So can we finally say that OWS accomplished nothing?

[Jaskalas]

OWS was instrumental in getting the politicians and media off the destructive push for austerity.

That fight will never end.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The Tea Party movement led to us getting a credit downgrade. Clearly the joke is on the OWS folks as they only ruined some public (possibly also pubic) areas.

Clearly the joke is that you don't understand the long standing economic and fiscal plight of this nation which lead to the downgrade in our credit worthiness. Of which the Tea Party Movement had very little to do with other than calling into question the Federal government's lack of attempting to deal with the actual matter itself.

Additionally credit rating agencies such as S&P and Moody's have been wholly complicit in pandering to the Federal government and the Federal reserve in being way to lenient in underscoring the actual plight of our situation much to the benefit of those who believe government spending and debt incursion is not occurring at a fast enough rate despite the overwhelming evidence of dimishing returns and moral hazards of creating yet another bubble to eventually implode.

 

[88keys]

Funny, it seems to me that everyone supported fraud as long as we were talking about no doc home loans, interest only loans and other bullshit that enabled the financial shenanigans.

Oh that's right, everyone figured money was free so why not get their piece.

The American consumer was entirely complicit. They may not have known what was going on behind the scenes, but they didn't care. Free money.



You look good in tin foil.

But you look better in wool.


People being ignorant of something and supporting something are two entirely different things .

 

[DucatiMonster696]

This is OWS.

Why are you upset? This woman wanted more government and she got it.

 

[BoberFett]

But you look better in wool.


People being ignorant of something and supporting something are two entirely different things .

Ignorance is not a defense. If people are too stupid and greedy to wonder why all of a sudden they can get nearly free money while homes are appreciating to stratospheric heights and don't stop to consider the ramifications, they deserve what's coming to them.

 

[shortylickens]

Ignorance is not a defense. If people are too stupid and greedy to wonder why all of a sudden they can get nearly free money while homes are appreciating to stratospheric heights and don't stop to consider the ramifications, they deserve what's coming to them.

Thats my biggest complaint. Way too many people never had basic economics in high school and not enough have gone to college, or paid attention in college.
And not nearly enough bother to educate themselves with online lessons.

Theres a buttload of grad students who make lectures and post them to youtube. Thats helped me understand calculus, economics, accounting, biology, chemistry, and Spanish.
And its free.

I understand getting credits and a degree for the work force, but for general knowledge theres nothing wrong with the internet.
Mostly you just need to learn not to listen to pundits and politicians and journalists, and comedians like Jon Stewart. He's a nice guy but he's not a professor.

 

[Thump553]

Is that how you cope with denial? Here's a clue: to accomplish something, you have to have a vision, a plan, and path to get there.

Not doing anything productive regarding those three and then chalking it up to "police state" or some other such platitude only demonstrates your delusion.

I nominate this for post of the month.

OWS showed us, if nothing else, that the hippie ideals of the sixties aren't completely dead. Unfortunately, they also showed us those ideals remain totally uneffectively politically.

 

[Hugo Drax]

What happened to the 500,000 USD they collected?

 

[cubby1223]

OWS helped write the Batman screenplay. That was an accomplishment.

Otherwise it was meh. I'm glad to see the general plan of "annoy other people until they give me money" failed.

And if I have the wrong impression of what OWS was all about, then they had a problem projecting a better image of themselves.

 

[waggy]

What happened to the 500,000 USD they collected?

someone made it to the 1%

 

[OverVolt]

99%'er was coined by them. Thats about it. Gen Y is overall getting screwed over. We won't be getting SS but we pay into it. That type of thing. Most Gen Y are oblivious or just think it is some kind of personal flaw and they have to try harder to make it.

 

[nextJin]

The Tea Party movement led to us getting a credit downgrade. Clearly the joke is on the OWS folks as they only ruined some public (possibly also pubic) areas.

What the fuck?

The difference was night and day between the two and blaming the tea party for pointing out the elephant in the room just to have Moodys then downgrade the country is a bit absurd. This is the same company that gave us AAA ratings during the Bush Administration and during the recession.

Unlike the Occupy movement the TP actually has a voice and constituents because they have a coherent message. You will never see a OWS politician because "fuck you give us the richs money" won't win elections because it's insanity.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I don't know.

Hey, conservatards, do you believe that OWS was orchestrated by Obama, as was conservative talk's drumbeat?
If not, you might have learned something.

 

[Ausm]

Funny, it seems to me that everyone supported fraud as long as we were talking about no doc home loans, interest only loans and other bullshit that enabled the financial shenanigans.

Oh that's right, everyone figured money was free so why not get their piece.

The American consumer was entirely complicit. They may not have known what was going on behind the scenes, but they didn't care. Free money.



You look good in tin foil.

Pot meet Kettle? :whiste:

 

[halik]

I don't know.

Hey, conservatards, do you believe that OWS was orchestrated by Obama, as was conservative talk's drumbeat?
If not, you might have learned something.

Where did you even hear that?

OWS was orchestrated by upper middle class white kids that majored in medieavel poetry and women studies in college*, while their parents paid for all their bills, that later came to find out job-wise they have no tangible skills. Cue in a hard-on from what happened in egypt, because nothing that exciting ever happens in the burbs, and you've got couple hundred of unemployed humanities majors that wanna play out their che-guaverra wet dreams and fight the man.

I would argue that the reason why OWS accomplished nothing is because fundamentally it was just a self-serving cluster@#$ of people whose hobby it is to make it look like they hands-on changing stuff, the weekend revolutionaries. Instead of thinking about policy, how to actually attempt to accomplish meaningful change and influence the process, you yell, clash with cops and resist authority. That gives you instant gratification that you were part of it, you totally pushed that cop, blocked that guy from going to his office and fought the man. Yeah, adrenaline! Totally tahrir square!

And year or two later you can say the reason why you accomplished nothing was "police state" or "system is corrupt" or some such bullshit to delude yourself from the reality of what happened.

* OWS demographics: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/562862-changing-the-subject-2.html
(Predominantly white, >1/3 come from households of income over 6figures)

 

[WackyDan]

It's been like a year now...

Aside from a bunch of criminal records, property damage etc. As far as policy goes, I can't help but to chalk it up to zilch. Even the loony guy with a big sign about greed (or something) by my office is gone now.

Don't forget the OWS guys in Ohio that were arrested attempting/plotting to blow up a bridge. The media never reported on them being Occupy. But yes, good riddance.

 

[Matt1970]

I don't know.

Hey, conservatards, do you believe that OWS was orchestrated by Obama, as was conservative talk's drumbeat?
If not, you might have learned something.

You are just a sad little broken record.

 

[airdata]

Don't forget the OWS guys in Ohio that were arrested attempting/plotting to blow up a bridge. The media never reported on them being Occupy. But yes, good riddance.

It's kinda like black people. You can have some fine upstanding black people over here... and then have some armed robber thugs over there... You want to say they're the same people but in reality they're not.

That's the problem w\ all of the people on the board who run around saying liberal this, liberal that... you're basically racists. Your mindset is that of a racist where you are unable to distinguish actions of different people because it's simply easier to group all of them together and pretend it makes any sense at all to assume they think every single thought alike and do everything the same.

OWS started out as one thing.

People came out of the woodwork to join the movement, and before you know it...there were all sorts of fringe groups out in the mix.

It showed us how inept the police forces are and how they're not ready to handle situations of citizen unrest... it also layed groundwork for the government to more easily squash civil unrest.


We see all of the hypocrite right wing people who were cheering on the police as they gassed and clubbed innocent people including elderly and even pregnant women. We've seen some of these people held accountable because their actions were indeed wrong.

But it looks like we're still in the same shitty situation.

We still have people in the government simply bleeding our economy dry and devaluing our currency.

 

[airdata]

Why are you upset? This woman wanted more government and she got it.

Upset how? Just posting one of many atrocities perpetrated by the police who proved to lack the training and the common sense in their actions.

If you think it's ok for the police to pepper spray a 70+ year old woman, you're a complete piece of shit.

 

[Matt1970]

It's kinda like black people. You can have some fine upstanding black people over here... and then have some armed robber thugs over there... You want to say they're the same people but in reality they're not.

That's the problem w\ all of the people on the board who run around saying liberal this, liberal that... you're basically racists. Your mindset is that of a racist where you are unable to distinguish actions of different people because it's simply easier to group all of them together and pretend it makes any sense at all to assume they think every single thought alike and do everything the same.

You are out of your mind. You make a statement like that and then in the same post accuse anyone of using the term "liberal" as being racist.

 

[waggy]

Where did you even hear that?

OWS was orchestrated by upper middle class white kids that majored in medieavel poetry and women studies in college, while their parents paid for all their bills, that later came to find out job-wise they have no tangible skills. Cue in a hard-on from what happened in egypt, because nothing that exciting ever happens in the burbs, and you've got couple hundred of unemployed humanities majors that wanna play out their che-guaverra wet dreams and fight the man.

I would argue that the reason why OWS accomplished nothing is because fundamentally it was just a self-serving cluster@#$ of people whose hobby it is to make it look like they changing stuff hands, the weekend revolutionaries. Instead of thinking about policy, how to actually attempt to accomplish meaningful change and influence the process, you yell, clash with cops and resist authority. That gives you instant gratification that you were part of it, you totally pushed that cop, blocked that guy from going to his office and fought the man. Yeah, adrenaline! Totally tahrir square!

And year or two later you can say the reason why you accomplished nothing was "police state" or "system is corrupt" or some such bullshit to delude yourself from the reality of what happened.

pretty much dead on.

I kept wondering what the real demands of the OWS was. they never came out with anything tangible. sure they had demands but they were not realistic. At first i was rooting for them. then it got silly and insane.

 

[Matt1970]

pretty much dead on.

I kept wondering what the real demands of the OWS was. they never came out with anything tangible. sure they had demands but they were not realistic. At first i was rooting for them. then it got silly and insane.

"Not Realistic" is putting it mildly.

 

[werepossum]

Why are you upset? This woman wanted more government and she got it.

LOL I was thinking the exact same thing.

I nominate this for post of the month.

OWS showed us, if nothing else, that the hippie ideals of the sixties aren't completely dead. Unfortunately, they also showed us those ideals remain totally uneffectively politically.

Seconded, and yours is a very succinct and accurate summation.

Where did you even hear that?

OWS was orchestrated by upper middle class white kids that majored in medieavel poetry and women studies in college*, while their parents paid for all their bills, that later came to find out job-wise they have no tangible skills. Cue in a hard-on from what happened in egypt, because nothing that exciting ever happens in the burbs, and you've got couple hundred of unemployed humanities majors that wanna play out their che-guaverra wet dreams and fight the man.

I would argue that the reason why OWS accomplished nothing is because fundamentally it was just a self-serving cluster@#$ of people whose hobby it is to make it look like they hands-on changing stuff, the weekend revolutionaries. Instead of thinking about policy, how to actually attempt to accomplish meaningful change and influence the process, you yell, clash with cops and resist authority. That gives you instant gratification that you were part of it, you totally pushed that cop, blocked that guy from going to his office and fought the man. Yeah, adrenaline! Totally tahrir square!

And year or two later you can say the reason why you accomplished nothing was "police state" or "system is corrupt" or some such bullshit to delude yourself from the reality of what happened.

* OWS demographics: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/562862-changing-the-subject-2.html
(Predominantly white, >1/3 come from households of income over 6figures)

A second nomination for post of the month. You, sir, are made of win.

The real danger of our developing entitlement mentality is not among the very poor; it's among these people, predominantly white children of affluent parents. A poor black woman demanding that her child is entitled to go to college is asking for an entitlement that costs relatively little for its potential return to society; a hipster who expects to be given the same affluent lifestyle his parents earned is asking for an entitlement that costs rather a lot for little to no potential return to society. Higher expectations and lower return is far more damaging.

 

[Matt1970]

Why are you upset? This woman wanted more government and she got it.

Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What did OWS actually stand for anyway? I don't think I ever saw anything specific.