Snow: Lawsuits Restraining Economy

Riprorin

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It's pretty clear that Edwards is beholden to the trial lawyers. We need someone who's going to take on the lawyers, not someone who is in bed with them.

Is there anyone here who believes that we don't have too much litigation in this country?

Snow: Lawsuits Restraining Economy
Thursday July 8, 8:52 am ET

PORTLAND, Maine (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow began sharpening his message on Thursday about the need to rein in lawsuits, only days after Democrats tapped a trial lawyer to run for vice president in November's general election.

Interviewed on a local radio station in Portland at the beginning of a two-day swing through Maine and New Hampshire, Snow said so-called tort reform was moving higher on the nation's economic agenda.

"Frivolous, abusive" lawsuits restrained the nation's economic growth, Snow said. "It's become a drag on the American economy, hurts job creation and sends jobs off-shore."

Earlier this week, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry chose North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, a millionaire trial lawyer who filed personal injury lawsuits before becoming a legislator, as his running mate.

Snow said the U.S. economy was currently in a broad-based recovery, which he claimed stemmed largely from the Bush administration's decision to cut taxes.

"I give a lot of credit to the Federal Reserve for good monetary policy, but without the tax cuts we wouldn't be seeing the GDP (gross domestic product) growth rates and job growth we are," he said.
 

Kipper

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Shouldn't a bit of a less-biased source be of more validity...this guy is in Bush's cabinet, correct?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Shouldn't a bit of a less-biased source be of more validity...this guy is in Bush's cabinet, correct?

Ayup.

After Paul O'Neill was given the heave-ho for telling the truth and trying to be an honest broker, Bush brings in someone to better support his position...another 'yes-man'.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Shouldn't a bit of a less-biased source be of more validity...this guy is in Bush's cabinet, correct?

Are you denying we're an overly litigious society and that frivolous litigation isn't a drain on our economy?

Do you really think that Snow is wrong????
 

Vadatajs

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You mean frivolous litigation like SCO vs. IBM and the RIAA vs. EVERYBODY right?

Or is it only frivolous when people exercise their rights as consumers?
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Shouldn't a bit of a less-biased source be of more validity...this guy is in Bush's cabinet, correct?

Are you denying we're an overly litigious society and that frivolous litigation isn't a drain on our economy?

Do you really think that Snow is wrong????

It is the Economy, it is simply a playground for the Rich. Just open the paper and you see it is the Corporate Thugs just moving their money around that way. The Judicial system has become the "hidden" or set of "cooked" books. It's the perfect "Hide in plain sight" methology.
 

Orsorum

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I'm curious, I still haven't seen much corroboration for the claim Edwards was an irresponsible or unscrupulous trial lawyer. I've seen evidence that he actually WAS a trial lawyer, and a few snide comments that unfairly attack and generalize trial lawyers, but no evidence that he was an ambulance chaser.
 

RyanM

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Rip, where the f*ck was Bush on Tort reform these last four years?

Oh, yeah, I forgot, he decided blowing up Iraq was a better priority, and while we were distracted by that, he snuck in one of the most fiscally irresponsible presidencies in history.
 

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We should Ban Trial Lawyers Completly. Noble corporations never do Wrong so there is no need to ever sue them.....:roll:

God Save the corporation and release them from liability. F@ck consumer protection
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: smashp
We should Ban Trial Lawyers Completly. Noble corporations never do Wrong so there is no need to ever sue them.....:roll:

God Save the corporation and release them from liability. F@ck consumer protection

Edwards is worth more than Bush and Cheney COMBINED. Nice biz lining your pockets on the backs of asbestos victims.
 

Riprorin

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It's no surprise he's absent when congress is discussing reform considering trial lawyers are pocketing 50% of the settlements to asbestos victims.

Senator John Edwards Absent from Asbestos-Litigation Debate

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Senator John Edwards has been absent from debate on legislation to end lawsuits by asbestos-exposure victims, a measure that's opposed by trial lawyers, the biggest bloc of contributors to his Democratic presidential campaign.

Lawyers gave more than half of the $7.4 million Edwards' campaign has collected so far. He is the only Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee who hasn't attended the sessions in Washington to draft legislation that would create a $108 billion trust fund to compensate victims.

The legislation puts Edwards, a former trial lawyer, in an awkward spot, political analysts say. Personal injury and other plaintiffs' lawyers are a frequent target of Republicans, who say the bill is needed because attorneys for asbestos-exposure victims continue to pocket half the money from verdicts and settlements that have bankrupted more than 60 companies since 1982.

Edwards ``is very, very vulnerable to a charge of being in hock to a powerful and wealthy group of individuals, the trial lawyers,'' said Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist. The senator can't ``work against their interests, given the money they have given him'' and if he ``works for them, then he opens himself up to even more criticism,'' Sabato said.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: smashp
We should Ban Trial Lawyers Completly. Noble corporations never do Wrong so there is no need to ever sue them.....:roll:

God Save the corporation and release them from liability. F@ck consumer protection

Edwards is worth more than Bush and Cheney COMBINED. Nice biz lining your pockets on the backs of asbestos victims.

If you dont Want a Lawyer to keep a portion of the settlement for his Work, Then pay his fees up front.


Oh Wait, That would prevent the little Guy from affordin to litagate a corporation now wouldnt it.

If They Lose the Case, they also dont get paid.


oh and I love This Quote----- in reguards to His Donors.

"The senator can't ``work against their interests, given the money they have given him'' and if he ``works for them, then he opens himself up to even more criticism,''



Kinda applies to Bush and The Energy industry nicely doesnt it.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: smashp
We should Ban Trial Lawyers Completly. Noble corporations never do Wrong so there is no need to ever sue them.....:roll:

God Save the corporation and release them from liability. F@ck consumer protection

Edwards is worth more than Bush and Cheney COMBINED. Nice biz lining your pockets on the backs of asbestos victims.

If you dont Want a Lawyer to keep a portion of the settlement for his Work, Then pay his fees up front.


Oh Wait, That would prevent the little Guy from affordin to litagate a corporation now wouldnt it.

If They Lose the Case, they also dont get paid.


oh and I love This Quote----- in reguards to His Donors.

"The senator can't ``work against their interests, given the money they have given him'' and if he ``works for them, then he opens himself up to even more criticism,''



Kinda applies to Bush and The Energy industry nicely doesnt it.

Don't you think that 50% is a bit steep?

Wouldn't it have been nice if the people who are suffering from the devastating effects of asbestos got a little bigger slice of the pie?

I'm sure they could use it more than Edwards, who has amassed a fortune of somewhere around $800 million.
 

Michael

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Riprorin - isn't it the democrats who are supposed to be jealous of people's hard earned money? Are you sure you're using the right play book?

Michael

ps - I agree that the good system of having the courts be an extra source of protection have been abused. Asbestos is by far an overplayed threat. They need to be reined in. However, Bush has had 4 years and there's barely been any progress on that front.
 

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Trail Lawyers are the #1 reason why Health Care costs are so high. A doctor can't do anything these days without the fear of a multi million dollar lawsuit. Why are drugs so expensive? Because law suits. The liberals and lawyers have been working hand in hand over the last two decades to destroy the Health Care system. For one end, Socialized Health Care, and the opportunity for the lawyers to next begin suing the most lucrative victim of them all - the government.

It is a very unholy alliance.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: smashp
We should Ban Trial Lawyers Completly. Noble corporations never do Wrong so there is no need to ever sue them.....:roll:

God Save the corporation and release them from liability. F@ck consumer protection

Edwards is worth more than Bush and Cheney COMBINED. Nice biz lining your pockets on the backs of asbestos victims.

Proof of that? You do realize Cheney received a $34 million payout from Halliburton when he left to become the V.P.?
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: smashp
We should Ban Trial Lawyers Completly. Noble corporations never do Wrong so there is no need to ever sue them.....:roll:

God Save the corporation and release them from liability. F@ck consumer protection

Edwards is worth more than Bush and Cheney COMBINED. Nice biz lining your pockets on the backs of asbestos victims.

Proof of that? You do realize Cheney received a $34 million payout from Halliburton when he left to become the V.P.?

Edwards discosed net worth of $12-60million in 2003. He collected over $60million during his trial law career. I dont think the statement that Edwards is richer than Bush and Cheney combined, is accurate, but John Edwards is worth more than he disclosed. Though its pretty close.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: smashp
We should Ban Trial Lawyers Completly. Noble corporations never do Wrong so there is no need to ever sue them.....:roll:

God Save the corporation and release them from liability. F@ck consumer protection

Edwards is worth more than Bush and Cheney COMBINED. Nice biz lining your pockets on the backs of asbestos victims.

If you dont Want a Lawyer to keep a portion of the settlement for his Work, Then pay his fees up front.


Oh Wait, That would prevent the little Guy from affordin to litagate a corporation now wouldnt it.

If They Lose the Case, they also dont get paid.


oh and I love This Quote----- in reguards to His Donors.

"The senator can't ``work against their interests, given the money they have given him'' and if he ``works for them, then he opens himself up to even more criticism,''



Kinda applies to Bush and The Energy industry nicely doesnt it.

Don't you think that 50% is a bit steep?

Wouldn't it have been nice if the people who are suffering from the devastating effects of asbestos got a little bigger slice of the pie?

I'm sure they could use it more than Edwards, who has amassed a fortune of somewhere around $800 million.


Your Facts are Awful. your about 740 million off. as stated on this thread prior, Edwards discosed net worth is $12-60million as of 2003.

and The lawyers recieve compensation of 25%-40% plus legal costs usually if the Case is won. If the Case is Lost, they receive nothing, Not even Compensation for their costs.

If the Plaitiff doesnt like the terms of getting an Experienced Decent Lawyer, They dont have to employee Him. The Plaintiffs know the terms before they enter into the lawsuit.

if they dont want the Lawyer taking 25% to 40%, They can easily pay their legal fees and will get the full settlement value themselves. Granted, They will Owe a huge chunk of change if they Lose the case.


It Makes Finacial Sence to Give the Lawyer a percentage.
 

Ferocious

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Let juries of Americans who hear the details decide what are good penalties.

Not corporate backed laws.

hmmm I always thought Republicans were for stiff penalites. Oh yeah, yet another example of hypocrisy.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Michael
Riprorin - isn't it the democrats who are supposed to be jealous of people's hard earned money? Are you sure you're using the right play book?

Michael

ps - I agree that the good system of having the courts be an extra source of protection have been abused. Asbestos is by far an overplayed threat. They need to be reined in. However, Bush has had 4 years and there's barely been any progress on that front.

Yeah, where are the bleeding heart Libs on this one!
 

Genx87

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Tort reform in the insurance industry has done nothing in terms of keep rates low. The states who had tort reform when it came to medical claims in fact had their medical insurance rates raise the most.

I do however believe the penalty for bringing a court deemd frivilous lawsuit should be a bit tougher. I dont however believe in tort reform because all it does it limit the ability to inflict damage on companies or persons who were negligent.
 

rahvin

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You act like edwards is the only lawyer in congress. I wouldn't be supprised if 75% of congress is lawyers. Tort reform will never occur while the legislative branch is comprised mostly of lawyers.
 

halik

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so it's the lawsuits that are slowing down the economy??? I thought as of now it was the fear of rising interest rates.

It's funny i've been watching MSNBC for the past 5 years and I've heard many reasons including consumer confidence, interest rates, overvaluation, fiscal scams, unemplyement etc, but i have yet to hear anythign about frivilous lawsuits
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin

I'm sure they could use it more than Edwards, who has amassed a fortune of somewhere around $800 million.

That's an outright lie, which marks a significant downturn in the quality of your already wildly-exaggerated rhetoric. Even the highest estimates of Edwards' personal wealth are less than a tenth of this amount.