Smoking hot: Mirage Omni S12 Home Powered Sub

[NuKe9]

I bit, lets see how this compares to the KSW-12.

 

[cmv]

Are there 399.88 reasons why the OP couldn't put the price in the title 🙂.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: ncage

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's a sub for you, costs a bit more and you have to assemble it, but they are high quality and have gotten good review. The Mirage sub has ports, which will ruin the transient response and the woofer will become unloaded below the port resonance, possibly damaging the woofer on ultra low freq notes.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdet...?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-762&ctab=1#Tabs
$536.70 with free shipping (it weighs 72 pounds).
Here's a link to the woofer, which I imagine is much more robust than the mirage, with it's 500w rms capacity, and it's 18.7 mm xmax (linear woofer travel)
and it weighs 20 pounds.
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdet...?&DID=7&Partnumber=295-404&ctab=2#Tabs

If you want tight, clean bass, you want a SEALED BOX along with a LOT of power.

So your telling everyone ported enclosures are flawed? I absoluty disagree with you. Sure poorly designed ported enclosures will sound bad but not well designed ones. Go look at the reviews and see if anything damages this woofer at low frequency notes. Go look at high end subwoofers almost all of them are ported. Go look at high end subwoofers and see how many are sealed...very few. Regarded as some of the best subs: SVS, HSU, Velodyn pretty much use ported designs on all their subs. Just as long as you design the sub correctly there won't be any problem. I am not saying NO good subs use sealed design because the Paradigm Servo-15 would be an good example. If i was going to spend around $600 on a sub i would be getting the SVS PB12-ISD. I would never go with something from parts express for around the same price.

It still floors me that you say the port could ruin the low fequency extension.....have you read the reviews at all that i posted?

Wrong, most high-end subwoofers are SEALED not PORTED. I never said ported boxes sound bad, its just that they don't sound as tight and detailed as a sealed box.
But don't take my word for it, do some internet research and you will find out.
The transient response of a sealed box is better.

"All M&K Subwoofers (and Satellites) are sealed-box designs, tightly
packed with highly efficient sound absorbing material. This configuration
delivers the best transient response, and is the only design capable
of producing true Deep Bass.
http://ubb.outlawaudio.com/cgi-local/ub...bb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=000092;p=0

Krell master reference subwoofer $28,000-sealed box
http://www.krellonline.com/html/m_MRS_p_MRS_spec.html

Velodyne sealed-servo.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: ncage

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's a sub for you, costs a bit more and you have to assemble it, but they are high quality and have gotten good review. The Mirage sub has ports, which will ruin the transient response and the woofer will become unloaded below the port resonance, possibly damaging the woofer on ultra low freq notes.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdet...?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-762&ctab=1#Tabs
$536.70 with free shipping (it weighs 72 pounds).
Here's a link to the woofer, which I imagine is much more robust than the mirage, with it's 500w rms capacity, and it's 18.7 mm xmax (linear woofer travel)
and it weighs 20 pounds.
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdet...?&DID=7&Partnumber=295-404&ctab=2#Tabs

If you want tight, clean bass, you want a SEALED BOX along with a LOT of power.

So your telling everyone ported enclosures are flawed? I absoluty disagree with you. Sure poorly designed ported enclosures will sound bad but not well designed ones. Go look at the reviews and see if anything damages this woofer at low frequency notes. Go look at high end subwoofers almost all of them are ported. Go look at high end subwoofers and see how many are sealed...very few. Regarded as some of the best subs: SVS, HSU, Velodyn pretty much use ported designs on all their subs. Just as long as you design the sub correctly there won't be any problem. I am not saying NO good subs use sealed design because the Paradigm Servo-15 would be an good example. If i was going to spend around $600 on a sub i would be getting the SVS PB12-ISD. I would never go with something from parts express for around the same price.

It still floors me that you say the port could ruin the low fequency extension.....have you read the reviews at all that i posted?

That is unless you were going to build a subwoofer....because then for $600 you could beat the sh!t out of <$1000 pre-built subs.


Edit: And uh, I agree with the above poster. IMO, the reason so many subs are ported is to simply get more out of the driver/amp combo. However, if one has money or some diy skills, then it is hard to compete with a TON of power and two or more 15" sealed configs.

 

[ericlp]

Here are few more you can add that arn't highly expensive subs that are sealed....

Audio Concepts

If I had an unlimited budget this would already be in my living room! 🙂 You can't get much better then ACI.

Sunfire

I've always wanted to review one of these "SMALL" subs... 🙂

But, again this is off topic. This really isn't a debate but for hot deals, altho, you can get a good deal on this sub if you watch and wait.

Then again, since the hot deal is a ported sub I see nothing wrong with ported sub as the one I have now is ported... Somthing more to learn I suppose...

 

[Venomous]

Ive got two of the sunfires in my main HT.. They are nasty little monsters.. I do have the energy version of the sub in this thread for my bedroom and it thumps pretty hard. The AVERAGE joe isnt going to notice the difference between the SVS and This.. Besides, this sub has a cool blue LED that lights up, lol.

 

[carlwu]

Marincounty has it totally right. Even his partexpress rec is on the mark. I have two Hsu Research ported subs and in due course, both drivers blew. I have a feeling that without a subsonic filter, the energy below port freq is quite damaging. My Velodyne sealed sub is better in every way. I now use the Hsu (after driver replacement) for just LFE channel duties (with subsonic filter).

 

[ruckdaddy]

Lock

 

[AdamsJabbar]

Originally posted by: ruckdaddy
Lock

Thanks...have anything useful to add to the discussion?

:disgust:

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: marincounty
Wrong, most high-end subwoofers are SEALED not PORTED. I never said ported boxes sound bad, its just that they don't sound as tight and detailed as a sealed box.
But don't take my word for it, do some internet research and you will find out.
The transient response of a sealed box is better.

"All M&K Subwoofers (and Satellites) are sealed-box designs, tightly
packed with highly efficient sound absorbing material. This configuration
delivers the best transient response, and is the only design capable
of producing true Deep Bass.
http://ubb.outlawaudio.com/cgi-local/ub...bb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=000092;p=0

Actually, most high end boxes are still ported. There are select ones that are sealed, but most? I doubt it.

The funny thing about the M&K statement: Sealed does not produce "true Deep Bass". Apples to apples, ported or passive radiator equipped subs will produce deeper bass than sealed.

 

[ruckdaddy]

Originally posted by: AdamsJabbar

Originally posted by: ruckdaddy
Lock

Thanks...have anything useful to add to the discussion?

:disgust:

Uh... yes. Quite a bit actually, as illustrated by my several lengthy posts in this once-relevant but now highly deviant thread. The 'discussion' is no longer about, in fact now it is far from being about, a hot deal on the Mirage Omni S12 and therefore it should be moved or locked.

If you had bothered to browse the thread instead of ignorantly and prematurely call me out, you'd have realized all this, and not looked so stupid.

:disgust: ^ 9

 

[NuKe9]

Shows OOS now. Those went fast, for a big $$$ item. They had over 30 at one point. I should be getting mine 3/22, i'll report back how it compares to my Klipsch (KSW-12).

 

[lozina]

Cool. I pre-ordered one at the same price. My new home theatre area is not quite ready anyway so I can wait.

Any suggestions on what other speakers I should get with this to complete my home theatre system?

So far only got a sub and a 45" sharp LCD tv

 

[ruckdaddy]

Originally posted by: lozina
Cool. I pre-ordered one at the same price. My new home theatre area is not quite ready anyway so I can wait.

Any suggestions on what other speakers I should get with this to complete my home theatre system?

So far only got a sub and a 45" sharp LCD tv

Martin Logans :wink;😛

Well it is going to depend on your budget and the sonic signature of whatever receiver or amp you decide to run. Since you bought the Omni sub why not have a look at the rest of the Omni lineup (although diffuse sound is not for everyone).

 

[mikeford]

Bass is just physics, when the driver is designed they make a choice in the parameters between ported or sealed box. Either way high level signals below the intended operating range can cause damage, but I have to wonder what must have been done to blow a pair of Hsu subs.

Very very few people will find the Dayton $200 when its on sale subs inadequate for HT or music.

My own reference audiophile system uses a KLH12 I picked up for $69 in a costco outlet, regularly $99.

 

[ncage]

Originally posted by: lozina
Cool. I pre-ordered one at the same price. My new home theatre area is not quite ready anyway so I can wait.

Any suggestions on what other speakers I should get with this to complete my home theatre system?

So far only got a sub and a 45" sharp LCD tv

For a descent price...one of the more high rated speakers is here: www.ascendacoustics.com.

 

[ruckdaddy]

the ascends are 4 ohms nominal so while they might sound good given the right setup, you have to ask what the amp is first and go from there.

 

[NuKe9]

I got mine yesterday, didn't have alot of time to demo it though. It's a really nice looking sub, good for the old WAF. From what I did hear, it's a BIG improvement over the Klipsch. I now know what clean, low bass sounds like!

 

[mikeford]

Clean low bass doesn't sound like anything, the room just shakes etc.

 

[NuKe9]

Originally posted by: mikeford
Clean low bass doesn't sound like anything, the room just shakes etc.

Sound, feel, I think you guys get the point. I was not getting that before...

 

[TecJunkie]

gone

 

[NuKe9]

This baby is back in stock! I bought this one back in March and I have been more than impressed. After trying 3 other subs, I've finally found nirvana 😀. It does very well with music AND will kick your ass in the LFE department.

I highly recommend this sub.

Looks like they have more than 99 in stock ATM.

 

[gregtor]

I bought this sub back in march as well and I only use it for HT LFE and its great, shakes the room with it just turned up half way. I'm to scared to turn it up more.