So apparently everyone at DICE are homophobics...

[PrincessFrosty]

Of course it is. You don't hear 'getting you C*** sucked' which straight guys enjoy used to mean the same thing, something bad, as gay sex.

Using 'gay' to mean 'bad' reinforces bigotry in the same way and even more than language like saying 'don't be a jew' to mean a stereotype about that group.

'Oh, the game won't even run? That's gay'. No, that's bad. And like the author of the link, people often don't realize it who use it. Gay people I've little doubt do.

You're absolutely right. Gay is used colloquially to mean "bad" and so are words like "Jew".

So when I say "that jew camper is jewing about in the corner" it doesn't mean I actually think he's a Jewish, it's meant to convey he's an asshole. Not everything is meant to be taken literally, those people who are associating or making an equivalence between Gay and bad are being morons, no one is saying they're equivalent, it's a deliberate mis-use of the word to mean something else.

If you don't understand basic things like context you need to go back to school, immediately.

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Also Kotaku are well know for rubbish like this they're trolling for comment hits and impressions on their news pages, no one should be reading tripe like this or posting in their comments, you're just playing right in to their flame-bait.

 

[JAG87]

Oh, so if bigotry is common, it's not bigotry. So if a bunch of KKK bigots say racial epithets, then they're not racial epithets because they're said a lot.

First of all, homosexuality is not a race. It just happens that something common with homosexuals is unpleasant to the vast majority of males. By your standard, simply saying "fuck you" is also homophobic, yet we've been using that one since the dinosaurs.

And US soldiers say much worse derogatory lines during combat. In fact the whole idea of fighting for your country stands on the premise of race vs race (race representing the country you are from), so I don't know where you are trying to go with this. In Iraq, you'll hear an black US soldier call out an insurgent with a racial slur, not because of skin color, but because the other guy is not American. Are you saying he's a bigot because he is fighting for his country and in that moment hates anybody that is not part of it?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Of course it is. You don't hear 'getting you C*** sucked' which straight guys enjoy used to mean the same thing, something bad, as gay sex.

homosexual sex doesn't involve shit pushing, this saying is meant to imply anal rape, which can happen to any human and is something no one wants, and is used to describe a situation in the game where something unpleasant is happening to you that you are powerless to stop

Also, women can get their shit pushed in against their will too, stop being such a chauvinist

 

[Bobisuruncle54]

This saying is clearly related to the anti-gay bigotry similar things have come from. Further, it's almost always used about happening to a guy - and who does this to a guy? A female? Using what, a dildo or broom handle? No, the clear implication is it being done by another guy.

No. That's your assumption and interpretation.

 

[NoSoup4You]

Gay-bashing is definitely not cool. There is no gay bashing going on in BF3. Case closed.

 

[imaheadcase]

The article is about as dumb as admins kicking players for cursing in game that HAS cursing.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Gay-bashing is definitely not cool. There is no gay bashing going on in BF3. Case closed.

This. Can't help but laugh at those that are offended in this thread who are just P&N trolls.

 

[CFP]

I never realized that "getting f'd in the ass" or getting your shit pushed in was a homophobic slur.

Yeah, it's as if all homosexuals want ass sex all the time. In fact, it is almost as if ass sex is all there is to homosexuality.

Oh yeah, one more thing, it seems as if all women don't partake or enjoy ass sex, at all.

The article itself is more fucking homophobic than the quotes from the game.

Jesus christ.

I'm getting my pussy juice pushed in here. THAT'S STRAIGHT-PHOBIA RIGHT THUR!

 

[JamesV]

I only went through basic training in the Army once, and I can attest that it (bt) is not a gay rapefest, as alluded to in the article. I've never heard of the person they mentioned getting raped, and have to believe something else was going on there.

First, we had 60 or so guys in one large bay for basic, and our basic lasted longer then it does today (13 weeks). If one person messed up, we all had to pay, as we did when we lost our pass after graduation because a guy stole some rank insignia and was buying food and liquor from the PX during basic.

If someone tried to rape someone else, it would be impossible to hide it from others, and the rest of us would have beat the shit out of them for possibly getting us into trouble; not to mention intervening because it's the right thing.

Three guys got booted out of basic for sex, and all of them were busted in the same spot, which the drill sargents probably watched - in the huge dumpster outside of the mess hall (with female recruits).

Stupid article; especially equating basic training to prison sex... just wrong.

 

[slayernine]

Or you could read the article since it answers your question.

You expect me to read the entire "article"? After seeing where it came from and the title I don't think I need to.

 

[slayernine]

Gay-bashing is definitely not cool. There is no gay bashing going on in BF3. Case closed.

What if I bash a gay with BF3 game case?

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh yeah, and everyone at Kotaku needs to stop breathing... :|

This is the most pathetic piece of video game journalism I have ever read.

When P&N attacks!

I hope I speak for a typical person when I say we don't think in those terms as he wants to define them, nor will we let him set them and change their meaning against us. As if we're all supposed to go rampage against DICE for something entirely harmless and meaningless.

I have never, nor will I ever, accept anything that article had to say. You don't start a fire and yell arson. Kotaku is shameless, probably plays COD, and owns Activision stock.

In short, don't mess with Battlefield.

 

[CVSiN]

this entire thread is gay.

this ^

 

[ElFenix]

So are a lot of racial epithets, so I guess no problem using them eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxuTyXQHqkI

 

[Craig234]

You're absolutely right. Gay is used colloquially to mean "bad" and so are words like "Jew".

So when I say "that jew camper is jewing about in the corner" it doesn't mean I actually think he's a Jewish, it's meant to convey he's an asshole. Not everything is meant to be taken literally, those people who are associating or making an equivalence between Gay and bad are being morons, no one is saying they're equivalent, it's a deliberate mis-use of the word to mean something else.

If you don't understand basic things like context you need to go back to school, immediately.

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Also Kotaku are well know for rubbish like this they're trolling for comment hits and impressions on their news pages, no one should be reading tripe like this or posting in their comments, you're just playing right in to their flame-bait.

I have some patience for idiots who need things explained carefully. It's the ones who are offensive AND idiots who are the ones not worth bothering with, case in point.

 

[Craig234]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxuTyXQHqkI

Not bothering with your link, if you can't bother explaining why I should.

I suspect it's something showing you miss the point, which I'm not interested in.

 

[Craig234]

You expect me to read the entire "article"? After seeing where it came from and the title I don't think I need to.

You asked a question about the article that it answered.

If you can't be bothered to read the short article, don't bother asking what's in it.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Well, presumably they were going for believability. So in principle, it's not so much that they're homophobes, as they figure their audience expects US Marines in combat situations to throw around slurs all over the place.

Which...well, in all honesty is probably dead on. And while I'm no expert of military combat life, I expect it's probably pretty accurate to reality as well as just audience expectations.

 

[Craig234]

I only went through basic training in the Army once, and I can attest that it (bt) is not a gay rapefest, as alluded to in the article. I've never heard of the person they mentioned getting raped, and have to believe something else was going on there.

First, we had 60 or so guys in one large bay for basic, and our basic lasted longer then it does today (13 weeks). If one person messed up, we all had to pay, as we did when we lost our pass after graduation because a guy stole some rank insignia and was buying food and liquor from the PX during basic.

If someone tried to rape someone else, it would be impossible to hide it from others, and the rest of us would have beat the shit out of them for possibly getting us into trouble; not to mention intervening because it's the right thing.

Three guys got booted out of basic for sex, and all of them were busted in the same spot, which the drill sargents probably watched - in the huge dumpster outside of the mess hall (with female recruits).

Stupid article; especially equating basic training to prison sex... just wrong.

I don't disagree with your experiences you post. I also don't think the military is a 'gay rapefest' and don't think it's equivalent to prison.

For info on prison rape, check www.justdetention.org.

So I checked the article again; it doesn't claim a 'gay rapefest'. It's not clear it's 'equating' prison and military rape either, though it says they have the same problem.

However, what they do have is some reasonable facts to back the claim there's an issue, citing a Newsweek report:

What happened to Jeloudov is a part of life in the armed forces that hardly anyone talks about: male-on-male sexual assault. In the staunchly traditional military culture, it’s an ugly secret, kept hidden by layers of personal shame and official denial. Last year nearly 50,000 male veterans screened positive for “military sexual trauma” at the Department of Veterans Affairs, up from just over 30,000 in 2003.

So instead of nit-picking the degrees of the issue - it's an issue. But it's not really the issue of the game IMO. What is I already stated and those who didn't get it, won't.

 

[Craig234]

Well, presumably they were going for believability. So in principle, it's not so much that they're homophobes, as they figure their audience expects US Marines in combat situations to throw around slurs all over the place.

Which...well, in all honesty is probably dead on. And while I'm no expert of military combat life, I expect it's probably pretty accurate to reality as well as just audience expectations.

I agree with that, but 'realism' has some limits in good taste. People have talked about 'Slaveowner Tycoon' or 'Holocaust Simulator' where realism is offensive.

Face it, the issue here is simply people not appreciating what's offensive. There was a time and culture the N-word was not considered 'offensive' to use; now it is.

That's the same issue here - that people don't appreciate the offense of the language.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

for the last time, "I'm getting my shit pushed in!" is rape-a-phobic, not homophobic

no human wants to be in a situation where "their shit gets pushed in" against their will

seriously, you're being incredibly stupid about this, the phrase is used to describe a situation, whether IRL or in game, where the victim is getting roughed up and they are powerless to do anything about it

it doesn't have to be male on male, you could get "your shit pushed in" by a bear or a robot or a probe-happy asexual alien, regardless of the scenario, it is one where you don't want it, gay or straight, male or female

anal play in a homosexual relationship or even a heterosexual relationship is nothing like the "shit pushing" phrase is trying to analogize

 

[Red Storm]

It's equated to getting raped, not being gay. The exact same way people talk about the US mobile carriers bending them over for a screwing (or cable companies, or any business with dubious practices).

That was a stupid article, but some of the posts in this thread are even more stupid.

 

[Born2bwire]

Ridiculous article. I skipped over it when I saw it on their main page and glad I did. Don't recognize the author though. I usually find that the articles that I do end up reading on Kotaku are written by authors that have been on the site for a long time. I never really picked up much on the newer writers.

 

[Dankk]

This entire thread is gay.

:thumbsup:

 

[ElFenix]

Not bothering with your link, if you can't bother explaining why I should.

I suspect it's something showing you miss the point, which I'm not interested in.

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