So, 1080p is going to be come obselete soon?

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Oh and I hope that before 22.2 audio comes out, they'll have a tactile sound channel in movies 😀 (unless that's what the second LFE track is)

tactile, as in feeling it? just get manufacturers to start making sub's that can handle below 10hz 🙂

I think it should carry different information than the standard audio LFE track. I can get some tactile sensation from my sub (tuned to 12hz) but it's so much easier to get tactile sensation from transducers of some sort attached to the seating. No need to blast movies at reference (or louder) to get things really going.
I think adding a tactile track would give more benefit than say going from 21 to 22 standard audio tracks for surround.

That sounds seriously awesome. Add another track for smells.

I don't think I'd really want to smell what's going on in a lot of movies I watch 😉

I just use bass shakers for now to get some tactile sensation, but may go for some good transducers at some point. Having a dedicated track to play on them would go a lot way towards me actually wanting to do it 😉

Too many Asthmatic people around that might be susceptible to an episode from smell-a-vision.

 

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: spidey07
That's what they said about 1080p about 5 years ago. Impossible were the cries. Now it's commonplace.

"Commonplace"?

Let's be honest, shall we? Consumers are NOT jumping onto the HD-DVD and Blueray bandwagons because they've seen this before with VHS and Betamax. Most consumers are still running DVD's through composite cables, and even many who are using componant cables are not viewing DVD's in progressive scan.

It's going to be 3-5 years before one of the two competing 1080p standards becomes "commonplace", and even then it is unlikely that consumers will switch unless it's available at essentially the same price as DVD.
ZV

Yes, it?s all about price. Right now telco/ISP?s are converting there networks over to Gigabit Ethernet architecture for a variety of reasons. When the major demographic areas are covered look for some serious price competition for HDTV services. Then the networks can be updated to 100mbps Ethernet service fun time.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: spidey07
Generally doubling every two years. Just like murphys laws, bandwidth follows the same curve.

That's Moore's law you're thinking of. Though the sentence is an excellent example of Murphy's law.

ZV

heh, thanks dude. still groggy.

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and I'll disagree with the take on DVD/HD-DVD. heck, my girls parents (mid sixties) just got a 1080p HDTV and HD-DVD player. Asked them "you're using a digital connection, right". Their answer was "sure am!" I don't think I've ever seen people using a composite or svideo connection for a DVD player.

You've never seen someone using composite?

Plenty of people don't even have TVs with component inputs yet. I'm sure a LOT of people that have component inputs just hook up with the "good old yellow" connection since they know how to hook it up and they already have the cables to do it.

Generally people have no idea what they're doing for connecting this stuff. Even simple "input vs. output" is lost on a lot of people.

 

[BillyBatson]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BillyBatson
sorry to break it to you but it is never going to happen. we already have higher than 1920x1080p resolution, on our computers, doesn't mean it iwll become a standard at least anytime soon. You know as well as i do that tv screen resolutions can scale much higher and much faster than the telcos can up their broadcasting resolution, or the internet providers can scale up yoru bandwidth to be able to download a 3840 x 2160 progessive or higher res 5 min trailer let alone a movie. Look how long we have had 480i broadcast even though higher res viewing sources have existed.
You may have a 11520x6480 native res monitor/tv/holographic image in your living room within 5 years, but i guarantee you that you'll be piping nothing better than 1920x1080i from a broadcast telco company to it

also show me the visual improvement of 1080p over 1080i. I have never seen it and every article i have read shows there is little to no improvement when viewing with the naked eye over 6ft away, ESPECIALLY with the current consumer screens out
yes i would love 1080p and will be getting a 1080p lcd 47" next week, but the small inprovement doesn't justify the much heavier bandwidth required to pipe 1080p over 1080i

I do understand your skepticism. However my job is to design the kinds of networks to deliver this stuff. I have seen RAPID improvements in capacity, Generally doubling every two years. Just like murphys laws, bandwidth follows the same curve.

Just think about how only 5 years ago people thought 1080p would never happen. And yet here it is for cheap. Just 5 years ago I was an early adopter of HD. The advancements in JUST 5 YEARS is simply amazing. And it keeps on going.

I fully believe 5 years from now we'll have content and displays that seem impossible today. 5 years from now 1 Gbs to the home will be commonplace.

I admit in the last 5 years things have moved along fairly fast or at least comapred to the 40+ previous years but i am sure thigns moved 'fast" when tv's first came into the light and became affordable by the general public, then once the ground work was layed out they stuck with it for 40+? years! Now i am not saying we will be watching 1080i, or even 1080p tv for the next 40+ years but it is safe to say we will be watching it for a minimum 10-20 years before real change comes about again

 

[lokiju]

Alright, I'm now officially tired of new HD devices and content coming out nonstop.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: lokiju
Alright, I'm now officially tired of new HD devices and content coming out nonstop.

me too. I am sick of the 'must have 1080p.'
Stupid marketing schemes.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BillyBatson
I admit in the last 5 years things have moved along fairly fast or at least comapred to the 40+ previous years but i am sure thigns moved 'fast" when tv's first came into the light and became affordable by the general public, then once the ground work was layed out they stuck with it for 40+? years! Now i am not saying we will be watching 1080i, or even 1080p tv for the next 40+ years but it is safe to say we will be watching it for a minimum 10-20 years before real change comes about again

Well, we'll just have to disagree then. The advancements in audio/video in even just the last 10 years have been HUMONGOUS. I don't see it slowing at all.

This is not just a shift in technology, it is a shift in technology. People are staying home more often to enjoy quality time.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: lokiju
Alright, I'm now officially tired of new HD devices and content coming out nonstop.

me too. I am sick of the 'must have 1080p.'
Stupid marketing schemes.

Well it's it's the only "real HD" out there.

 

[BillyBatson]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BillyBatson
I admit in the last 5 years things have moved along fairly fast or at least comapred to the 40+ previous years but i am sure thigns moved 'fast" when tv's first came into the light and became affordable by the general public, then once the ground work was layed out they stuck with it for 40+? years! Now i am not saying we will be watching 1080i, or even 1080p tv for the next 40+ years but it is safe to say we will be watching it for a minimum 10-20 years before real change comes about again

Well, we'll just have to disagree then. The advancements in audio/video in even just the last 10 years have been HUMONGOUS. I don't see it slowing at all.

This is not just a shift in technology, it is a shift in technology. People are staying home more often to enjoy quality time.

This is not just a shift in technology, it is a shift in technology ????

and see this isn't like a CPU or GPU where they can come up with somethign new every 4 months and people will buy it and can implent it into current tech and take advantage of it. big telcos only care about money and once they put down an infrastructure they are not going to upgrade it every 4 months, or 5 years. Why do you think comapnies are barely swapping over to fiber optic even though it has been out for so long? They are going to go with whatever is cost effective and maxamize profits. TV's may be out that can do 10x the current HD res, and the tech and means to provide the service might be there, doesn't mean they will do it. It's not something that can easily be upgrades and changed on a swim and is very costly to do which is why it won't be done often.

Look at cell phones, how long was analog used before they switched to digital even though the technology was there. And even now look how far behind we are comapred to the rest of the world, and even the rest of the world can upgrade tos omethign betetr than they have now, but it isn't cost effective to do so and may even hurt profits for the time being.

 

[spidey07]

Sorry...shift in lifestyle, technolgy is accomodating/pushing that.

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And on the fiber thing. Build out (capital) costs are the biggest capex (capital expenditure) of a network. The labor is the chunk. Once the network is in, then it moves over to opex (operational expense...every single year this is what it will cost to maintain it).

So please remember communications is still a business. And a very slim margin, high volume one it is. Many have held off on building out because the tech is changing so freaking rapidly. Fiber is so cheap, it's almost the same price or less than COAX. BUT - cable operators have their networks already on their books - the capex. They can't just replace because then they are still paying (accounting wise) on infrastructure that is still on the books. Double paying....bad idea.

So - providing more services, for less money is still the goal. But we're at a busting point in terms of technology, consumer demand and competition. It WILL happen, and it WILL happen fast.