Smoking pot is cool, God is not real, being gay is great, George Bush causes all problems.

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Fausto
You forgot: "BAMAVOO is, and always has been, a trolling moron."

I thought I like you?

You have your moments. This is not one of them. OT doesn't need a one-stop-shopping thread for arguing about our Prez, gay people, and all that.

You want arguments, take it to the Playp&N.

Not much else to do on a rainy Halloween day at work

I am not trolling, I am more interested in hearing why the need to be super liberal is rampant.

I honestly feel it is our society that allows people to sue over hot coffee or the kids ability to have their parents arrested for being parents; you know spankings and such.

If the youth of today does not see that we need to change our ways, I honestly fear for the saftey of everyone down the road.

The thing is, every "old" person has said this about the "young people" forever. It's just the voice of experience vs. youthful idealism. It's just not worth wringing your hands over. The gay people will not form a militia and topple the government any time soon, I promise.

The problem with useful idealism is that it arrogantly believes that its ideals are the best ones and that the ends justify the means to make those ideals come true. Adult experience comes from having other peoples' youthful idealisms shoved down your throat.

No one's shoving anything down your throat. The "adults" are the ones making the laws, no matter how much noise the younger set is making.

Adults is such a strong word when describing these asstards... and its not the goverment thats making the laws.. its the big businesses funding thier lobbiests to get things they need passed.

so much for we the people... all we get a say in is which idiot is gonna get paid off..

 

[CKent]

Smoking pot is cool, God is not real, being gay is great, George Bush causes all problems

It's your body, he's as real as Santa, it's your body, most not all. It's funny that most people have no tolerance for someone disagreeing with them and must label them derogatorily before they can sleep at night. Who is the sheep indeed...

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
If the youth of today does not see that we need to change our ways, I honestly fear for the saftey of everyone down the road.

The scary thing is that this isn't just kids. A majority of adults graduating from college are this retarded as well.

Those aren't really adults.
And it's not very adult to consider viewpoints that oppose your own "retarded"

I'm not talking about their viewpoints. I'm talking about their attitudes. They believe the entire world revolves around them and their beliefs. They are the smartest people alive. This is going to lead to major problems in the future.

Also, I never claimed to be very adult.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Fausto
You forgot: "BAMAVOO is, and always has been, a trolling moron."

:thumbsup:

 

[James3shin]

I don't feel this way. I personally don't care if you get blazed so badly that you couldn't guard a plant, religion is ok, just don't push it onto others that have no interest, and I am homophobic.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: CVSiN
well im anti drugs...

indifferent about gays (but they should be treated as equals and given the same rights as anyone else)

Bush is a freaking religious dipsh1t (whom I am not proud I voted for)

religions are fine as long as my country remebers there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state and they stay away from me..

and I'm 35 and way past the rebel without a cause stage in my life..
but the US has gone WAY down hill and Democracy is dead... it doesnt even matter who you vote for anymore.. thier agendas are all paid for by thier lobbiests whom basically make the government thier private puppets.

Treated as equals? Why?

See, anti-religion.

No, there is nothing in writing about seperation of church and state, you are misinformed.

I agree that both parties only seek their own agenda. Maybe Red Dawn should run for President?

Why should gays be treated as equals? Because they're fu$%ing human beings a$$hole! What kind of inhuman piece of crap does it take to think there's any human being that doesn't deserve to be treated equal to the rest?

Separation of church and state.
"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar?s, and unto God the things that are God?s." (Mathew 22:21)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . ."

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
-Thomas Jefferson 1802

"the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" - Tripoli Treaty 1796

The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State." - James Madison

Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate." - Ulysses S. Grant

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem with useful idealism is that it arrogantly believes that its ideals are the best ones.

You've got it backwards.

Gay Marriage
Democrat View: Don't know if homosexuality is genetic, or behavioral, so let's treat them equally.
Republican View: Homosexuality is a conscious choice, it is a sin, and it must be condemned.

God
Democrat View: Some people think there is a God, some people don't think there is a God, so it's best to have a secular society.
Republican View: Christianity is the one true religion. America is not a secular state, it must be based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Weed
Democrat View: If people want to take on whatever side effects are associated with marijuana use, it's their choice unless they are also hurting others.
Republican View: We have decided that marijuana is bad for you. You can't use it.

I only see one side arrogantly forcing it's views on others, and it isn't the liberals.

whenever anyone speaks their mind against the liberal opinion they are ganged up on and insulted over things unrelated to the issue. This is why many people who have those opinions choose not to share them.

Maybe you get attacked because the entire contemporary conservative movement is an attempt to force one value set on everyone else?

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
The youth of today has been coddled far too much and have no real concept of reality outside of their over indulgent lives. It has been far too long since most in this country went through any real hardship that they have become lazy an have a rather simplistic world view. They are simply naive.

so with more life experience the youth of today would embrace a christian god, abstain from drugs, be hetero, and recognize what a wonderful job out president is doing?

i'm not buying it

:roll:

 

[imported_Zeke]

Did you just call me gay?

 

[6StringSamurai]

Originally posted by: CKent

Smoking pot is cool, God is not real, being gay is great, George Bush causes all problems

It's your body, he's as real as Santa, it's your body, most not all. It's funny that most people have no tolerance for someone disagreeing with them and must label them derogatorily before they can sleep at night. Who is the sheep indeed...

QFT

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: michaels
Young angst, sorta like almost everyone who like Rage Against the Machine is an expert on world issus and politics.

Says the guy from Arkansas.

 

[kstu]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: CVSiN
well im anti drugs...

indifferent about gays (but they should be treated as equals and given the same rights as anyone else)

Bush is a freaking religious dipsh1t (whom I am not proud I voted for)

religions are fine as long as my country remebers there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state and they stay away from me..

and I'm 35 and way past the rebel without a cause stage in my life..
but the US has gone WAY down hill and Democracy is dead... it doesnt even matter who you vote for anymore.. thier agendas are all paid for by thier lobbiests whom basically make the government thier private puppets.

Treated as equals? Why?

See, anti-religion.

No, there is nothing in writing about seperation of church and state, you are misinformed.

I agree that both parties only seek their own agenda. Maybe Red Dawn should run for President?

oh i dont know, maybe because they are human beings just like you and me. are you really that much of a bigot?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem with useful idealism is that it arrogantly believes that its ideals are the best ones.

You've got it backwards.

Gay Marriage
Democrat View: Don't know if homosexuality is genetic, or behavioral, so let's treat them equally.
Republican View: Homosexuality is a conscious choice, it is a sin, and it must be condemned.

God
Democrat View: Some people think there is a God, some people don't think there is a God, so it's best to have a secular society.
Republican View: Christianity is the one true religion. America is not a secular state, it must be based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Weed
Democrat View: If people want to take on whatever side effects are associated with marijuana use, it's their choice unless they are also hurting others.
Republican View: We have decided that marijuana is bad for you. You can't use it.

I only see one side arrogantly forcing it's views on others, and it isn't the liberals.

LOL - sure. Every Democratic campaign ad I see is them basically stating that they to legalize gay marriage, to keep religion out of politics, and to decriminalize pot. :laugh:

What fvcked up world are you living in where you believe politicians of the two Major parties campaign based on anything other than what polls make them think will get people to vote for them?

Your best bet is to look towards the Libertarian party for those stated "Democratic" agendas.

 

[Horus]

Ok. Here's my opinion on the "issues" the OP listed

Smoking Pot: Should be regulated like alcohol. No smoking when driving. But it's not the massive issue people make it out to be.

God: Who am I to say he is or is not real? I don't believe in him, that's all. But that's just how I was raised. (Mom was Catholic, took me through all the confirmation and stuff- Dad's an Atheist, and an Engineer, so I got both viewpoints)

Gay: If you're gay, whatever. If you're straight, whatever. I don't care. Neither should anyone else.

Bush: Well, he's OBVIOUSLY an idiot. But he doesn't cause all the problems of the world. A few, sure. But not all.

 

[imported_Zeke]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem with useful idealism is that it arrogantly believes that its ideals are the best ones.

You've got it backwards.

Gay Marriage
Democrat View: Don't know if homosexuality is genetic, or behavioral, so let's treat them equally.
Republican View: Homosexuality is a conscious choice, it is a sin, and it must be condemned.

God
Democrat View: Some people think there is a God, some people don't think there is a God, so it's best to have a secular society.
Republican View: Christianity is the one true religion. America is not a secular state, it must be based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Weed
Democrat View: If people want to take on whatever side effects are associated with marijuana use, it's their choice unless they are also hurting others.
Republican View: We have decided that marijuana is bad for you. You can't use it.

I only see one side arrogantly forcing it's views on others, and it isn't the liberals.

LOL - sure. Every Democratic campaign ad I see is them basically stating that they to legalize gay marriage, to keep religion out of politics, and to decriminalize pot. :laugh:

What fvcked up world are you living in where you believe politicians of the two Major parties campaign based on anything other than what polls make them think will get people to vote for them?

Your best bet is to look towards the Libertarian party for those stated "Democratic" agendas.

Yep. Who are the sheep? You all are because you are arguing about these ultimately pointless social issues instead of the real functions of government. Misdirection.

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
LOL - sure. Every Democratic campaign ad I see is them basically stating that they to legalize gay marriage, to keep religion out of politics, and to decriminalize pot. :laugh:

What fvcked up world are you living in where you believe politicians of the two Major parties campaign based on anything other than what polls make them think will get people to vote for them?

Your best bet is to look towards the Libertarian party for those stated "Democratic" agendas.

Fine, change it to Libertarian. The views would still be labeled as "liberal" by any Republican, and it doesn't change the point of the post.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: Horus
Ok. Here's my opinion on the "issues" the OP listed

Smoking Pot: Should be regulated like alcohol. No smoking when driving. But it's not the massive issue people make it out to be.

God: Who am I to say he is or is not real? I don't believe in him, that's all. But that's just how I was raised. (Mom was Catholic, took me through all the confirmation and stuff- Dad's an Atheist, and an Engineer, so I got both viewpoints)

Gay: If you're gay, whatever. If you're straight, whatever. I don't care. Neither should anyone else.

Bush: Well, he's OBVIOUSLY an idiot. But he doesn't cause all the problems of the world. A few, sure. But not all.

This is all I was after. Just give me reasons you believe what you believe.

 

[moshquerade]

it's the school of popular thought so impressionable people subscribe to it and make it more popular.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
What has brought 98% of ATOT to the way they feel. Is the youth of today so bent on being against authority?

I could go on and on, but these few topics are enough.

Smoking pot's a waste of time and money.

God's not real.

Being gay is sorta like eating lobster - while it's personally repulsive, I've got no right to tell others they can't do it with other consenting lobste....err... people.

George Bush is an idiot. He's caused lots of problems. He's not the only politician in the country, however, so he can't take the blame all by himself.

 

[BAMAVOO]

:lips:

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Fausto
You forgot: "BAMAVOO is, and always has been, a trolling moron."

:thumbsup:

Yeah for you. Show me some examples of your non trolling posts or better yet of my trolling.


Thanks for stopping by though.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Horus
Ok. Here's my opinion on the "issues" the OP listed

Smoking Pot: Should be regulated like alcohol. No smoking when driving. But it's not the massive issue people make it out to be.

God: Who am I to say he is or is not real? I don't believe in him, that's all. But that's just how I was raised. (Mom was Catholic, took me through all the confirmation and stuff- Dad's an Atheist, and an Engineer, so I got both viewpoints)

Gay: If you're gay, whatever. If you're straight, whatever. I don't care. Neither should anyone else.

Bush: Well, he's OBVIOUSLY an idiot. But he doesn't cause all the problems of the world. A few, sure. But not all.

This is all I was after. Just give me reasons you believe what you believe.

Most of us here believe in the utmost importance of individual freedom. Allowing people #1-3 is utterly crucial to that. #4 is a matter of opinion, and while there are plenty of irrational bush bashers around, there are plenty who support him and plenty who agree or disagree on a case by case basis.


:roll:

Done trolling now?

 

[Red Dawn]

Smoking dope is a waste, if there is a God I doubt he's anything like you imagine, gays are part of society, the sooner we learn to live with it the better and Bush is not the cause of all problems but he sure is one incomptent President.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: aswedc
Fine, change it to Libertarian. The views would still be labeled as "liberal" by any Republican, and it doesn't change the point of the post.

that's because those views are liberal. unfortunately, the democrats are not. the democrats are just as authoritarian as the republicans. only, they want to take law-abiding citizens guns away, create an underclass beholden to democrats for their livelihoods, tax tax and more tax (the power to tax involves the power to destroy), tell strippers they can't dance, tell smokers they can't smoke, tell SUV drivers they can't drive, put extra taxes on oil companies and walmart merely because they're successful and popular targets, and shout down anyone they don't agree with (so much for open-mindedness).

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's the school of popular thought so impressionable people subscribe to it and make it more popular.

If we let gays marry the FAMILY will be destroyed! Your marriage will become MEANINGLESS! Soon, our kids will turn GAY because of all the homosexual propaganda! Won't someone please think of the CHILDREN?

Hmm, who is impressionable...

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's the school of popular thought so impressionable people subscribe to it and make it more popular.

I find your thoughts popular and wish to subscribe to them.