So, for the record, everyone knows that every state has a safe haven law - right?

[Knowing]

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/17/baby-found-on-fire-in-new-jersey-has-died

PEMBERTON TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) — Authorities say a baby that was found on fire in the middle of a residential road outside a southern New Jersey home has died from its injuries.
Investigators have not yet released details about the exact location or what happened.
Police were called to the scene in Pemberton Township, about 30 miles east of Philadelphia, around 11 p.m. Friday. Officers found the baby on fire and quickly doused the flames, but the child suffered severe burns and was taken to a hospital.
Burlington County Prosecutor Robert Bernardi said Saturday the child has died.
The baby's name, gender and age were not immediately disclosed. The prosecutor says his office will release more information later Saturday.

Here's an org dedicated to safe haven in NJ

 

[Moonbeam]

Generally speaking, I think, such murders are done by the male partner of the mother as a means of getting even with her for something. They want to do what they do, not give up the child for others to care for. Next on the list, I think, would be parents who have extreme cases of self hate where their failure to properly care for a child makes the child difficult to deal with. Such parents may kill such a child thinking it is the reason they are failures and making them feel that feeling. The desire to kill is the first thing we feel when something puts us in touch with our real feelings. Again, here too, the parents aren't actually doing rational thinking.

 

[Double Trouble]

That's just disturbing.

 

[Atreus21]

"Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you."

Isaiah 49:15

May God keep this child, and forgive this woman.

 

[Jaskalas]

May God keep this child, and forgive this woman.

Yes... may god forgive her, for I shall not.

 

[BoberFett]

Generally speaking, I think, such murders are done by the male partner of the mother as a means of getting even with her for something.

Oh good, our favorite shitstain is here to remind everyone what a dunce he is.

 

[MustISO]

everyone seems to know about the law except for the scumbags who do this kind of crap.

 

[Fenixgoon]

that's just fucking depressing. what the hell is wrong with people?

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh good, our favorite shitstain is here to remind everyone what a dunce he is.

Yes, but not so here you could reach out and kill me other than attempting to with words. I have a right to express the truth, but I'm not stupid. I may think you're a one eyed jack, but I seen other side of your face.

 

[Moonbeam]

that's just fucking depressing. what the hell is wrong with people?

When people are exposed to profound and traumatic negative impacts as children and made to feel they deserve it they internalize and suppress this feeling. When conditions occur later in life that trigger these feelings and threaten to make them conscious, insanity is the result. We have all experienced this and are terrified ourselves of reliving these feelings so we react with similar insanity against those who act them out. We live under a state of control and when those controls break down there's hell to pay. Given the right conditions we can see the outbreak of mass psychosis like what we saw in Nazi Germany where the repressed hatred of a whole nation turned on a minority group. Knowing the dynamics and psychotherapy can produce immunity to this disease. People simply have no idea at all what they really feel. It's the last thing they want to know.

 

[Humpy]

...The desire to kill is the first thing we feel when something puts us in touch with our real feelings...

Link?

 

[Moonbeam]

Link?

I am the link. I would imagine, however, that I am not alone.

Edit:

Took about a minute to find this:

http://www.toddlertime.com/dx/borderline/bpd-kernberg.htm

Read it carefully.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Oh good, our favorite shitstain is here to remind everyone what a dunce he is.

Tired of going 1 on 1 with Moonbeam? What does it feel like to have your ass handed to you in a battle of intellect?

 

[lopri]

I have no idea how this relates to Safe Haven laws? Did the woman choose to set fire to her own dwelling in order to kill a newborn after failed attempts at self-abortion or something?

There are no details, even speculated, to make any kind of connection to the fire and whatever the OP imagines from the news report. What comes to mind is the saying "You only see what you want to see."

 

[Knowing]

Generally speaking, I think, such murders are done by the male partner of the mother as a means of getting even with her for something.

Incorrect. Neonatal filicide is mostly committed by women as is the majority of child abuse. Fathers are "about equally" likely to kill an infant, but more likely to kill a child over one year. Revenge filicide is the least common kind of filicide.

I have no idea how this relates to Safe Haven laws? Did the woman choose to set fire to her own dwelling in order to kill a newborn after failed attempts at self-abortion or something?

There are no details, even speculated, to make any kind of connection to the fire and whatever the OP imagines from the news report. What comes to mind is the saying "You only see what you want to see."

Newborns don't end up on fire in the middle of the road without help. If it was the result of an accident that would be obvious. If you want to be rid of a newborn, the easiest way is safe haven. [full stop]

Also, there are more details. (brace yourselves)

 

[Moonbeam]

Incorrect. Neonatal filicide is mostly committed by women as is the majority of child abuse. Fathers are "about equally" likely to kill an infant, but more likely to kill a child over one year. Revenge filicide is the least common kind of filicide.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2002/03/when_parents_kill.html:

"The Motives
The same studies that have been used to prove that murderous mothers are "sick" can as readily be used to support the theory that both mothers and fathers consider children to be a woman's property. Social science research and FBI crime statistics show that men and women differ in the reasons they kill their children, in the methods they employ, and in the ways they behave following such murders. None of this data proves that fathers are crazier than mothers. Much of it suggests that we all simply believe children "belong" to their moms.


Researchers, building on the work of Phillip Resnick, have shown that women tend to kill their own offspring for one of several reasons: because the child is unwanted; out of mercy; as a result of some mental illness in the mother; in retaliation against a spouse; as a result of abuse. Frequent themes are that they themselves deserved to be punished, that killing the children would be an altruistic or loving act, or that children need to be "erased" in order to save or preserve a relationship. Contrast this with the reasons men kill their children: Most frequently—like Garcia or Soltys—they kill because they feel they have lost control over their finances, or their families, or the relationship, or out of revenge for a perceived slight or infidelity. The consistent idea is that women usually kill their children either because they are angry at themselves or because they want to destroy that which they created, whereas more often than not, men kill their children to get back at a woman—to take away what she most cherishes.


According to a recent article by Elizabeth Fernandez in the San Francisco Chronicle, studies further reveal that fathers are far more likely to commit suicide after killing their children. Mothers attempt post-filicide suicide but rarely succeed. Some scholars suggest this is because mothers tend to view their children as mere extensions of themselves and that these homicides are in fact suicidal."

My point was that you were looking at filicide as if it were simply a matter of knowing that a parent can give up his or her child to the state, as if these kinds of parents were rational beings using logic to make such decisions, that if the information that safe haven laws exist the practice might cease. My point was that such murders are psychologically complex and based on irrational feelings hugely correlated to self esteem and these are the issues that need fixing.

 

[Subyman]

I've read a lot of disturbing stories and I never thought there would be one that could top everything I've seen and read. This is up there with the worst of them. Truly terrible.

 

[BoberFett]

Tired of going 1 on 1 with Moonbeam? What does it feel like to have your ass handed to you in a battle of intellect?

Incorrect. Neonatal filicide is mostly committed by women as is the majority of child abuse. Fathers are "about equally" likely to kill an infant, but more likely to kill a child over one year. Revenge filicide is the least common kind of filicide.

Hey JediYoda, do you feel stupid yet? Pull Moonies cock out of your both and try reading the links Knowing provided.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hey JediYoda, do you feel stupid yet? Pull Moonies cock out of your both and try reading the links Knowing provided.

I gave my answer to Knowing in post 16. Knowing tried to rebut a point I hadn't tried to make. Again, my intention was to say that disseminating knowledge about surrender laws, while a good thing, isn't what will stop this kind of sickening murder.

I did not even bother to refute the mercy killing of children as having anything whatsoever to do with any feelings of mercy and in fact a bald faced self deception to deceive the self of ones desire to use violent solutions.

You can have being smarter than me. I'll settle for being right.

 

[Atreus21]

Yes... may god forgive her, for I shall not.

Me neither, frankly.