Snow in Alabama...

Krioni

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I live in Birmingham, AL... we don't see snow here very often. Maybe once every 8 or so years. I woke up this morning and there was a light dusting on the ground.

That's enough to cause everyone to drive like it's their first time behind the wheel :)

Anyway, we've also recently had some very warm temperatures and I've already got some green grass in the back yard.... then this snow. I thought the contrast looked kind of neat, so I took a pick. I don't have a macro lens, so I did the best I could with my 200mm zoom.

Click me, Click me

Please critique (gently).

Thanks!




 

punchkin

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I'm going to critique only because no one else is.

First off, the contrast between the green blades and the white snow is a nice subject. However, several things are holding it back from having maximum impact in the image.

The image lacks pop due to postprocessing or the lack thereof. This image could do with a curves adjustment, as well as a saturation and contrast boost.

In addition, I feel that this has the beginnings of a good composition, but should be reshot from a different angle and framing. If your aim is to provide a sweep across an expanse of the pattern, the effect is largely ruined by the large out-of-focus are on the small hill at the left, and the empty mostly white area in the upper corner. If your aim is to pick out particular blades for the pleasing interaction of their forms (an admirable goal) the whole thing feels too unfocused-- the eye wanders without any real target. Lastly, the image feels out of balance due to the forementioned areason the left and upper right, together with the location of the in-focus areas (please not this does not mean you need a centered or symmetric composition in any particular case).

I think that the best thing for training your eye is to first look at other pleasing images in the same vein, which don't have to be photographs, and try to isolate what makes them pleasing. Then there's no harm in trying to emulate particular effects, or just going for the same general feel.

But in addition I think that when you are trying to train your eye, you should take lots of shots with different compositions-- try zany angles, different focal lengths and framings, etc. Go nuts. You will discover later in review, during the critical phase of your learning process, what works best, and you will remember because you have invested more thought in the best images; after a while emulating elements of your own best images will become almost like a reflex when shooting, and you will have developed your own style.

A good exercise to develop a feel for balance, and how the elements of the image interact with the frame, is to try many different crops of the same image. You may find with the proper focus that you agonize over the difference between two pixels, as you realize how it affects the balance and the effect on the eye.

There are tutorials on composition on the web, most of them with something valuable to say. The most value you can get from them is a better critical approach, just so you can understand why you like a particular image or style.
 

Krioni

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Originally posted by: punchkin
I'm going to critique because no one else will.

Why do you feel no one else will critique? Is it because the image is that bad? Or that people just simply won't because it's an inconvenience?

Originally posted by: punchkin
First off, the contrast between the green blades and the white snow is a nice subject. However, several things are holding it back from having maximum impact in the image.

The image lacks pop due to postprocessing or the lack thereof. This image could do with a curves adjustment, as well as a saturation and contrast boost.

I'm not very experienced in Photoshop... what does a curves adjustment do? I'm just asking for a general, brief answer... I will be googling it also to try to learn it in more depth.

I do basically know how to adjust the saturation and contrast and I will give that a try.

Thanks again for your input... this is how I will learn to take better shots.
 

punchkin

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Originally posted by: Krioni
Originally posted by: punchkin
I'm going to critique because no one else will.

Why do you feel no one else will critique? Is it because the image is that bad? Or that people just simply won't because it's an inconvenience?

Originally posted by: punchkin
First off, the contrast between the green blades and the white snow is a nice subject. However, several things are holding it back from having maximum impact in the image.

The image lacks pop due to postprocessing or the lack thereof. This image could do with a curves adjustment, as well as a saturation and contrast boost.

I'm not very experienced in Photoshop... what does a curves adjustment do? I'm just asking for a general, brief answer... I will be googling it also to try to learn it in more depth.

I do basically know how to adjust the saturation and contrast and I will give that a try.

Thanks again for your input... this is how I will learn to take better shots.

I just meant that I usually hang back on these things. But your post was out there for a while and no one took the time to comment-- who knows the reason, as I don't think your shot is really bad or anything. You chose a very difficult subject in my opinion, and as you said you were hampered by the lack of a macro lens (it is pretty easy to take run-of-the-mill stunning macro shots of grass etc. in snow).

Anyway, I realize now that my post was a mite didactic but it was meant in good spirit. It's hard to know how advanced someone is based on just one picture anyway. I also realize someone can be really advanced in photography and not have great processing skills. The main point I really want to get across is that there's no substitute for experimentation. If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that...

I sometimes use curves, but I actually miswrote-- I would fiddle with levels first, to boost the brightness of the midrange while preserving the contrast in the shadows, prior to boosting the contrast. With this sort of an image you have a challenge experienced by many event photographers (especially wedding photographers dealing with white dresses and tuxes): how to fiddle with the contrast of the image without blowing the high-key areas (here, snow)?

I often put the dress and other white clothing, snow, etc. in a separate layer just for this reason, because then you can increase the definition by dropping the shadows in the light regions without blocking up the shadows in the rest of the image.



 

Fardringle

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As an example of what I believe punchkin is referring to, and what I would for a picture that I don't want to do a lot of processing on with layers, this is how your photo turns out simply by dragging the end markers on the Levels histogram so that they just barely overlap the edges of the actual curve instead of leaving empty space on both sides of the curve. It's possible to do more to really make the shot stand out, but if you just want a quick fix that can make a pretty big difference, this is one way to do it...

SnowInGrass


If you haven't done this before, it's much easier to show an example than try to explain, so these are screenshots of the Levels histogram of your picture before and after the change. If you use Photoshop, the Levels screen looks a little different since I use Gimp, but the concept is the same.

Histogram in original photo
Histogram after levels adjustment