So...are all religions arrogant enough to belive that only the true belivers in THEIR particular religion can go to...

[jagec]

Originally posted by: dug777
It is an arrogant belief

By that belief, the kindest, most helpful person in the world would be denied an eternal reward simply because he didn't believe what you believed...

Look up the definition of "arrogance" before trying to deride people for it.

...n00b

 

[Mrfrog840]

so then if jesus was a jew, do only jews go to heaven?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Arrogance has nothing to do with it.

It would seem on the face of it to be incredibly arrogant. They're saying they, & only they are right, to the exclusion of everyone else who disagrees with them...

What is it all about then, if it's not arrogance?

Then the belief in evolution is also arrogance?

Answer my question rather than dodging it & asking me one instead mate

My point is, that's it's merely belief. not arrogance.

so a belief cant be arrogant?

And disbelief can also be arrogant. Arrogance is an attitude.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: dug777
It is an arrogant belief

By that belief, the kindest, most helpful person in the world would be denied an eternal reward simply because he didn't believe what you believed...

Look up the definition of "arrogance" before trying to deride people for it.

...n00b

seems to fit pretty well to me, n00b

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
I hate how certain religions believe this, but we Buddhists do not believe this. You can believe or not believe, but we believe that if you are a "good person" you will go to heaven and vice versa with hell, but unlike Christianity we do not believe that non-believers will go to hell.

I somehow hate how Christianity states how non-believers will go to hell. Then again religion doesn't exactly match up to social standards of today stating tolerance...

So, out of curiosity how do you determine who is a "good" person and who is not? Compared to Stalin or Hitler, the drug dealer down the street is a good person. However, compared to a nun who works in an orphanage, that drug dealer is a bad person.

I also didn't know that Buddhism had a concept of heaven or hell? Is it only a specific sect?

 

[ubercaffeinated]

specifically calvinism? yes. calvinism.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: makoto00
specifically calvinism? yes. calvinism.

interesting..goes to wiki to do some reading

 

[sandorski]

Out of the 3 major religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam only Islam is not exclusive. It believes that Jews and Christians are also Believers, though misguided. Islam really looks down(like Judaism and Christianity) on other Religions though.

 

[Injury]

If a religion believes that there is a certain diety... or dieties, and that worshiping them is the way to salvation, then why would it be accepting of other dieties as means of salvation?

How is it arrogant to believe that only your faith or followings can achieve salvation? I mean, why would believe in something and then think to yourself 'Well, I could be wrong so I should accept other beliefs as true, too.'? Wouldn't be a very strong faith now, would it?

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Arrogance has nothing to do with it.

It would seem on the face of it to be incredibly arrogant. They're saying they, & only they are right, to the exclusion of everyone else who disagrees with them...

What is it all about then, if it's not arrogance?

Then the belief in evolution is also arrogance?

Answer my question rather than dodging it & asking me one instead mate

My point is, that's it's merely belief. not arrogance.

so a belief cant be arrogant?

And disbelief can also be arrogant. Arrogance is an attitude.

If I believe that I am better then everyone else, then that belief is arrogant.

Sorry beliefs can be arrogant.

 

[Crescent13]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Mainstream Christianity is very specific that Jesus Christ is the only way to reach the Father God. That is the religion that I am most skilled in.

Tell it like it is bro! :thumbsup:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
We're all arrogant. If humanity didnt think it was the hottest sh!t since the big bang we wouldnt have survived and flourished like we have.

Evolution FTW baby!!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Arrogance that has been indoctrinated/brainwashed into many since birth. If that makes it any better. But still arrogance.

So has religion.

 

[nakedfrog]

I believe the mormons also believe that a non-believer can go to heaven if they're good enough.
So, no, not all religions, just most of them.

 

[Fraggable]

How would it make sense for a religion to accept many different ways to get to Heaven/nirvana? The fact that it accepts multiple ways woud make it fundamentally flawed.

If you're going to call something arrogant, then you need to call the God/Deity of the religion arrogant. The people who believe the religion don't define it, they simply live it.

 

[waggy]

wich is one of the reasons i have lost faith in the church. i find it hard to believe t hat God would turn away a peson who has lived by the golden rule all thier life. gave to the cummunity ad worked at hard at beinga good person. yet take a child mollester who works in the church.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Arrogance has nothing to do with it.

It would seem on the face of it to be incredibly arrogant. They're saying they, & only they are right, to the exclusion of everyone else who disagrees with them...

What is it all about then, if it's not arrogance?

Well, if they're right, and the other people don't believe them, why should those other people get the same priviledges and blessings when they didn't believe in those priviledges and blessings to begin with? And how is that arrogance?

No religion believes that not everyone has the ability to go to their "particular heaven", but that people who don't follow the necessary requirements will not be granted entrance. That's not arrogance. It's simply following the rules. Is it arrogance for a restuarant to not provide you food if you won't pay? Is it arrogance for a car dealership to refuse a car to those with bad or no credit? No. It's just the rules.

Admission to heaven is open to all. Always has been, always will be. It's the arrogance of the unbeliever that is the problem, not the other way around. (That is not meant to be insulting, so please don't take it that way)

 

[Insane3D]

See HeroOfPellinor. See HeroOfPellinor dodge questions like it's going out of style...

 

[Vic]

It is always arrogrance to insist that others must share your beliefs. Even worse when you insist its for their own good. It does not matter what you or others call your beliefs.

 

[DaShen]

If it is a premise of their faith, what is it to you? It isn't arrogance if they believe that they don't deserve heaven anymore than any other person.

My personal belief is that no one deserves heaven, everyone is screwed up and no one can earn there way to heaven. That is a pretty humbling thought IMO. If you start from there, you will see that all people are screwed up, including yourself. That forces you to not be arrogant. The ones who are arrogant about their beliefs are the zealots who believe they somehow deserve heaven more than anyone else and that they are living the perfect life.

My own personal belief is that the only way to heaven is to accept a free gift from G-d. To accept his forgiveness for being a stupid human being. Too bad people muck up that idea for everyone else by putting themselves above others.

 

[lyssword]

I dont think christians are arrogant. More likely is they are "concerned" about the fact that others *could* go to hell etc.. I think its more of a "fear" than "arrogance".
Thers' my .02

 

[KarmaPolice]

That is one ting that always gets me about religion. They are so firmly believe that their god is right, and thier way of going to heaving is right, and their way of living is right. Naturally they all cant be right.

I was brought up roman catholic but I don't really go to church much anymore. I still believe there is a god, just don't think that each religion has it quite right, and get caught up in the little rules that all seem to create.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: lyssword
I dont think christians are arrogant. More likely is they are "concerned" about the fact that others *could* go to hell etc.. I think its more of a "fear" than "arrogance".
Thers' my .02

It has/had nothing to do with "concern".

I think of it this way.

1. An organization is built by people to survive and thrive
2. If you want something to survive, you have to give people motivation for it to propegate
3. How do you create motivation?


You create an image that your religion will give them "ever lasting life", so that people will want to join. Since any crackpot can say their religion is *the* religion, you also need to deify your words, thus you say they are divinely inspired.

So there you have it, you propegage your faith by saying the word of the deity says you will get everlasting life if you join up. Of course, everybody wants their religions to thrive, so most say something like this, creating a tug-of-war for people and their money, influence, and power.

However, when you think about it, why would you go and buy an ant colony only to keep it around for thousands of years, the whole time zapping 3/4 of it with a death-ray (sun+magnifying glass) and condemning that 3/4 to hell? Would you, as a "loving God" do that?

Would you give the power of absolute forgiveness to 1/4 of the ants and demand that they either convert or kill the other 3/4? Yeah, pretty loving God. Why even build that 3/4, just give your "true believers" the power and let the other 3/4 go?The arrogance and greed of man, regardless of race or religion, is astounding. Everybody pretends to speak for God, but nobody listens.

Personally, I believe that as long as you love a God, you believe in him, and you do right by your family and those around you, and ultimately you acknowledge you are flawed but you live your life loving His creations, you are good to go.

I don't need a fekking building, a book, or some crackpot moron to tell me that above paragraph. All I need is my family, friends, and this awesome place (the universe), that is plenty of evidence to me that whatever God there may be and whatever name a Muslim, Asian, Euro, or anybody else assigns to him, he is great.

 

[cKGunslinger]

I remember the last sermon I ever heard in church. The preacher was talking about other religions and said "We may be surprised at who we seen in heaven. And there will be many people surprised to see us there!"

I think they replaced that preacher soon after. Can't have any idealogy that says other religions might get into heaven, also. :roll:

 

[Legend]

I think the Christians that focus on the New Testament tend to believe that good people of other faiths are exceptions and that all judgement is left to God. It's the judgemental Old Testament pricks that believe otherwise.