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[Edrick]

Some Enthusiast CPUs through the years:

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ @ $90
Wolfdale E7200 @ $130
Kentsfield Q6600 @ $199
Phenom II 720BE @ $120
Thuban X6s @ <$200
SB 2500K @ $180

I think it is fair to say that Bulldozer is priced squarely within the enthusiast range.

Clearly your definition of "enthusiast" is much different than most others. Your list is more like "mainstream performance".

 

[Edrick]

Celeron, Pentium: Essential
Core i3: Mainstream
Core i5, i7 (LGA 1155): Performance
Core i7 (LGA 2011): Enthusiast

I agree with this, which is one of the few times I agree with Axel.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

$200 might be "high-end" for your average shopper, but for an enthusiast (and this is an enthusiast forum), I don't think $200 is "high-end" for a CPU. Celerons and Pentiums are mostly OEM products and few enthusiasts actually use them in their custom builds.

A few years ago the lowest-end Athlon X2 (the 3800+) cost $300+. A 2500K at around $200 is midrange by my standards, and the 2600K is midrange to high end. True high end IMO is a 980X or 990X.

AMD's pricing is a little different because their most expensive consumer processor (the 1100T) is only really "midrange" when compared to Intel's lineup.

I'm saying objectively. Obviously, some enthusiasts will see them as being "mainstream" (well, you could say it's Performance Mainstream), while the average consumer will see it as being at the "very high-end", but objectively the Performance market starts with the Core i5 and therefore that's where the high-end begins. I'm not saying it's the very high-end, because it's not.

The Phenom II X6 competes with the Core i5 for the most part (at least in multi-threaded), so it's also at the beginning of the high-end. The very high-end is obviously dominated by the Core i7-980 and 990X, and AMD has nothing to answer to that.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Clearly your definition of "enthusiast" is much different than most others. Your list is more like "mainstream performance".

Yeah, it kinda is. Though an enthusiast and Enthusiast market are two different things. Enthusiast market is just referring to the very high-end CPU+platform, while a computer enthusiast can be someone that typically has something like a Phenom II X4/Core i3 and higher.

Out of all those in the list, the only ones that are/were high-end are the Core 2 Quad Q6600, Phenom II X6, and the Core i5.

The Pentium E7xxx was a mainstream part, as was the Phenom II X3. The Athlon XP 2500+ was between low-end and mainstream.

 

[drizek]

Yeah, it kinda is. Though an enthusiast and Enthusiast market are two different things. Enthusiast market is just referring to the very high-end CPU+platform, while a computer enthusiast can be someone that typically has something like a Phenom II X4/Core i3 and higher.

Out of all those in the list, the only ones that are/were high-end are the Core 2 Quad Q6600, Phenom II X6, and the Core i5.

The Pentium E7xxx was a mainstream part, as was the Phenom II X3. The Athlon XP 2500+ was between low-end and mainstream.

Those first three were high end CPUs that were affordable for enthusiasts. The last 3 were cheap CPUs that could be overclocked really well.

I think these are the people that AMD is targeting with Bulldozer, not the Gulftown kind of Enthusiasts.

 

[drizek]

Some of those prices you quoted were well into the lifecycles of the CPUs.

Yes, those CPUs only became appealing ot enthusiasts once their prices dropped to around those levels, but I guess it depends on what your definition of Enthusiast is.

 

[Abwx]

no but i think the intel core i3 is tho... its not fair to rank up against a BD.

Where did i compare the i5 2400/2500 to a BD ??..
The WP32 slide a few posts earlier compare them to Llano
wich a very slightly modded Athlon 2 X4.....:biggrin:

 

[NostaSeronx]

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...ileri-icin-resmi-cikis-tarihi-ve-fiyatlar.htm

Sources among retailers told DonanimHaber that retail prices of AMD's next generation performance desktop processor series, the AMD FX, are a lot lower than expected. On October 12, AMD will launch three new parts worldwide, the eight-core FX-8150, FX-8120, and six-core FX-6120, priced at US $245, $205, and $175, respectively.

Every leak....every week it drops by like $5 by the time it releases it will be $200 for all we know xD

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...ileri-icin-resmi-cikis-tarihi-ve-fiyatlar.htm



Every leak....every week it drops by like $5 by the time it releases it will be $200 for all we know xD

Those prices are not correct :whiste:

 

[NostaSeronx]

Those prices are not correct

How aren't they correct :whiste:, Rumors can't be correct or incorrect regardless, so how can it not be correct?

FX-8150 $230-$270
FX-8120 $190-$250
FX-6100 $160-$200

Seems to be the range from all "rumor" leaks originating in September

 

[podspi]

How aren't they correct :whiste:, Rumors can't be correct or incorrect regardless, so how can it not be correct?

FX-8150 $230-$270
FX-8120 $190-$250
FX-6100 $160-$200

Seems to be the range from all "rumor" leaks originating in September

Of course rumors can be correct or incorrect. I'm still holding out hope that AMD has just been fantastic at hiding performance/pricing.

Goodness knows they've been great at hiding the launch date...

 

[BlueBlazer]

Of course rumors can be correct or incorrect. I'm still holding out hope that AMD has just been fantastic at hiding performance/pricing.

Goodness knows they've been great at hiding the launch date...

It could be as IDC mentioned here.... :hmm:

 

[podspi]

It could be as IDC mentioned here.... :hmm:

Phenom I's major issue was its low clock speed compared to the existing X2s... BD should not have that problem (hopefully).


I still think BD will have Nehalem-class IPC in ST benchmarks. That would put it at a little faster per clock than PhII in multithreaded benchmarks (due to module config), which would be consistent with all of the official bits we've heard from AMD (which haven't been very much, but we should expect 35% (whiz-bang) increased performance from 33% more cores).

 

[aigomorla]

Once again say it with me guys.

Intel and AMD have different catigory niches.

The Enthuesiest you guys are talking about... me who falls in that catigory has been meshed with Enterprise on intel side.

That means Intel Enthusiast start at a nice fat price tag of roughly 500-750 dollars on the cpu alone..... add a 300 dollar board.. and typically scale that system with 1000 dollars + in GPU's and a gignormous capacity in SSD's. Personally im running 400gigs in pure SSD's.

That is the definition of an intel Enthusiast to marketing.

Now you cant take an intel catigory and mesh it on amd when AMD doesnt have the cpu's which fall in that catigory outside normal enterprise.

Anyhow everyone knows, you get an AMD when your budget orientated. This has never changed.

People saying they are looking at BD to decide on SB-E... They CRACK ME UP.
Unless ur looking at a pure magoney, and Sandy-E then yeah.... but Magoney isnt BD!
Get catigories straight people...

2011 will have a nice start price tag of roughly.. 300 cpu low ball + 200 board low ball + 4 sticks of ram just to get the sucker to boot.

BD will only require a 200 dollar cpu... + 100 dollar board + 2 sticks of ram... which will represent a price tag of half.

 

[Idontcare]

Phenom I's major issue was its low clock speed compared to the existing X2s... BD should not have that problem (hopefully).

Phenom's major issue was AMD's 90nm had already incorporated many of the crown jewels of 65nm into it thanks to the CTI model (Continuous transistor improvement)...this left the bulk of the remaining improvement to be had from the transition to 65nm being the cost-savings of making smaller chips, but they weren't going to be faster chips than their 90nm siblings.

Source: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0425/kaigai264.htm

What is disconcerting for the prospects of Bulldozer is the early signs of clockspeed/power-consumption metrics of GloFo's 32nm based on what we have seen to date from Llano.

Just as the initial 65nm X2's could barely out-clock the existing 90nm X2's, so too is the case for 32nm Llano's in comparison to the existing 45nm X4's, the power consumption is just not favorable.

This makes it difficult to not draw the obvious corollaries between 90nm X2's, 65nm X2's and 65nm Phenom versus todays' 45nm X4's, 32nm Llano, and 32nm bulldozer.

We can hope the corollary doesn't hold true, but I don't think any of us are really going to be surprised if the reality of the situation with bulldozer doesn't come to be a corollary to Phenom in this regard. Zambezi is delayed for a reason.

 

[Vesku]

I hope Llano and BD are different enough in design so that we can't take Llano's metrics and apply them straight to BD.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Phenom I's major issue was its low clock speed compared to the existing X2s... BD should not have that problem (hopefully).

Its not only that, but lower IPC (than competition) and higher power consumption.

I still think BD will have Nehalem-class IPC in ST benchmarks. That would put it at a little faster per clock than PhII in multithreaded benchmarks (due to module config), which would be consistent with all of the official bits we've heard from AMD (which haven't been very much, but we should expect 35&#37; (whiz-bang) increased performance from 33% more cores).

IMHO it may match Nehalem in multi-thread but not in IPC (and single thread). That (up to) "35%" is based on server segment, where often applications and operatings systems can be re-compiled to take advantage of new Bulldozer features. Its hard to gauge that without any official/certified SPEC benchmarks. Hopefully, we shall see that soon (when the Interlagos CPUs finds its way into servers, rather than exclusively to Cray supercomputers). :hmm:

 

[podspi]

Isn't the word on the street that Llano yields (due to the GPU component) are terrible? If this is the case, it is possible they're binned very liberally on the CPU-side, to boost yields as high as possible.

IMHO, this is a pretty convincing argument, given the success many people on forums have had undervolting/overclocking mobile Llanos.