So Dragon Age 2 is really bad on the PC and consolized?

[gothamhunter]

I would wager money that had the engine and look of the game pretty much stayed the same with minor tweaks people would be whining and moaning about how it's essentially a large expansion pack or some other nonsense. Look into your heart, you know it to be true.

This

I already stated it before, but yeah, I agree

 

[JoshGuru7]

I think one thing is clear there were people in Bioware that did not like the direction DA2 was going,I quote my earlier post by Brent Knowles,

I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience,which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play.

Different people like different sorts of games. What's the relevation here? I loved ME2 and I'm perfectly content with Bioware producing games that aren't BG2 clones.

Bioware may of got the game they wanted but its clear the reaction from gamers and even some of their ex-developers it is far from what they wanted.

Seriously, who cares? What should matter is if the game is fun and worth what they are charging for it. Maybe the answer is no for you and yes for me, or vice versa. All I've seen in this thread are highly subjective opinions other than a couple posts about crashes. Maybe you are disappointed that you can't outfit your companions, but that is hardly a preference you can generalize to the entire gaming population.

 

[Mem]

This

I already stated it before, but yeah, I agree

If you are asking me to decide between ,

I would wager money that had the engine and look of the game pretty much stayed the same with minor tweaks people would be whining and moaning about how it's essentially a large expansion pack or some other nonsense. Look into your heart, you know it to be true.

or dumbed down game ie DA2 , its a no brainer I take quote above over dumbed down game.

Truth is we all have different expectations,I have played virtually all RPGs out there,did I expect more from DA2 yes I did.

 

[JoshGuru7]

I know there is a bunch of people who love oversimplification and are all for the changes here. You are the same group who thought Mass Effect 2 was an improvement. The same group that doesn't understand or can't complete Baldur's Gate. You aren't gamers, you are fat, lazy movie watchers. I wish you'd go back to your own medium. I curse the day that video games became mainstream and the lazy ass mainstream became gamers.

Interesting. I think there may in fact be a difference in physical fitness and worth ethic between people who prefer tactical RPGs and those who prefer action RPGs, but it's likely the opposite of what you're suggesting here. This is like the D&D player calling the monopoly player a nerd.

 

[Mem]

JoshGuru7 I don't know why you keep bringing up armour part,its clear DA2 has lot of other things wrong with it but you like many others are too focus on armour part that people are going on about.

Why do we care about DA2?..we pay for a game and expect a certain standard from Bioware(I don't expect their standard to drop).

 

[Gheris]

I'm feeling kind of stupid for pre-ordering this right now. Who would think there'd be a day that I'd regret pre-ordering a Bioware game.

I know there is a bunch of people who love oversimplification and are all for the changes here. You are the same group who thought Mass Effect 2 was an improvement. The same group that doesn't understand or can't complete Baldur's Gate. You aren't gamers, you are fat, lazy movie watchers. I wish you'd go back to your own medium. I curse the day that video games became mainstream and the lazy ass mainstream became gamers. Least Common Denominator hits a new low with every game, soon the only skill required will be drooling on yourself.

Here is hoping I'll at least be able to stay interested in DA2 long enough to finish it, unlike ME2.

I was right there is a new age of RPG snobbery. People are entitled to their opinions, however making blanket statements about people who like a particular game just makes you look bad.

I loved DAO and so far I am loving DA2, what does that make me? I also finished all of the Baldur's Gate games, but stopped at the Throne of Baal expansion...think their was another after that. Heck I played through the eBook that was Planescape Torment. I feel that ME2 was more of an improvemenr than a dumbing down.

Let me know where I land oh oracle of RPG uber...ness.

 

[Phokus]

Haha, DA2 (PC version) currently has a user score of 3.1/10 and a professional critic review of 84/100

PS3 and Xbox360 are almost as bad (both less than 4 on the user score)

Talk about disconnect

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-ii

 

[darkewaffle]

Haha, DA2 (PC version) currently has a user score of 3.1/10 and a professional critic review of 84/100

PS3 and Xbox360 are almost as bad (both less than 4 on the user score)

Talk about disconnect

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-ii

People who feel like they wasted their money are a lot more vocal than people who feel like they got their money's worth

It's just like Newegg reviews.

 

[JoshGuru7]

JoshGuru7 I don't know why you keep bringing up armour part,its clear DA2 has lot of other things wrong with it but you like many others are too focus on armour part that people are going on about. Why do we care about DA2?..we pay for a game and expect a certain standard from Bioware(I don't expect their standard to drop).

Everything that you have mentioned falls into the same category for me - a highly subjective opinion about what you want in a game based largely on game genre. How persuaded would you feel about a negative review of DA:O that said it wasn't enough like a first person shooter? The only complaints I've read that are independent of genre are that the cross-class combinations can be overpowered and the environments are repetitive.

 

[Mem]

People who feel like they wasted their money are a lot more vocal than people who feel like they got their money's worth

It's just like Newegg reviews.

I don't feel I wasted my money on DA2(I got a good deal on Signature version),I do CARE about RPGs and the way they are heading.

 

[Anteaus]

People who feel like they wasted their money are a lot more vocal than people who feel like they got their money's worth

It's just like Newegg reviews.

True, which is why these numbers are meaningless right now. Considering the game hasn't even been out 2 days, I'd be hard pressed to believe any of these reviews are anything more than snap judgements based on emotion. I doubt many of them played the game, let alone actually beat it.

 

[child of wonder]

Played the game for about 3 hours last night and am enjoying it so far. Personally, as a father of two that gets only a few hours a week to play anything, it's nice that immense amounts of time and attention aren't required to enjoy the game.

Back when I was 18, spending 12+ hours a day playing games meant I could get way into the game.

 

[Mem]

Everything that you have mentioned falls into the same category for me - a highly subjective opinion about what you want in a game based largely on game genre. How persuaded would you feel about a negative review of DA:O that said it wasn't enough like a first person shooter? The only complaints I've read that are independent of genre are that the cross-class combinations can be overpowered and the environments are repetitive.

First I thought DAO was a decent game(I stated that already) however if some people did not like it then fair enough its their opinion ,second everybody including you is entitled to their opinion,I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,just saying what I feel about DA2 and the way its heading.

I'll still support Bioware(I must have all their retail games) even when I think they should of done better with DA2.

End of the day we all have different opinions and expectations,I expect more from DA3 (only time will tell on that).

Btw I never said it was a bad game(I'll give my full opinion on that once I have fully completed it) however there are things I don't like in the game and do feel their standards have dropped, we won't go over those again.

 

[exar333]

I am debating returning my pre-order that I have not had a chance to pick-up yet. It seems they changed the things I liked about DA:O (art style, tactical view, items) and didn't neccessarily address the big issues like gameplay imbalance and fully-customizable characters in your party.

 

[Anteaus]

First I thought DAO was a decent game(I stated that already) however if some people did not like it then fair enough its their opinion ,second everybody including you is entitled to their opinion,I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,just saying what I feel about DA2 and the way its heading.

I'll still support Bioware(I must have all their retail games) even when I think they should of done better with DA2.

End of the day we all have different opinions,I expect more from DA3 (only time will tell on that).

This. Even on a bad day, Bioware develops products far superior than the average fluff out there. DA2 isn't perfect, but overall its a very good and the fact that people want to punch Bioware in the nose over things like this is counterproductive. In my opinion, Bioware is up there with Blizzard. They might not hit a homerun everytime, but I have never not gotten my money's worth in production value.

Feel free to have your opinions. It is your money after all. Just remember that these are just games and when you bring such raw emotion to the table over what many consider to be trivial things, it reflects badly on your character and your priorities as a human being.

If these games really make up such a large part of your life where you feel personally and directly betrayed by a game company because they didn't put feature X in game Y, then it might be time to take a step back.

 

[Mem]

This. Even on a bad day, Bioware develops products far superior than the average fluff out there. DA2 isn't perfect, but overall its a very good and the fact that people want to punch Bioware in the nose over things like this is counterproductive. In my opinion, Bioware is up there with Blizzard. They might not hit a homerun everytime, but I have never not gotten my money's worth in production value.

Feel free to have your opinions. It is your money after all. Just remember that these are just games and when you bring such raw emotion to the table over what many consider to be trivial things, it reflects badly on your character and your priorities as a human being.

If these games really make up such a large part of your life where you feel personally and directly betrayed by a game company because they didn't put feature X in game Y, then it might be time to take a step back.

I will say everybody so far has been polite so we are having a good debate/DA2 discussion unlike the video forums .

 

[Gheris]

True, which is why these numbers are meaningless right now. Considering the game hasn't even been out 2 days, I'd be hard pressed to believe any of these reviews are anything more than snap judgements based on emotion. I doubt many of them played the game, let alone actually beat it.

Yes those who dislike the game are letting it be known, even though I doubt they have beaten the game or played nearly as much as reviewers do. Meanwhile those who like the game are actually playing it.

 

[skace]

I was right there is a new age of RPG snobbery. People are entitled to their opinions, however making blanket statements about people who like a particular game just makes you look bad.

I loved DAO and so far I am loving DA2, what does that make me? I also finished all of the Baldur's Gate games, but stopped at the Throne of Baal expansion...think their was another after that. Heck I played through the eBook that was Planescape Torment. I feel that ME2 was more of an improvemenr than a dumbing down.

Let me know where I land oh oracle of RPG uber...ness.

I really don't care about being PC anymore. You basically just told me you like everything, congrats. And I'm not an RPG snob, I'm an elitist gamer asshole, if anything. I like my FPS games fast and furious (Quake), I like my action games difficult and punishing (Devil May Cry), I like my RPG games full of hard decisions, group management, tactics and exploration (Baldur's Gate).

For the record, I "like" ME2 and I'll probably "like" DA2, I just won't love them. I also "like" Desktop Dungeons, except it was free.

 

[zerocool84]

DA2 reviews are not even close to being as good as 1 was. Inventory and lack of variety in what you experience seem to be the biggest issues.

 

[skace]

If these games really make up such a large part of your life where you feel personally and directly betrayed by a game company because they didn't put feature X in game Y, then it might be time to take a step back.

Actually, it is quite the opposite. When I had all the time in the world to play video games, I'd accept failure and mediocrity a lot easier. Now that my time is busier, I've become much more of a critic. Because the smaller time I spend gaming, I want to spend having an amazing experience and not a mediocre one.

Basically, the real critics are the ones that have stepped back. Those that can overlook every shortfall and flaw most likely are in too deep and are willing to accept any failure as long as they get their fix.

I'm not knocking either side of it. There are days where I still wish I could spend all weekend playing the next huge RPG.

 

[KaOTiK]

I think one of the big reasons for the uproar about this too is (I'm sure someone else said it but I haven't read much of the thread) is that, with so very very few BG2 type RPG's to even come out now, losing one is a real kick in the nuts. In the past, if one failed or or went in a totally different direction there was a dozen more to take its spot so it wasn't issue.

Personally I am not happy, I love oldschool RPGs and not these new action games with some dialog and stats thrown in now. While they are fun they aren't the same experience at all. That is fine for those who love the new ones. Those of you saying you are glad it is simplified don't have as much time to play a long drawn out deep RPG, my question is why do we need to change one of the few out there to cater to what you want while there are plenty that fit you bill perfectly already.

Those of us that like the older style have nearly no options so we get pissed when we lose what little we have. If you weren't interested in these type of games before due to the complexity/time/whatever it takes to get into them, no one was forcing you to get it, you could of just gotten another game that has similar qualities that fits your needs as the selection is much more plentiful for you.

This is like taking Starcraft and making it into Company of Heroes. Sure both, RTS, but totally different.

 

[gothamhunter]

I think one of the big reasons for the uproar about this too is (I'm sure someone else said it but I haven't read much of the thread) is that, with so very very few BG2 type RPG's to even come out now, losing one is a real kick in the nuts. In the past, if one failed or or went in a totally different direction there was a dozen more to take its spot so it wasn't issue.

Personally I am not happy, I love oldschool RPGs and not these new action games with some dialog and stats thrown in now. While they are fun they aren't the same experience at all. That is fine for those who love the new ones. Those of you saying you are glad it is simplified don't have as much time to play a long drawn out deep RPG, my question is why do we need to change one of the few out there to cater to what you want while there are plenty that fit you bill perfectly already.

Those of us that like the older style have nearly no options so we get pissed when we lose what little we have. If you weren't interested in these type of games before due to the complexity/time/whatever it takes to get into them, no one was forcing you to get it, you could of just gotten another game that has similar qualities that fits your needs as the selection is much more plentiful for you.

This is like taking Starcraft and making it into Company of Heroes. Sure both, RTS, but totally different.

A very good, valid point. You are seeing more Kingdom Hearts style RPG's than old school FF's or DQ/DW's, Baldur's Gates, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, NWN, etc...

Soon all we'll have left are the memories of them.. :'(

 

[NoSoup4You]

I'm 6 hours in, so far the game is fantastic. It's HARD too, which I really like. DAO on Nightmare was like swiss cheese compared to this. It remains to be seen whether it'll hold up through the rest of the game but so far so good.

I poured over 200 hours in the original Dragon Age, DA2 is worthy and awesome.

 

[Mem]

A very good, valid point. You are seeing more Kingdom Hearts style RPG's than old school FF's or DQ/DW's, Baldur's Gates, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, NWN, etc...

Soon all we'll have left are the memories of them.. :'(

We have to voice our opinions and let them know,keeping quiet does no good,only way to change things is to let them know.

 

[Liet]

I feel dumb for pre-ordering now. I really didn't Bioware to fuck me over with a bait-and-switch.

Wow.