going after the SYG law to change/repeal it. Romano and the sheriff are going after the law. Others are going after charging the shooter for killing McGlockton.

I still believe the shooting should be considered premeditation and hope that the AG will file charges and bring it to court and that lawmakers will eventually change the law. In the mean time I guess I need to carry my Sabre tear gas/pepper/dye defense sprayer in case I have to defend myself or my family. I already gave one to my daughter who is in college here in Florida. This incident is also a reminder to keep calm in situations like this and not to fuel the rage. It's not worth dying over.

 

[Younigue]

I see from the video that a person got pushed to the ground over pavement and provided links to stories where under similar circumstances, the person pushed to the ground died of head injuries.

It is relevant because the person doing the shoving escalated the situation by assaulting the shooter.

The shooter escalated the situation by harassing someone you stupid fu*k. He could have reported that woman. Gotten her license plate number and called the authorities. Right there, that he didn't do that but instead chose to harass someone while carrying a gun is some premeditated shit.

Stop being a piece of shit your whole life!

 

[Paratus]

I see from the video that a person got pushed to the ground over pavement and provided links to stories where under similar circumstances, the person pushed to the ground died of head injuries.

It is relevant because the person doing the shoving escalated the situation by assaulting the shooter.

And finally once the guy who got shoved went for his weapon the guy who shoved him would have been legally able to shoot him under stand your ground.

In a SYG state the quickest draw is legally right.

 

[OCNewbie]

And finally once the guy who got shoved went for his weapon the guy who shoved him would have been legally able to shoot him under stand your ground.

I don't think that's true, because the black guy had committed a crime by shoving the other dude. You can't claim SYG if the situation was brought on by a crime you committed.

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't think that's true, because the black guy had committed a crime by shoving the other dude. You can't claim SYG if the situation was brought on by a crime you committed.

Tell that to the drug dealers who've use SYG to avoid prosecution.

 

[OCNewbie]

Tell that to the drug dealers who've use SYG to avoid prosecution.

Do you have an example?

Anyway, it's true though. You cannot be in the commission of a felony and claim SYG.

Edit: I found an article. Sounds like the definition of "criminal activity" is up to interpretation, so it's somewhat on a case-by-case basis if there's any question about the person claiming SYG having been the instigator.

"Although it does not apply if the defendant is committing a crime, the law does not define criminal activity and courts have differed on their interpretations of the statute."

https://www.tampabay.com/news/court...ound-to-avoid-charges-in-two-killings/1235650

 

[umbrella39]

I don't think that's true, because the black guy had committed a crime by shoving the other dude. You can't claim SYG if the situation was brought on by a crime you committed.

To that end the GF who is an RN and could be a credible witness could simply say he was threatening her and her kids... He has made threats before to someone in that parking spot... I'm betting that whether he did or not that will soon be on the table and used against him if possible...

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yup but they're fetuses and not viable life forms.

There's far more blood on your hands than there is on mine.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And finally once the guy who got shoved went for his weapon the guy who shoved him would have been legally able to shoot him under stand your ground.

In a SYG state the quickest draw is legally right.

Yes, and the fact that we even need to have this conversation is absurd.

I see it as two seperate issues.

What kind of society do we live in where shoving someone to the ground is the appropriate response to a verbal altercation?

What kind of society do we live in where we even need to have SYG laws?

The shover was wrong for escalating and the shooter was wrong to pull the trigger once there was no longer an immediate threat.

 

[Younigue]

There's far more blood on your hands than there is on mine.

Stay the Fu*k out of my body mother fu*ker! Until you can carry a pregnancy shut the Fu*k up. You don't have a right to an opinion on the matter. What you get to do you piece of shit is ensure you don't impregnate women. That is how YOU can prevent abortion. You are such a complete Fu*king moron. You are willing/accepting of killing living, breathing human beings with personalities who are wanted and loved. Who have a future if you don't grenade them. Why the Fu*k do you want to spend every day of your life being ugly as shit? Dumb as shit? And a traitor by defending a traitor? You're a failure and a disease taj. Your insides are nothing but shit and bile.

 

[Younigue]

Yes, and the fact that we even need to have this conversation is absurd.

I see it as two seperate issues.

What kind of society do we live in where shoving someone to the ground is the appropriate response to a verbal altercation?

What kind of society do we live in where we even need to have SYG laws?

The shover was wrong for escalating and the shooter was wrong to pull the trigger once there was no longer an immediate threat.

NEED to have SYG? Well Fu*k how the hell do the States that don't have it manage with out it?

Pushing in this case would have been manslaughter without intent to kill if the old murderous Fu*k had died from it.

You're a shit person.

 

[Younigue]

Stay the Fu*k out of my body mother fu*ker! Until you can carry a pregnancy shut the Fu*k up. You don't have a right to an opinion on the matter. What you get to do you piece of shit is ensure you don't impregnate women. That is how YOU can prevent abortion. You are such a complete Fu*king moron. You are willing/accepting of killing living, breathing human beings with personalities who are wanted and loved. Who have a future if you don't grenade them. Why the Fu*k do you want to spend every day of your life being ugly as shit? Dumb as shit? And a traitor by defending a traitor? You're a failure and a disease taj. Your insides are nothing but shit and bile.

Might want to correct that @imported_tajmahal , you liked my post by mistake.

 

[Ichinisan]

...

Also, what gives him the right to enforce the law? That's not his job and because he took it upon himself someone is now dead and a family now has no father or husband. If he had made a phone call this would have never happened. This is his fault for taking the law into his own hands.

He was not enforcing the law. He was lawfully expressing his discontent. I can tell someone when they've done something that is shameful and unacceptable. He shouldn't be at risk of death from being pushed down onto the pavement just because he verbally expressed his discontent.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yup but they're fetuses and not viable life forms.

Neither is a newborn infant.

 

[Ichinisan]

The shooter escalated the situation by harassing someone you stupid fu*k. He could have reported that woman. Gotten her license plate number and called the authorities. Right there, that he didn't do that but instead chose to harass someone while carrying a gun is some premeditated shit.

Stop being a piece of shit your whole life!

This is so wrong. The authorities don't even want you to report shit like a person parked in a handicap space. Someone needs to tell them that shameful behavior doesn't go unnoticed. If they become self concious, they are less likely to keep doing it.

 

[CZroe]

“I didn’t do anything wrong.”

Uhh... really?

Also, why does the OP and several posters say “husband” if they weren’t married?

 

[Paratus]

He was not enforcing the law. He was lawfully expressing his discontent. I can tell someone when they've done something that is shameful and unacceptable. He shouldn't be at risk of death from being pushed down onto the pavement just because he verbally expressed his discontent.

From another point of view he was an armed stranger who began to verbally acost a woman and her kids with enough rage that it caused on-lookers to run into the store to inform management about the altercation.

He has no right to disturb the peace. And if I see someone threatening my family I’m inserting my self between them and him.

In fact, since police are taught to assume both parties are armed in any altercation it would be reasonable to assume he’s armed (which he was) and fear for my life and the life of my family.

If it’s Florida and I’m armed I can legally shoot him under those circumstances.

This father was unarmed so he had to surprise the instigator before he could harm his family. In this point of view he died defending his family from an armed man.

 

[Younigue]

He was not enforcing the law. He was lawfully expressing his discontent. I can tell someone when they've done something that is shameful and unacceptable. He shouldn't be at risk of death from being pushed down onto the pavement just because he verbally expressed his discontent.

Bullshit! He was confronting people while armed. Fu*k you!

 

[Younigue]

Neither is a newborn infant.

Outside of the womb? You're damn straight they are you Fu*king idiot!

 

[Younigue]

This is so wrong. The authorities don't even want you to report shit like a person parked in a handicap space. Someone needs to tell them that shameful behavior doesn't go unnoticed. If they become self concious, they are less likely to keep doing it.

It's their job to keep people orderly. The murderer was not being orderly given that he was armed while confronting someone you piece of shit. Who gives a fu*k if the authorities don't want it reported. If taking handicap parking spots has become so egregious it's lethal the authorities better start fu*king caring. How are you this much of a piece of shit?